Why wonder where we wander?

33 minutes ago, JasonCole said:

Why wonder where we wander?

Because of threat of FFGs mods, the topic was to be regulated to X-wing TMG content lest this thread become like the Rebels discussion thread(moved to off topic) and so the content has gone from an annoyance of “krayts on top” as soon as the thread becomes 5th on the recently updated, to actual wholesome X-wing content. So it would actually be reasonable to wonder how much of an influx of traffic this thread gets now as compared to say a year ago. I would assume more because the nature of discussion has changed from solely about the podcast to how the current state of the game/preferred pilots. That and hard data that is similar to major-jugglers 1st edition threads now gets posted here or on a regular basis.

2 hours ago, Brunas said:

I think both of these are misleading. Saying at 75-80% of lists had at least one i5 is very different from saying EVERY list is running almost exclusively i5+ ships, with a few outliers.

@Sunitsa that's true for Spain, but crossroads tells a different story (much smaller event): http://listfortress.com/tournaments/12. I'd have to go check GSP, but I don't remember huge i5 dominance there.

But it's not like that now people just run ps 5 ships in their lists either, I'm not getting what you are saying

The game has been centered upon ps 5 since its inception considering so many good pilots and meta staples sit there, I don't think anyone had ever disputed that

Can we get a bar chart of initiative of pilots in cut?

Can we then weigh that data by cost of pilot, giving us percent of cut by initiative value?

36 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Can we get a bar chart of initiative of pilots in cut?

Can we then weigh that data by cost of pilot, giving us percent of cut by initiative value?

I think you are being sarcastic? But I am interested in that.

Over/under: Percentage of points spent that made a cut on an i5 platform: 35%

I think I’m leaning over?

1 hour ago, AEIllingworth said:

I think you are being sarcastic? But I am interested in that.

Over/under: Percentage of points spent that made a cut on an i5 platform: 35%

I think I’m leaning over?

I'm not being sarcastic. If I was, I'd be cursing and talking about how Thane is great and rebels should play more thane.

I actually want to know, in cut

- How many pilots of each init value were there

- How many points of each init value were there (Maybe factor bid as distributed amongst all ships?

I know i'm going to look really stupid with my 72-100% of my lit being init 1.

8 hours ago, catachanninja said:

@jagsba what is happening in that chart grid thing

My phone is vomiting.

5 hours ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Can we get a bar chart of initiative of pilots in cut?

Can we then weigh that data by cost of pilot, giving us percent of cut by initiative value?

I can do the first bit EZ. I gotta port my data to xws for the second which is a whole thing.

17 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

My phone is vomiting.

Yeah looks fine on desktop. Tis a travesty in mobile, sorry.

15 hours ago, Brunas said:

I do wonder how often the general forum populace wanders in here. PEOPLE WHO POST IN OTHER THREADS, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

Basically thrice a week or so. Which is about two times more a week than I check other threads.

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I still think that a focus on cuts is misleading. Xwing is too volatile and the tournament structure is too arbitrarily chosen to use it for analysis.

I'm currently on holidays, but now that we finally start getting data I can dig a little myself. I'll also throw that in here again when I get around to do it, the rest of the forum is.. well, not great.

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@Kaptin Krunch, for some reason it won't let me upload the chart, but here's the data, hope the formatting doesn't suck on mobile again.

Table 1: number of ships at each initiative value in the cut (aggregate data) as a raw number and as a percentage of the total number of ships in the cut.

18 minutes ago, jagsba said:

@Kaptin Krunch, for some reason it won't let me upload the chart, but here's the data, hope the formatting doesn't suck on mobile again.

i	#	%
i1	79	15%
i2	53	10.%
i3	88	17%
i4	95	18%
i5	161	30%
i6	52	10%

Table 1: number of ships at each initiative value in the cut (aggregate data) as a raw number and as a percentage of the total number of ships in the cut.

Cool!

How hard would it to weigh that by points?

What i'm looking for are signs of lists like Han 3Z, where while it's technically 1 i6 and 3 i1, han is 2/3rds of the list.

1 minute ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Cool!

How hard would it to weigh that by points?

What i'm looking for are signs of lists like Han 3Z, where while it's technically 1 i6 and 3 i1, han is 2/3rds of the list.

Won’t points and initiative be self-correlated?

5 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Cool!

How hard would it to weigh that by points?

What i'm looking for are signs of lists like Han 3Z, where while it's technically 1 i6 and 3 i1, han is 2/3rds of the list.

you'll have to hit up other data monkeys. I've got to shift from searching list text to pulling data from XWS to be able to pull individual points and thats going to take a bit of time.

22 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Won’t points and initiative be self-correlated?

To some extent, but it would be vastly preferable to have the actual data to see exactly how points are being invested across init bands.

As an example, a Fat Han being 2/3rds of a list and a Soontir or Wedge being a quarter mean different things.

36 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

To some extent, but it would be vastly preferable to have the actual data to see exactly how points are being invested across init bands.

As an example, a Fat Han being 2/3rds of a list and a Soontir or Wedge being a quarter mean different things.

Sure, but what you then actually want is a more econometric model that controls points based on other factors first: base size, attack value, defense value, etc.

Just weighting by points is possibly too naive to be valuable, and could easily cause spurious conclusions.

16 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Because of threat of FFGs mods, the topic was to be regulated to X-wing TMG content lest this thread become like the Rebels discussion thread(moved to off topic) and so the content has gone from an annoyance of “krayts on top” as soon as the thread becomes 5th on the recently updated, to actual wholesome X-wing content. So it would actually be reasonable to wonder how much of an influx of traffic this thread gets now as compared to say a year ago. I would assume more because the nature of discussion has changed from solely about the podcast to how the current state of the game/preferred pilots. That and hard data that is similar to major-jugglers 1st edition threads now gets posted here or on a regular basis.

I was riffing on the alliteration used, but thanks for taking me seriously.

4 minutes ago, JasonCole said:

I was riffing on the alliteration used, but thanks for taking me seriously.

That’s what happens when you read the forums late at night... 😆, Happy to oblige though.

3 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

I still think that a focus on cuts is misleading. Xwing is too volatile and the tournament structure is too arbitrarily chosen to use it for analysis.

I'm currently on holidays, but now that we finally start getting data I can dig a little myself. I'll also throw that in here again when I get around to do it, the rest of the forum is.. well, not great.

I agree that just looking at raw conversion rate doesn't give us the whole picture, personally I like to collect cut lists because it usually means that something got there once, given the right combination of good piloting, good matchup and dice luck, it could make it again.

But with the data we have what else could we do other than just look at conversion rate?

I keep on seeing Boba/Guri pop up. Is it a thing? I'm tempted to take it PAX because 1) It looks fun 2) It looks good and 3)Two ships are easy enough to fly. I know that bend barrel rolls give you lots of options, but I have a pretty good feel for it and easy enough to get some solo practice with it to hone it.

I've been reading Phil GC's love affair with it and it has me intrigued.

10 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

I keep on seeing Boba/Guri pop up. Is it a thing? I'm tempted to take it PAX because 1) It looks fun 2) It looks good and 3)Two ships are easy enough to fly. I know that bend barrel rolls give you lots of options, but I have a pretty good feel for it and easy enough to get some solo practice with it to hone it.

I've been reading Phil GC's love affair with it and it has me intrigued.

It is a thing. It made some cuts even when played by non philgc, most recently it was the runner up of the polish sos.

But I never played nor faced it, so other than pointing those results out, I'm not that helpful

18 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

I keep on seeing Boba/Guri pop up. Is it a thing? I'm tempted to take it PAX because 1) It looks fun 2) It looks good and 3)Two ships are easy enough to fly. I know that bend barrel rolls give you lots of options, but I have a pretty good feel for it and easy enough to get some solo practice with it to hone it.

I've been reading Phil GC's love affair with it and it has me intrigued.

Given that the ship count seems to be hovering in the 3-4 range instead of higher, I think it might be a thing. You'll want to outbid Redlines or Guri will just die. Be cautious about stress control and kill I6s arc dodgers with a furious vengeance. I like this Boba build, which techs against a lot of the current meta boogieman(s).

Boba Fett (80)
Debris Gambit (2)
IG-88D (4)
Seismic Charges (3)
Contraband Cybernetics (5)
Shield Upgrade (6)
Marauder (3)
Han Solo (4)

Total: 107

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1 minute ago, gennataos said:

Given that the ship count seems to be hovering in the 3-4 range instead of higher, I think it might be a thing. You'll want to outbid Redlines or Guri will just die. Be cautious about stress control and kill I6s arc dodgers with a furious vengeance. I like this Boba build, which techs against a lot of the current meta boogieman(s).

Boba Fett (80)
Debris Gambit (2)
IG-88D (4)
Seismic Charges (3)
Contraband Cybernetics (5)
Shield Upgrade (6)
Marauder (3)
Han Solo (4)

Total: 107

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

I was actually thinking the following. Wanted to buff up Guri a bit and keep it under 185.