6 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

- Adv optics on A-wings might be a waste of points in hindsight. It never proc'd for me for starters in 4 games, which was surprising. Either it was double focus, hit focus, single focus, double hit, or the odd double blank. I don't bother spending it on a double blank.

Just because you didn't use it that often in those specific games doesn't make it not worth it. The chances of getting 2 hits with just a focus is only 56% compared to the 81% with Adv Optics. That's a BIG difference. Whether it's worth spending the extra points on Heroic for the double blank coverage depends on what else you want to fit in your list. If you got a point leftover though, I think it's worth it for those double blanks you were getting.

17 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

1. I have doubts people want to watch an entire game listening to two idiots say why they did stupid moves.

Please, please post videos of exactly this. There is so little out there about why we move the way we do. The best stream games are the ones with commentators who are actually trying to explain and predict moves.

And put it on YouTube.

16 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

If you need some editing-post work on the videos, I'm willing to help out.

Trying to put my own (more beginner level player) video together and left myself three major concerns.

1. I need further camera experimentation - not satisfied with my setup. Yet.
2. I have doubts people want to watch an entire game listening to two idiots say why they did stupid moves. I might try to zero in on key moments.
3. I forgot how much I hate recording audio of myself. About all the social charisma as week-old fish.

1 minute ago, Dismal Scientist said:

Please, please post videos of exactly this. There is so little out there about why we move the way we do. The best stream games are the ones with commentators who are actually trying to explain and predict moves.

Good news is we don't super care about how many people want to watch it - this is a project we've wanted to do since Listener 4, but time has been an issue.

Timetable is Soon™, because we like doing it. (and all of that delicious ad revenue, of course).

18 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Don't you give me hope. Don't you do it.

dude it's sickening.

Rolls 3, focus hit blank. adds finn blank. spends finn blank to gain target lock with rose. spend lock to reroll original blank. spend focus or force for 3 hits. now do that again @ R1. And that the average roll.

now think what happens when you roll 3 hits add blank and change with ability.

Works on defense too! and add Tallie's ability for 3 greens at R1 and Rey's ability to change blank to Evade... Jebus

14 minutes ago, RStan said:

Just because you didn't use it that often in those specific games doesn't make it not worth it. The chances of getting 2 hits with just a focus is only 56% compared to the 81% with Adv Optics. That's a BIG difference. Whether it's worth spending the extra points on Heroic for the double blank coverage depends on what else you want to fit in your list. If you got a point leftover though, I think it's worth it for those double blanks you were getting.

I don't disagree. however, I think with my resistance Alpha list I'm better off removing the 8 points I've invested into Optics (Poe and Tallie have them) and putting that into my bid to stretch it to 189 pts.

10 hours ago, jagsba said:

I thought about changing your mind, but I'd much rather people play ello than nien. So you do you.

Oh, I'll certainly try it out, get a sense for it. But it's the kinda thing that I think needs to be felt out on the table. It might be easier to pull off than first impressions, and it isn't like a K-Turn into a Focus (particularly if you've got an R4 Astromech) is a bad play.

10 hours ago, Makaze said:

I flew quite a bit of R3-A2 Nien Nunb in 1.0 and I never found it to be much trouble once engaged. It doesn't happen every turn, but it also doesn't need to. Two full modded 4 dice attacks is basically what people bring Redline for so if you can pull if off twice a game plus a smattering of other random shots then he's more than paid for himself

Though it does present a quandary in terms of initiative since moving first lets you pull it off more often but also less able to arc dodge with all those actions

Yeah, I'd forgotten about that aspect of Nien. Moving first means you know position, and can reliably activate his ability. With the glut of Init 5s, it's kind of good insurance against getting stuck as first player. It's always nice to have ships which can work well when moving first or second.

6 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Oh, I'll certainly try it out, get a sense for it. But it's the kinda thing that I think needs to be felt out on the table. It might be easier to pull off than first impressions, and it isn't like a K-Turn into a Focus (particularly if you've got an R4 Astromech) is a bad play.

Yeah, I'd forgotten about that aspect of Nien. Moving first means you know position, and can reliably activate his ability. With the glut of Init 5s, it's kind of good insurance against getting stuck as first player. It's always nice to have ships which can work well when moving first or second.

I think this is why Numb might be better than Ello is because of the 4k being potentially a white move. Numb just feels more consistent.

Tallissan Lintra (35)
Trick Shot (1)
Crack Shot (1)
Proton Rockets (7)

Poe Dameron (68)
Trick Shot (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Torpedo (0)
Proton Torpedoes (9)

Nien Numb (55)
Trick Shot (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Torpedo (0)
Proton Torpedoes (9)

Total: 189

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Dropped Ello to Numb, removed crack shot from all Poe/Numb and put in Trickshot. May drop trickshot for moar bid. I really like how this list operates right now but will continue to tweak. Trickshots for title might be another consideration.

9 hours ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Or more likely, this thing

What statline will it have?

I'd go:

• Satline: 2/3/3/1
• Actions: Focus, Evade, [Lock?], Boost > Focus, Barrel Roll > Focus
• Dial: Blue: 2-3-4 straight, 3 bank, 3 hard. White: 5 straight, 2 bank, 1-2 hard. Red: 5-K, 2-Tallon Rolls
• Slots: [Talent, if high enough], Tech, Cannon, Modification
• Ship Ability: When performing a Cannon attack, you may roll 1 fewer die. If you do, increase or decrease the range by 1, to 0-3.
• Price: cheapest generic would be low 30s, about the same as an RZ-1 A-Wing or v1, since it'll need to add a cannon to have real firepower.

Why? Because the Silencer already has Autothrusters, and just giving a FO Interceptor the same basic ability would be dull. Making it more like a TIE v1 with linked Focus actions would give it a different feel in the faction. Giving it fast Blues would be really different than other Interceptor-type ships (v1, A-Wing, Interceptor, Silencer). But 2-dice ships are kind of anemic. So give it a cannon slot, and since it's a mobile-ish ship, why not add that range trick, so that you could still get a 4-dice attack with an HLC at all ranges. It could also use Ion or Tractor Cannons at Range 0, which is another nifty trick.

21 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

I think this is why Numb might be better than Ello is because of the 4k being potentially a white move. Numb just feels more consistent.

Tallissan Lintra (35)
Trick Shot (1)
Crack Shot (1)
Proton Rockets (7)

Poe Dameron (68)
Trick Shot (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Torpedo (0)
Proton Torpedoes (9)

Nien Numb (55)
Trick Shot (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Torpedo (0)
Proton Torpedoes (9)

Total: 189

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Dropped Ello to Numb, removed crack shot from all Poe/Numb and put in Trickshot. May drop trickshot for moar bid. I really like how this list operates right now but will continue to tweak. Trickshots for title might be another consideration.

Numbs better than ello because they both get actions after red moves but numb conditionally gets two actions.

37 minutes ago, RStan said:

Just because you didn't use it that often in those specific games doesn't make it not worth it. The chances of getting 2 hits with just a focus is only 56% compared to the 81% with Adv Optics. That's a BIG difference. Whether it's worth spending the extra points on Heroic for the double blank coverage depends on what else you want to fit in your list. If you got a point leftover though, I think it's worth it for those double blanks you were getting.

For what it's worth, I used it several times in my game. But it was against PoeRey, so maybe the best matchup possible...

4 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Numbs better than ello because they both get actions after red moves but numb conditionally gets two actions.

Ello has the better flavor text. Advantage: Ello.

2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

For what it's worth, I used it several times in my game. But it was against PoeRey, so maybe the best matchup possible...

yea I was against Poe Rey for one of my games too. adv optics seems great on paper, but I need to play with it more.

3 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Numbs better than ello because they both get actions after red moves but numb conditionally gets two actions.

I'm not seeing the matrix here, how does he get 2 actions?

5 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

yea I was against Poe Rey for one of my games too. adv optics seems great on paper, but I need to play with it more.

I'm not seeing the matrix here, how does he get 2 actions?

red maneuver, pattern analyzer action, gain stress, ability removes stress, perform action step

6 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

I'm not seeing the matrix here, how does he get 2 actions?

Perform red maneuver -> patter analyzer -> get an action immediately

Finish maneuver -> R1 of opponent -> remove stress -> get regular action

5 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Perform red maneuver -> patter analyzer -> get an action immediately

Finish maneuver -> R1 of opponent -> remove stress -> get regular action

Given pattern analyzer only relocates your action to after you red move and before you check stress, the only double action he would get outside of coordinate is linking on the S-foils card.

-Edit- Oops! It does not! It gives you another action, which in most cases means only 1 set of actions because the standard is lost by the stress....This guy looks dank!

2 minutes ago, player3010587 said:

Given pattern analyzer only relocates your action to after you red move and before you check stress, the only double action he would get outside of coordinate is linking on the S-foils card.

-Edit- Oops! It does not! It gives you another action, which in most cases means nothing because the standard is lost by the stress....This guy looks dank!

yeah, pattern analyzer relies on the red move stressing you so you skip your perform action step, which nien circumvents by ditching the stress. It's stronk.

I can literally take no more.

Do not question my art. I am trained.

24 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Numbs better than ello because they both get actions after red moves but numb conditionally gets two actions.

Nien also conditionally ends up with a stress, while Ello doesn't.

//

That said, there's always Both. Both is good.

Ello/Nien/Poe doesn't leave much for a bid, everyone can get all the stuff they need most. Ello/Nien/Tallie/L'ulo fits as well, for 4-ship Init 5 stuff.

It's time.

52 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

Poe Dameron (68)
Trick Shot (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Torpedo (0)
Proton Torpedoes (9)

I would argue all Poe's want the title. It's 2 points. He doesn't even have to fully execute the maneuver from the SLAM to clear the disarm for an ion and shoot. That might not be a great idea, but it's possible.

5 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

It's time.

The only time anyone wanted saboteur back from 1.0.

8 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Nien also conditionally ends up with a stress, while Ello doesn't.

//

That said, there's always Both. Both is good.

Ello/Nien/Poe doesn't leave much for a bid, everyone can get all the stuff they need most. Ello/Nien/Tallie/L'ulo fits as well, for 4-ship Init 5 stuff.

You can get a solid squad of PEN with a decent bid:

2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I would argue all Poe's want the title. It's 2 points. He doesn't even have to fully execute the maneuver from the SLAM to clear the disarm for an ion and shoot. That might not be a great idea, but it's possible.

At very least, fly the **** out of the title at first. Maybe you find you don't need it. Maybe you'll staple it to Poe. Best way to find out is learn, run run it first and cut later.

5 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I would argue all Poe's want the title. It's 2 points. He doesn't even have to fully execute the maneuver from the SLAM to clear the disarm for an ion and shoot. That might not be a great idea, but it's possible.

At 2 points it's a joke. It should be autoinclude for every single Poe list. It's worth it for a bailout move on a ship that's at least a third of your points, then add the utility that you can take the ion to retain your shot for the turn. SLAM->Poe action-> Focus, get a modded shot on almost anyone from almost anywhere.

1 minute ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

You can get a solid squad of PEN with a decent bid:

that name is just begging for a 15 point meme bid