6 hours ago, Biophysical said:

He flew BB8 Poe. Understandable confusion.

My one-off anecdotal evidence proves it was correct!

5 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

But... that's not actually true.

Expected damage from 3 focused attack dice vs 3 green dice with an evade token: 0.494 (with a stealth device for 4 dice: 0.348)

Expected damage from 3 focused attack dice vs 3 green dice with a force charge and Brilliant Evasion: 0.644 (with a stealth device for 4 dice: 0.362)

Now, you went for something other than an evade, you'd have a focus token or a lock or have done a movement action instead. There'd be some other source of value like dodging an arc or hitting harder on offense. But if we're looking only at the effect on your green dice, purple evade is not that bad.

It'll also depend on the number of incoming attacks. Once you have multiple attacks coming in, it'll often be better to have a focus/force than evade/no force, but against a single attack...

screw math wing, never tell me the odds on top.

1 hour ago, skotothalamos said:

Solved it just need the ability to drop 22 Jam tokens a turn and never let them clear

Lieutenant Sai (47)
Jamming Beam (0)
ISB Slicer (3)
Freelance Slicer (3)
ST-321 (4)

Omicron Group Pilot (43)
Jamming Beam (0)
ISB Slicer (3)

Omicron Group Pilot (43)
Jamming Beam (0)
ISB Slicer (3)

Omicron Group Pilot (43)
Jamming Beam (0)
ISB Slicer (3)

Total: 195

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Begun, the fruit spread wars have.

16 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:

I’m going to casually point out Brillant Evasion is not faction/force user alignment locked, and is strictly better than a single purple evade token. Slap a stealth device on Vader and laugh as opponents attempt to hit you.

That's uhh... Well, basically you're arguing you don't need an evade because you have heroic.

16 hours ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

Thanks for the episode reminder to actually ******* register. All set to go with my dumpster fire team.

Hype!

9 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:

screw math wing, never tell me the odds on top.

Nevermind they beat me to it 😛

Zack got cut off when trying to talk about when to Lando on the last cast. If Leia is already in the list, which she probably is if you’re running Rebel version of Boba/Fenn/Escape Craft. Then you Lando when you want the Evade. It’s the cheapest way to get an evade on the Falcon in Hyperspace. If you end up with a focus too, great.

Its time to discuss First Order.

• Probably:
  • Tripsilon
  • Tavson + Kylo
• Maybe:
  • Kylo + Quickdraw + Midnight/Malarus
  • Tavson + Kylo + Quickdraw
  • Tavson + Kylo + Midnight
  • Tavson + 2x Test Pilot Silencers
  • Tavson + Blackout + Quickdraw
• No Idea:
  • 2x Upsilon + Ace or 2 Ships
  • Tavson + Generic FOs & SFs
  • 5 FO most with Fanatical Optics ( Midnight, Malarus, Scorch, Longshot, Epsilon )
  • Quickdraw + 2x Test Pilot Silencers
  • Kylo + Midnight + Malarus
  • Unidentified Mixed SF & FO List

So far I have tested Kylo/Tavson quite a bit. Definitely ok. Tripsilon is a known quantity, lots of people are already actively "solving" it in list building. Joust and trade play to time.

Besides those two what else do you think works for FO and can get through the Tripsilon Hyperspace Bouncer?

31 minutes ago, Quack Shot said:

Zack got cut off when trying to talk about when to Lando on the last cast. If Leia is already in the list, which she probably is if you’re running Rebel version of Boba/Fenn/Escape Craft. Then you Lando when you want the Evade. It’s the cheapest way to get an evade on the Falcon in Hyperspace. If you end up with a focus too, great.

Yep, got lost in the madness.

That being said, I don't think having your falcon evade is very useful now, especially on Han. It's extremely likely you just roll into an evade, and actually over iterated range 3 shots a focus might be straight better.

8 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Its time to discuss First Order.

• Probably:
  • Tripsilon
  • Tavson + Kylo
• Maybe:
  • Kylo + Quickdraw + Midnight/Malarus
  • Tavson + Kylo + Quickdraw
  • Tavson + Kylo + Midnight
  • Tavson + 2x Test Pilot Silencers
  • Tavson + Blackout + Quickdraw
• No Idea:
  • 2x Upsilon + Ace or 2 Ships
  • Tavson + Generic FOs & SFs
  • 5 FO most with Fanatical Optics ( Midnight, Malarus, Scorch, Longshot, Epsilon )
  • Quickdraw + 2x Test Pilot Silencers
  • Kylo + Midnight + Malarus
  • Unidentified Mixed SF & FO List

So far I have tested Kylo/Tavson quite a bit. Definitely ok. Tripsilon is a known quantity, lots of people are already actively "solving" it in list building. Joust and trade play to time.

Besides those two what else do you think works for FO and can get through the Tripsilon Hyperspace Bouncer?

I've been wanting to try something like this... https://raithos.github.io/?f=First Order&d=v5!h!289:-1,-1,-1,183,-1,-1,-1,-1:;288:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:;243:181,-1,-1,182,111,165:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

I'm pretty sure if you are running First Order and not using Scorch, you are doing it wrong. Unless it's a combo list like 3up, Scorch fits in pretty easily. 35 points (or 41 with Fanatic Optics) for a 4/3/3/3/1 statline? Sign me up!

Backdraft, Quickdraw, and Midnight are all effective ships that aren't too pricey. I haven't tried Silencers since the points change, myself.

6 minutes ago, pheaver said:

I'm pretty sure if you are running First Order and not using Scorch, you are doing it wrong. Unless it's a combo list like 3up, Scorch fits in pretty easily. 35 points (or 41 with Fanatic Optics) for a 4/3/3/3/1 statline? Sign me up!

Backdraft, Quickdraw, and Midnight are all effective ships that aren't too pricey. I haven't tried Silencers since the points change, myself.

something like this? You can drop tavson to a SBP and have 9pts to play around with.

https://raithos.github.io/?f=First Order&d=v5!h!289:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:;243:181,-1,-1,182,-1,-1:;262:-1,-1,-1:;242:181,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

9 minutes ago, pheaver said:

I'm pretty sure if you are running First Order and not using Scorch, you are doing it wrong. Unless it's a combo list like 3up, Scorch fits in pretty easily. 35 points (or 41 with Fanatic Optics) for a 4/3/3/3/1 statline? Sign me up!

Backdraft, Quickdraw, and Midnight are all effective ships that aren't too pricey. I haven't tried Silencers since the points change, myself.

I'm planning to run this Saturday at a D'qar event:

D'qar Evac list (193)
Kylo Ren — TIE/vn Silencer	76
Supernatural Reflexes	24
Primed Thrusters	9
Homing Missiles	5
Ship Total: 114
Half Points: 57 Threshold: 3
 	
“Scorch” — TIE/FO Fighter	35
Fanatical	2
Advanced Optics	4
Ship Total: 41
Half Points: 21 Threshold: 2
 	
“Muse” — TIE/FO Fighter	32
Fanatical	2
Advanced Optics	4
Ship Total: 38
Half Points: 19 Threshold: 2

2 minutes ago, hawk32 said:

something like this? You can drop tavson to a SBP and have 9pts to play around with.

https://raithos.github.io/?f=First Order&d=v5!h!289:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:;243:181,-1,-1,182,-1,-1:;262:-1,-1,-1:;242:181,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

Before the points change, I ran a very similar list to a lot of success, using fanatical midnight instead of backdraft, and squad leader null in the place of scorch. Now will null pretty much useless, I'm thinking of switching him out for scorch. Points are the same.

20 minutes ago, Brunas said:

That being said, I don't think having your falcon evade is very useful now, especially on Han. It's extremely likely you just roll into an evade, and actually over iterated range 3 shots a focus might be straight better.

Anecdotal as ****, but I can speak to the frustration of getting full hit/crits on Han at range 3 through a rock and doing no damage because they had two evades and re-rolled 14,687 times to get the third evade. It might have been less than 14,687 re-rolls. Like...just keep rolling until you get one.

Oh, and yeah, he did nothing in return. But, ****, can he hard to burn down if you let him get to the end game.

6 minutes ago, impspy said:

I'm planning to run this Saturday at a D'qar event:

D'qar Evac list (193)
Kylo Ren — TIE/vn Silencer	76
Supernatural Reflexes	24
Primed Thrusters	9
Homing Missiles	5
Ship Total: 114
Half Points: 57 Threshold: 3
 	
“Scorch” — TIE/FO Fighter	35
Fanatical	2
Advanced Optics	4
Ship Total: 41
Half Points: 21 Threshold: 2
 	
“Muse” — TIE/FO Fighter	32
Fanatical	2
Advanced Optics	4
Ship Total: 38
Half Points: 19 Threshold: 2

You have Kylo? MOAR BID!

Tac or lando on U-Wing:

29 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

So far I have tested Kylo/Tavson quite a bit. Definitely ok. Tripsilon is a known quantity, lots of people are already actively "solving" it in list building. Joust and trade play to time.

Isn't Kylo/Tavson doing the same thing? I don't think I'm any more of a fan of that than I am of triple Ups. It feels bad, too, except instead of losing the game quickly and going to get lunch, I have to sit there for 75 minutes while the Kylo player giggles and teleports around the board.

4 minutes ago, gennataos said:

You have Kylo? MOAR BID!

7 points at D'qar is fine imo cause I don't think anyone else in my area is playing Kylo and the only other I5 is Tallie.

Just now, impspy said:

7 points at D'qar is fine imo cause I don't think anyone else in my area is playing Kylo and the only other I5 is Tallie.

Oh yeah, never mind.

13 minutes ago, gennataos said:

 Isn't Kylo/Tavson doing the same thing? I don't think I'm any more of a fan of that than I am of triple Ups. It feels bad, too, except instead of losing the game quickly and going to get lunch, I have to sit there for 75 minutes while the Kylo player giggles and teleports around the board.

Yea sure im not even thinking about how any of this FO stuff feels to play against.

Just interested in power levels.

Kylo/Tavson and Tripsilon are the best I have used so far.

After that its less clear whats good.

42 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Its time to discuss First Order.

• Probably:
  • Tripsilon
  • Tavson + Kylo
• Maybe:
  • Kylo + Quickdraw + Midnight/Malarus
  • Tavson + Kylo + Quickdraw
  • Tavson + Kylo + Midnight
  • Tavson + 2x Test Pilot Silencers
  • Tavson + Blackout + Quickdraw
• No Idea:
  • 2x Upsilon + Ace or 2 Ships
  • Tavson + Generic FOs & SFs
  • 5 FO most with Fanatical Optics ( Midnight, Malarus, Scorch, Longshot, Epsilon )
  • Quickdraw + 2x Test Pilot Silencers
  • Kylo + Midnight + Malarus
  • Unidentified Mixed SF & FO List

So far I have tested Kylo/Tavson quite a bit. Definitely ok. Tripsilon is a known quantity, lots of people are already actively "solving" it in list building. Joust and trade play to time.

Besides those two what else do you think works for FO and can get through the Tripsilon Hyperspace Bouncer?

Fanatical Optic Silencers are crazy good at pumping damage, be they the generic or Blackout (yeah, Kylo with optics can do the same but he always wants to be different from the rest of the gang, making it awkward to work right). Although any Upsilon offers good area control, Tavson is a good choice for the support craft, looming around with this threatening pseudo-torpedo and its mods from the Quickdraw "no u" effect. However, Dormitz and Hyperspace tracking data allow for a turn 1 alpha in which your silencers can be TIE Defenders in their tankiness (and they can also get behind UUU rather early with the double Dormitz shenanigans)! And a basic Starkiller Base Pilot can carry Snoke, who is very effective with 2 Silencers. I think Tavson might be the best setup, but there are options.

I feel these variations offer something very interesting

You can switch things around a little but muse helps tavson keep arc and much better, since he can do a red move and still threaten his ability with muse removing the stress

plus quickdraw raw has this akward position of wanting to target lock for fcs but also have a defensive action so you don’t lose all 3 shields in one shot, so I’m giving elusive a try even though in most cases it’s overcosted and maybe fanatical is better but it’s worth a shot. Plus pattern analyzer works amazing with it.

I also noticed that Scorch has a k turn problem and sometimes it’s nice to get distance since this squad can get jumbled up fairly easy, so I am thinking about backdraft instead of scorch. Also the 6 hp really helps makes sure he doesn’t go down in 1 round like scorch can if someone gets more then 1 shot on him(green dice problems) and backdraft makes the flying of the list more interesting.

15 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Tac or lando on U-Wing:

×

5 ship rebel (199)

Partisan Renegade — UT-60D U-Wing	43
Leia Organa	2
Tactical Officer	2
Pivot Wing	0
Ship Total: 47
Half Points: 24 Threshold: 4
Blue Squadron Escort — T-65 X-Wing	41
Servomotor S-foils	0
Ship Total: 41
Half Points: 21 Threshold: 3
Blue Squadron Escort — T-65 X-Wing	41
Servomotor S-foils	0
Ship Total: 41
Half Points: 21 Threshold: 3
Gray Squadron Bomber — BTL-A4 Y-Wing	31
Ion Cannon Turret	4
Ship Total: 35
Half Points: 18 Threshold: 4
Gray Squadron Bomber — BTL-A4 Y-Wing	31
Ion Cannon Turret	4
Ship Total: 35
Half Points: 18 Threshold: 4

So I ran something similar this week in my league games. XXXYU - all lowest generics, all naked except for Leia and flippy cards. It worked pretty well.

In your setup... I would say Lando. I never coordinated with my U, mostly because I would rather my U have a focus or lock for his own shots. If you want a tankier U-Wing Lando isn't a bad choice.

57 minutes ago, pheaver said:

I'm pretty sure if you are running First Order and not using Scorch, you are doing it wrong. Unless it's a combo list like 3up, Scorch fits in pretty easily. 35 points (or 41 with Fanatic Optics) for a 4/3/3/3/1 statline? Sign me up!

 Backdraft, Quickdraw, and Midnight are all effective ships that aren't too pricey. I haven't tried Silencers since the points change, myself.

Fanatical Optics is a known good. Throwing a hull upgrade on these FOs gets you a 4/3/3/4/1 statline for below 50 pts. Doesnt need all that of course but its solid.

1 hour ago, pheaver said:

I'm pretty sure if you are running First Order and not using Scorch, you are doing it wrong. Unless it's a combo list like 3up, Scorch fits in pretty easily. 35 points (or 41 with Fanatic Optics) for a 4/3/3/3/1 statline? Sign me up!

Backdraft, Quickdraw, and Midnight are all effective ships that aren't too pricey. I haven't tried Silencers since the points change, myself.

Tavson/Scorch/QD/Backdraft fits will with 3 fanaticals and 1 gunner on QD.

1 hour ago, hawk32 said:

something like this? You can drop tavson to a SBP and have 9pts to play around with.

https://raithos.github.io/?f=First Order&d=v5!h!289:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:;243:181,-1,-1,182,-1,-1:;262:-1,-1,-1:;242:181,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

1 minute ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

Tavson/Scorch/QD/Backdraft fits will with 3 fanaticals and 1 gunner on QD.