2 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:I honestly haven't looked at much outside of wave 1.
I'm not sure how excited I actually am for not-wave 1.
I think I was 100% that it was going to be re-release only, up until the announcement of wave 2. Maybe you can make a decent First order list with just TIE/fo, or maybe they are going to sneak more into the release?
Wave one has three ships per faction (arguably four scum) but only two resistance and one first order are coming out with a fifth scum ship?
17 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:It's super interesting to see so many "all-ship" builds in this thread.
Do you guys want all ships to be legal for competitive events?
2 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:I honestly haven't looked at much outside of wave 1.
I'm not sure how excited I actually am for not-wave 1.
I think more ships will generally be more interesting than 2-3 ships per faction, especially on the Rebel side. Scum and Imperials have ships that are at least different from each other. X and Y wings have the least differences of all the wave 1 ships.
2 minutes ago, Biophysical said:
I think more ships will generally be more interesting than 2-3 ships per faction, especially on the Rebel side. Scum and Imperials have ships that are at least different from each other. X and Y wings have the least differences of all the wave 1 ships.
I actually disagree.
’more than 3’ like ‘5’ is.
’more than 3’ like ‘20’ isnt (to me). It looks like an overwhelming, unbalanced mess.
less ships feels more digestible, and more like if I won it’s because of the choices I made, and less about abusing some fantastic list or wombo combo.
9 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:I actually disagree.
’more than 3’ like ‘5’ is.
’more than 3’ like ‘20’ isnt (to me). It looks like an overwhelming, unbalanced mess.
less ships feels more digestible, and more like if I won it’s because of the choices I made, and less about abusing some fantastic list or wombo combo.
I agree in theory, I just think that a lot of the ships in that "20" overlap enough that while more than "5" different ships, it's more like "8-9" if you look at how they're used. Regardless, I have a hard time thinking Rebels are in a good place with what's out now. Imperials are okay, but only Scum has more than 2-3 major archetypes they can make.
I’ve been looking only at wave 1 because I think local wave kits are going to support only current released waves and aside from Crossroads Classic, I don’t see myself going to a bigger event until next year some time.
More than that, we need a baseline.
I get people are excited about a bunch of different things, but without a baseline, we’ll have virtually no context for what’s good and what isn’t.
5 minutes ago, gennataos said:More than that, we need a baseline.
I get people are excited about a bunch of different things, but without a baseline, we’ll have virtually no context for what’s good and what isn’t.
Having no baseline leads to two effects as far as I understand: one, the meta is wide, wide open and you can hardly prepare for it. With current tournament structures this leads to wildly mixed topcuts. Two, some lists will be flattened so hard that it won‘t be fun in the slightest.
The former is imo positive, the latter could be a worthwile sacrifice.
I guess you want to post the npe squads (not necessarily OP, just miserable to play against)?
because double advanced sensors defender is a good start.
they didn’t come for you to have a good time, just to slowly grind out games.
49 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:I honestly haven't looked at much outside of wave 1.
I'm not sure how excited I actually am for not-wave 1.
Neither. I am primarily thinking about the meme format.
Still impossibly hyped about everything to be honest.
This is how X-Wing feels right now.
Its the beginning of the story. We are still in the Shire.
Will this all end with another war of the wombo combo wing?
Probably eventually but thats gotta be at least another 500 pages from now.
Edited by Boom OwlJust now, Boom Owl said:Neither. I am primarily thinking about the meme format.
Still impossibly hyped about everything to be honest.
This is how X-Wing feels right now.
Its the beginning of the story. We are still in the Shire.
Will this all end with another war of the wombo combo wing?
Probably eventually but thats gotta be at least another 500 pages form now.
I promise you if everything is the default format, we aren’t thay far away from wombo combo unfun wing.
1 minute ago, Tlfj200 said:I guess you want to post the npe squads (not necessarily OP, just miserable to play against)?
because double advanced sensors defender is a good start.
they didn’t come for you to have a good time, just to slowly grind out games.
Boba with Han, Trip 0, Fearless is pretty brutal. Throw in Shield Upgrade for fun/to force 6 damage to get halfsies on him. Can honorably joust or hunt you down or kite.
Wave one feels like it's going to be rough flying Xwings again, honestly. That said, I will admit ignorance as I have still yet to put 2.0 on the board.
I still want to play a game where dials matter. Vader already feels like cheating that edge now... Also, as bad as Rebel crew are, do Rebels even get a crew carrier for "Wave One?"
Just now, LagJanson said:Wave one feels like it's going to be rough flying Xwings again, honestly. That said, I will admit ignorance as I have still yet to put 2.0 on the board.
I still want to play a game where dials matter. Vader already feels like cheating that edge now... Also, as bad as Rebel crew are, do Rebels even get a crew carrier for "Wave One?"
U-wing
13 minutes ago, Q10fanatic said:Boba with Han, Trip 0, Fearless is pretty brutal. Throw in Shield Upgrade for fun/to force 6 damage to get halfsies on him. Can honorably joust or hunt you down or kite.
Isn't stuff that's too good the point of adjustable points costs?
5 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:U-wing
Oh my excitement as I realize the Reaper is wave one too
32 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:I promise you if everything is the default format, we aren’t thay far away from wombo combo unfun wing.
I think its a question of how unfun those combos will get in comparison to the awful single player game that was the last year of 1.0.
The 360 turrets are dead. That by itself moves the game forward and makes it more interesting.
Remember that many of us ( myself included ) started playing X-Wing last year...
I never got to experience a good version of this game besides the 7 days before the gunboat died.
Watch List?
You guys used to say it.
Something will always be good.
What matters is that the good thing is fun and that FFG continues to iterate not only on the points but also the tournament formats.
Edited by Boom Owl8 minutes ago, Biophysical said:Isn't stuff that's too good the point of adjustable points costs?
Oh yeah, it’s only (maybe) npe in that all of those things could go up in price next time.
1 minute ago, Boom Owl said:Remember that many of us ( myself included ) started playing X-Wing last year...
I never got to experience a good version of this game besides the 7 days before the gunboat died.
I'm in the same boat (started in November of '17); that was a glorious week.
Edited by impspy7 minutes ago, impspy said:I'm in the same boat (started in November of '17); that was a glorious week.
It was.
So I haven't been keeping track and I'm lazy. What's available in the inevitably popular "new releases only" format?
For TIE Advanced, I'm not allowed to fly Zertik or Ved right? Just Vader, Generics, and MaaREKT?
For Y-Wings it's Norra, the generics, and... Dutch?
All the TIE Fighters are legal, as are all the X-Wings, right?
How about upgrades? Did some Firespray titles only come in the conversion kits and not the expansion pack? Am I right in thinking that once again the Force users got the edge here because all four of the Force abilities are in the core set but most of the other upgrades are in the conversion kits?
The secret is that there were never any good old days, just nostalgia for a time when we didn't understand all the math behind the game.
1 minute ago, Chumbalaya said:The secret is that there were never any good old days, just nostalgia for a time when we didn't understand all the math behind the game.
I remember my first store champ, getting my A-Wings stomped by a fat Han, and having Tycho flown off the board by my opponent because I forgot he was stressed and dialed in a red move, and this was before the white 2-straight rule.
"I never really had and good times, did I?" ~Plankton
12 minutes ago, Chumbalaya said:The secret is that there were never any good old days, just nostalgia for a time when we didn't understand all the math behind the game.
I am really genuinely zeroed in on the lack of turrets in 2.0.
I feel like whatever broken version of the game we might end up with its going to be better just because of that. Even if high ps small bases that can just point anywhere they want or rotate turrets that have complete info create a similar effect, its not really the same no matter how close it gets.
Like James Cameron before them FFG raised the bar. The removal of true 360 turrets on its own most likely changes the baseline definition of sad.
Edited by Boom OwlI’m still not excited for all ships.
sorry guys.
1 minute ago, Tlfj200 said:I’m still not excited for all ships.
sorry guys.
That’s fair though. Can’t say I’m excited for some that are coming either.
8 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:I am really genuinely zeroed in on the lack of turrets in 2.0.
I feel like whatever broken version of the game we might end up with its going to be better just because of that. Even if high ps small bases that can just point anywhere they want or rotate turrets that have complete info create a similar effect, its not really the same no matter how close it gets.
Like James Cameron before them FFG raised the bar. The removal of true 360 turrets on its own most likely changes the baseline definition of sad.
I like your point but I question anyone's ability to be truly objective about this game.
Like, part of me thinks perhaps your optimism about the turrets being gone is because you yourself are a high-PS reposition-based arc-dodging ace player.
Because I know I have done the same thing myself. Since my favorite type of list is 3 or more beefy identical generics with ordnance or heavy cannons, I didn't really think triple Jumpmasters was that big of a deal.
I just think if we really open our eyes to it, we're old players and don't really care about anything because we're in it for the long haul and know that all OP NPE cancerfests get nerfed eventually (unless they're bounty hunters because Alex Davy bounty hunter fan REEEEE).
So the only reason any of this stuff super matters is from the perspective of a new player, since we all want more people to play with. And from a new player's point of view, 2.0 is better than 1.0 for now because maybe they won't have to buy to conversion kits or stuff from other factions to get the cards (remains to be seen what's legal for competitive games and what it looks like going forward, and if some factions are just not competitive). But there's still going to be NPEs for a new player, and I'm not really sure if getting arc-dodged to death is any more fun than getting TLT-ed to death.