3 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:Poe and three crack homing greens.
Huh, you're the first I see that suggests homing missiles. I don't know, all these lists look like they lack the punch, and they are still quite fragile. I had a game yesterday, and again Poe was gone after 2 turns of combat. The A-wings are of course surviving 2dice attacks better, and I know how long they can survive, but they barely dish out anything.
There have to be better squads around than XAAA.
1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:Huh, you're the first I see that suggests homing missiles. I don't know, all these lists look like they lack the punch, and they are still quite fragile. I had a game yesterday, and again Poe was gone after 2 turns of combat. The A-wings are of course surviving 2dice attacks better, and I know how long they can survive, but they barely dish out anything.
There have to be better squads around than XAAA.
If Poe has Targeting Sync it's more potent than you think.
Just now, Rytackle said:If Poe has Targeting Sync it's more potent than you think.
I guess I need to play against a Poe that doesn't die immediately...
1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:I guess I need to play against a Poe that doesn't die immediately...
1 minute ago, Rytackle said:If Poe has Targeting Sync it's more potent than you think.
Targeting Sync with low initiative homing guys are one the things on my to try list.
4 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:I guess I need to play against a Poe that doesn't die immediately...
What are you flying that reliably catches and kills Poe in 2 turns but doesn't get punished for it?
1 minute ago, Ablazoned said:What are you flying that reliably catches and kills Poe in 2 turns but doesn't get punished for it?
5 A-wings of course 😎
1 minute ago, Ablazoned said:What are you flying that reliably catches and kills Poe in 2 turns but doesn't get punished for it?
I think no one is forcing him to "catch" poe, is the point.
I'm so looking forward to the next tournaments. I mean, it can't really be good. But so far it works so well that I slowly start to believe in it.
The reason I don't see XAAA is I got 3 of them too, but mine are simply better? That's what it feels like. It must be wrong though.
And 2 A-wings are like Poe. I'll gladly trade, but mine are 8HP behind 2x3 agility with focus each, Poe is 7HP behind 2 agility. Obviously he has to arcdodge, but the more ships the harder that gets. Every turn 3 shots means every turn 3-5 damage. Sure I didn't give Poe a focus here. But I also don't get why people keep using his focus on offense after not dodging all arcs.
3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:Every turn 3 shots means every turn 3-5 damage.
I think you're being wildly optimistic. More representative here of my first engagements the two times I faced massed a-wings with Poe. I may be too optimistic for my side, but a couple dozen games in with Poe he simply doesn't get caught by swarms early on.
Just now, Ablazoned said:I think you're being wildly optimistic. More representative here of my first engagements the two times I faced massed a-wings with Poe. I may be too optimistic for my side, but a couple dozen games in with Poe he simply doesn't get caught by swarms early on unless he wants to.
Just now, Ablazoned said:I think you're being wildly optimistic. More representative here of my first engagements the two times I faced massed a-wings with Poe. I may be too optimistic for my side, but a couple dozen games in with Poe he simply doesn't get caught by swarms early on.
Yes, but that's the thing: No lonewolf (why? trickshot! everyone loves trickshot now) and, as mentioned, they always keep using the focus for the attack. I don't get why.
34 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:Yes, but that's the thing: No lonewolf (why? trickshot! everyone loves trickshot now) and, as mentioned, they always keep using the focus for the attack. I don't get why.
Kevin hammered the 1. by calling Ryan bad on Nova for using heroic instead of trickshot and people haven't figured out that he's wrong yet?
1 minute ago, jagsba said:Kevin hammered the 1. by calling Ryan bad on Nova for using heroic instead of trickshot and people haven't figured out that he's wrong yet?
I'm not saying it's wrong for Kevin. But it looks to be wrong for people who fly into my killboxes.
4 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:I'm not saying it's wrong for Kevin. But it looks to be wrong for people who fly into my killboxes.
Is lonewolf going to save them in your killboxes?
(maybe they shouldn't be in killboxes with black one poe)
7 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:I'm not saying it's wrong for Kevin. But it looks to be wrong for people who fly into my killboxes.
His Poe is bb8, trickshot, hlc, etc. It's pretty drastically different from the default poe. He might be getting it to work but I don't have faith in the common man to get it to work. Heck, I don't have faith in the common man to get Poe to work (i.e. don't joust with him) at all.
My real money's on LW being 3 pts more expensive and they NEED that bid to move after kylo, that or its easier to fly him in formation and LW doesn't work there.
6 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:Is lonewolf going to save them in your killboxes?
(maybe they shouldn't be in killboxes with black one poe)
If you look at the other posted link to the calculator, it saves him on average around 1-2 shields, because he hopefully dodges at least some.
People who spend focus on attacks when they see how many shots are coming won't use blackone to abort a bad engagement, as far as my experience goes
7 minutes ago, jagsba said:His Poe is bb8, trickshot, hlc, etc. It's pretty drastically different from the default poe.
Is there a default Poe yet (or ever)? Three locals including me have flown him some and all of us have tried different loadouts (and I've tried three types not including minor variations).
1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:I guess I need to play against a Poe that doesn't die immediately...
I see a lot of posts about how, "Thing X isn't a problem because I kill it", but the context of how it's getting killed, the players, the lists, etc. is so very subjective.
1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:People who spend focus on attacks when they see how many shots are coming won't use blackone to abort a bad engagement, as far as my experience goes
Oh. Well, that paints a clearer picture of who you're facing.
4 minutes ago, gennataos said:I see a lot of posts about how, "Thing X isn't a problem because I kill it", but the context of how it's getting killed, the players, the lists, etc. is so very subjective.
Yes, I agree. But you can generalize that to: Poe's defense is largely dependent on his arcdodging. That means first, he has a harder time against more arcs. And second, he can only pull it off so many times. 2 BB charges, 1 Blackone. Apparently Kevin is never opening the sfoils, and he knows how to play it. But a Poe without BB can be blocked, and a Poe with BB can be forced to use the BB.
Another point, I remember the discussions about 1.0 Kylo where his weakness was identified as exactly the same: his defense is the arcdodging, and nothing more. Poe has even less agility and the arcdodging is on a timer. So I just don't see him being that good. Fun to play, yes, but relatively fragile for the points he carries around.
7 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:Is there a default Poe yet (or ever)? Three locals including me have flown him some and all of us have tried different loadouts (and I've tried three types not including minor variations).
Maybe default isn't the correct word. Canonical? Typical? Template? I like that. This is probably the "template" Poe. Most would probably add Proton Torps.
Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Total: 73
View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0
That is "Normal Strength" Poe. Extra strength Poe adds in Primed Thrusters and BB8. Maybe upgrade to LW while you are at it. 
Why are people still not putting Lone Wolf on Poe?
What am I missing? Bid need?
Just now, Boom Owl said:Why are people still not putting Lone Wolf on Poe?
What am I missing? Bid need?
for me it's bid need.
4 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:Why are people still not putting Lone Wolf on Poe?
What am I missing? Bid need?
I assumed it was because it was so easy to get double modded shots anyway.