31 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

What are sleepers that were just woken up?

• Leia at 2points, Lando at 2, or a cheaper Tarkin at 6,7th sister at 9, Palpatine at 11, 5th brother at 9. Are these now ok or even good?
• Rebel YT1300 got massive reductions, they look very good now.
• I'm looking so forward to composure +outmaneuver or lonewolf jake at 43 or 42 points!And greensquadrons with prockets are 39. Hmmmm, 4 of those with Jake might be something.
• Bwings might be worth another look, previously they felt as if they are almost useful. Not with the 10pt squad leader now, but some other build.
• I don't care about Y-wings, K-wings or the VCX. Also not about the Gunboat, or TIE x1/v1 and Defenders. Don't know why, but at the moment... eh, 2 points down does not change what I previously saw as not good enough. For example, 7th Sister + FCS for 48 is still I4...
• Could afterburner vader be someting for 71? Right now he's 70...
  • 5 Tempests+FCS are probably playable. But here the point applies that I had made in Krunch's thread on generics: who will buy 5 advanceds and put in the time and effort without knowing whether that's worth it?!

Fettigator is still priced competitively at 93 (Slave 1 + Seasoned Navigator). He's just better SNR, and you can fit a decent amount in both HS and extended.

Well I just won my store champ on sunday with XUAB rebel list, and now that list got 4 more points... Rebels wasn't as bad as general opinion was, and now they get huge point boost. Soo many options for rebels now, trying on 4x5 skill ships list.

29 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

What are sleepers that were just woken up?

• Leia at 2points, Lando at 2, or a cheaper Tarkin at 6,7th sister at 9, Palpatine at 11, 5th brother at 9. Are these now ok or even good?

all of these look promising, I'm scared by Palpatine because 1.0 PTSD and Lando isn't my gimmick but all seem playable in the right list

29 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

• Rebel YT1300 got massive reductions, they look very good now.

It's likely to be the best rebel ship in Hyperspace now, probably even in Extended. Han was already almost there, he loses SupNat luke as a wingman thought, but Wedge (or even Corran now!). Maybe even in a 3 ships build?

29 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

• Bwings might be worth another look, previously they felt as if they are almost useful. Not with the 10pt squad leader now, but some other build.

I've already said that: b-wings are the best generic ship available to the rebels. Paul Heaver doesn't agree, but considering what Blair Bunke brought at Phoenix, the swarm master does.

29 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

• I don't care about Y-wings, K-wings or the VCX. Also not about the Gunboat, or TIE x1/v1 and Defenders. Don't know why, but at the moment... eh, 2 points down does not change what I previously saw as not good enough. For example, 7th Sister + FCS for 48 is still I4...

Barrage at 7 isn't helping K-wings, the VCX might still be overcosted but let's see

7 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

It's likely to be the best rebel ship in Hyperspace now, probably even in Extended. Han was already almost there, he loses SupNat luke as a wingman thought, but Wedge (or even Corran now!). Maybe even in a 3 ships build?

Han went about 10 pts down, SNR luke went about 10 pts up. Coupled with decreases to rebel crew and large base ship discounts (e.g. EU), it'll be as viable as it was before.

2 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Han went about 10 pts down, SNR luke went about 10 pts up. Coupled with decreases to rebel crew and large base ship discounts (e.g. EU), it'll be as viable as it was before.

Before it wasn't that viable thought...

He wasn't bad mind you, but neither that good...

49 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

5 Tempests+FCS are probably playable. But here the point applies that I had made in Krunch's thread on generics: who will buy 5 advanceds and put in the time and effort without knowing whether that's worth it?!

Four Tempests + FCS ... and Howlrunner? (I own four TIE Advanceds ... er, TIEs Advanced ... er ... )

1 minute ago, Jeff Wilder said:

I own four TIE Advanceds ... er, TIEs Advanced ... er ...

hahaha, yes, it felt so wrong!

2 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Four Tempests + FCS ... and Howlrunner?

I don't know, feels redundant with the FCS. And they really want to lock for the additional die. The additional bonus of a second die reroll is not great. First. Second. Just +0.25 expected damage, and -13% for bad rolls (0 and 1 hits).

I was 90% kidding. But Howlrunner would be a nice Biggs ...

What we need is a 2-point Accuracy Corrector. (Ahem.)

On 1/24/2019 at 3:36 PM, gennataos said:

I get what people are saying about getting in more reps, how their list isn't likely to be impacted, etc. But...we don't really know. We don't know if Boba and proton torps are gunna be gutted. We don't know if First Order and Resistance is going to go untouched. I feel, when facing stuff assumed to be impacted, while playing my own stuff assumed to not be impacted, my choices are informed a lot by that disparity. Then I wonder if that game really taught me anything.

You'll probably see it eventually in the awings thread, but I went through the games I had written about. I have information on 5 games that I had lost against, and they have an average point cost of 214. More interesting would be the difference because they were obviously not usually at 200 points... The 6th game had a now illegal list with Whisper Sloane. For the other three I don't have information. On the flip side, one went down to 185points with YT1300 Han and a Kwing. Poor guy. The ones I won have 202 on average now. The total average is 206 points.

As an Imperial player, there is pretty much nothing to love here. The overpriced stuff is still overpriced, and the fun stuff no longer works.

1 hour ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Four Tempests + FCS ... and Howlrunner? (I own four TIE Advanceds ... er, TIEs Advanced ... er ... )

I'm glad no one else knows what the plural of TIE Advanced is...

1 hour ago, HolySorcerer said:

As an Imperial player, there is pretty much nothing to love here. The overpriced stuff is still overpriced, and the fun stuff no longer works.

How cheap does Vader have to be for you to play him?

Harder question - Maarek?

Lando at 2pt is STUPID with rebel han. Holy crap. Two tokens for 2 pts. And no stress. IN.

1 hour ago, HolySorcerer said:

As an Imperial player, there is pretty much nothing to love here. The overpriced stuff is still overpriced, and the fun stuff no longer works.

You know they didn't increase Sloane's price, right?

5 minutes ago, DoubleDown11 said:

You know they didn't increase Sloane's price, right?

His favorite chariot for her now has a gunner seat instead.

8 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Harder question - Maarek?

Maarek is surprisingly good, I have a local player who played him for a while and he can bring serious punch: turns out choosing crits is good in 2.0

And he's another example of why I don't understand how FFG came up with points... In which world he can cost as much as the ini 1 t70 generic?

34 minutes ago, Brunas said:

I'm glad no one else knows what the plural of TIE Advanced is...

How cheap does Vader have to be for you to play him?

Harder question - Maarek?

I played Maarek, but it was tricky. Same Ved Folso. Could win plenty, and use them well, but it was always uphill.

I think they were borderline before, they really needed a support shuttle, but the update puts them firmly into usable to good, when paired with other updates.

Honestly, as an Empire primary player, I’m pretty pleased. Most of my lists are untouched, or net neutral in points. Some got significant upside (I can’t help but try and make unloved ships and crew work. Ved with a Jerrijord shuttle, maybe you’ll be good now with the 9 extra points in the list).

It also helps that I’m an inveterate list building hipster who runs far away from meta dominating lists. I literally never flew Redline except for one game when my opponent explicitly requested I fly the Squad of Legend as he prepped for Phoenix. So my favorites, Strikers, Reapers, Interceptors, Defenders, Lambdas all being untouched or dropped, and ships I keep trying to unlock like the X1, V1 and aforementioned Defenders all getting non trivial drops?

Sign me up!

The only thing that makes me sad is the Crew drop on the Phantom. Partly because there were a lot of fun alternate crew I used (Krennic and Jerrijord come to mind) But also mostly because the gunner options are so paltry. If there were more, and more interesting, gunner options? I’d be ok with it. But Fifth Brother or nothing is disappointing.

3 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

a cheaper Tarkin at 6

This was my first thought too. However:

• The only ship he natively works with is the Decimator which is cheaper than it used to be but still seems awkward, unless you pair him with Krennic which precludes pairing him up with Sloane or other better crew (or just taking him alone so that you can afford lots of other bodies to maximize value through lots of TLs)
• He works in the system phase, which is a bit of a mess; instead of a Jendon effect, you're forced into a weird pattern where your Tarkin-carrier closes into range the previous turn, gets a TL, and then doesn't spend it, so that hopefully next turn you have ships pointed at the intended target (who knows exactly what you're up to)

If he didn't require his carrier to have a TL, or if his ability went off at the start of activation, I think he'd be good (or more viable, at least). With neither of those being true, I don't think being cheaper helps him enough.

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

I'm glad no one else knows what the plural of TIE Advanced is...

How cheap does Vader have to be for you to play him?

Harder question - Maarek?

From my experience, you could price Vader in the negatives and give him SNR for free and some imperial players would complain he wasn't good.

3 hours ago, Brunas said:

How cheap does Vader have to be for you to play him?

Harder question - Maarek?

Well, seeing as they just upped his price to 97 points, I'll go with a **** of a lot less than that. I've flown Maarek a bit, but I'm still not sure a 4 point discount is enough to make him attractive, I will be trying him though.

Honestly, my favorite ships are stuff like the Defender, Gunboat, Phantoms, and Bombers. The Defender got a tiny discount, but they raised the prices on the upgrades that they use. The Gunboat got a tiny discount, but they raised the price on all the munitions that they used. The Phantom got a price hike as did Juke, and now that fourth Phantom I just bought doesn't fit any more. The Bombers got a price hike and they raised the price of all the munitions that they used.

3 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

His favorite chariot for her now has a gunner seat instead.

Never used Sloane, not a huge fan of swarm stuff. I was a fan of the Phantom having a slot for crew, its a shame that slot was completely removed with no compensation.

4 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

The Phantom got a price hike, and now that fourth Phantom I just bought doesn't fit any more.

Juke and Whisper got a hike (1 and 2 points respectively). The Imdaar dropped by a point and the other 2 didn't change except for the slot swap.

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

I'm glad no one else knows what the plural of TIE Advanced is...

x1s maybe?

Just now, Hiemfire said:

Juke and Whisper got a hike (1 and 2 points respectively). The Imdaar dropped by a point and the other 2 didn't change except for the slot swap.

Can't run 4 Juke Sigmas anymore, which makes me sad.

1 minute ago, HolySorcerer said:

Can't run 4 Juke Sigmas anymore, which makes me sad.

3.75 Juke Sigmas. One didn't get the Juke memo. You'll be fine.

17 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

ever used Sloane, not a huge fan of swarm stuff. I was a fan of the Phantom having a slot for crew, its a shame that slot was completely removed with no compensation.

Poor compensation is not no compensation.

If, in the next wave or three, there is a good, or even usable, gunner besides Fifth Brother? Might change your tune. As of now the problem is there was a variety of interesting to good crew, but that the replaced slot has only a single even usable unique option.

34 minutes ago, DoubleDown11 said:

This was my first thought too. However:

• The only ship he natively works with is the Decimator which is cheaper than it used to be but still seems awkward, unless you pair him with Krennic which precludes pairing him up with Sloane or other better crew (or just taking him alone so that you can afford lots of other bodies to maximize value through lots of TLs)
• He works in the system phase, which is a bit of a mess; instead of a Jendon effect, you're forced into a weird pattern where your Tarkin-carrier closes into range the previous turn, gets a TL, and then doesn't spend it, so that hopefully next turn you have ships pointed at the intended target (who knows exactly what you're up to)

If he didn't require his carrier to have a TL, or if his ability went off at the start of activation, I think he'd be good (or more viable, at least). With neither of those being true, I don't think being cheaper helps him enough.

Honestly I hate to say it, but this is most certainly true.

Ive dabbled with various Tarkin builds, and Price was certainly a factor. However that price was fine, except the timing problems you note. I was fine with Krennic and Tarkin together on a shuttle, it was kind of funny even. But the timing on the lock was restrictive to the point of being nearly unusable. It highly telegraphs the next turn.

Theres a way to use him, I’m sure, but it will not be easy. Perhaps a shuttle with Striker list…

Also my ‘Emperor’s Favorites’ list, with Vader, Maarek, and Jendon with ol’ Sheev himself? It dropped 19 points! I went 5-1 with it before getting distracted by the shinies. Might need to revisit that.

7 minutes ago, viedit said:

3.75 Juke Sigmas. One didn't get the Juke memo. You'll be fine.

4th could have crack, marks or ruthless. I think Crack or Marks would be the better of the three though.