Just now, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

I drink to enjoy 1.0

I suppose as long as the drinks come first!

9 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

It’s half points everything, right?

He just has to half points something and not be half-points-ed?

I get that, but who's he gunna half points? Dutch/Gray? And not get half-pointed by Luke? Let's also assume that just because I chose Rebels, I'm not bad. I'm not flying them together, I'm not going to 1-forward to victory. I know that Vader can red move behind me and boost in with afterburners. How s Vader going to flank both of them and receive no shots? I'll believe you guys if you say you've tested it and Luke + Y-wing have no chance.

2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I get that, but who's he gunna half points? Dutch/Gray? And not get half-pointed by Luke? Let's also assume that just because I chose Rebels, I'm not bad. I'm not flying them together, I'm not going to 1-forward to victory. I know that Vader can red move behind me and boost in with afterburners. How s Vader going to flank both of them and receive no shots? I'll believe you guys if you say you've tested it and Luke + Y-wing have no chance.

I have tested nothing - not going.

Summon @Brunas

2 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

I have tested nothing - not going.

Summon @Brunas

Wait...what? I thought you were going to GenCon. Was looking forward to meeting you.

No, I can’t go ?

not aure when the next event I can’t make will be ?

Tangentially, there's no evidence that what I've been talking about matters. We've seen no incentive to win, since everyone gets everything announced.

19 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

No, I can’t go ?

not aure when the next event I can’t make will be ?

First year is rough. Then the wife gets tired of you and kicks you out to Xwing tournaments

3 hours ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

Though I know that it isn't final, the squad builder screenshot and the threat cards for Jek and Luke make it seem like Luke won't cost much more than Jek. Maybe ~55 points base?

Don't pay attention to that screenshot. Jek is also missing a missile slot, which seems weird. I don't understand why he wouldn't have the option to take a missile. That screenshot is totally not official or meaningful

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

Played him myself? No. I've played against him a ton, though, and am well-versed in what he can do. I get that Vader can make sure he's never receiving meaningful fire, I'm just not convinced he can do that and do any significant damage.

OK, I'll be blunt. Your opponents are bad. Kylo moving last on a board almost always can dial in something kinda reasonable, dodge every firing arc, and still get a modded shot. This Vader is similar, but more likely to be moving last, more actions, and more passive mods.

57 minutes ago, viedit said:

A Supernatural Vader could be a nightmare if it's close on time. He is almost guaranteed to be moving after you. If he's sitting on 3 force charges, he spends one to boost before he moves, takes a damage. Moves. Then can TL for his action, spend another force charge to Focus and then BR out of your arc while he still has arc on you. He's fully modded, throwing 3-4 dice with a focus. That will put damage through. He will eat damage on himself to put points down on something else.

that, basically. This isn't 1.0 vader. This is expertise vader that can spend his target lock. Ywings are taking an average of 3 damage EVERY TURN from just vader

http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=gQAAAAAAAAA&a1=QwIAIAAABAA

51 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

I have tested nothing - not going.

Summon @Brunas

I haven't played Vader against this Luke/Dutch, but I have played them against good things instead of garbage, and I can promise it's trivial to arc dodge most things and go absolutely destroy whatever you want, especially with afterburners.

1 minute ago, Brunas said:

that, basically. This isn't 1.0 vader. This is expertise vader that can spend his target lock. Ywings are taking an average of 3 damage EVERY TURN from just vader

Are we clear on timing window of ATC in 2.0? If you have the TL up front can you throw 3 dice (2 + ATC bonus) and if you have one or more blanks can you burn the TL to re-roll and still keep the ATC bonus dice?

I just want to comment that whoever does SW: Destiny development is trolling us. Their announced pack today includes “Triple Laser Turret.”

2 minutes ago, PaulRuddSays said:

I just want to comment that whoever does SW: Destiny development is trolling us. Their announced pack today includes “Triple Laser Turret.”

34 minutes ago, viedit said:

Are we clear on timing window of ATC in 2.0? If you have the TL up front can you throw 3 dice (2 + ATC bonus) and if you have one or more blanks can you burn the TL to re-roll and still keep the ATC bonus dice?

Yes? How would you even know which die to remove after spending the lock?

Attack, roll 3 dice

Change a hit to a crit

Spend lock to reroll whatever

would be the order of operations, unless there's something absolutely crazy in the rules reference

16 minutes ago, Brunas said:

OK, I'll be blunt. Your opponents are bad. Kylo moving last on a board almost always can dial in something kinda reasonable, dodge every firing arc, and still get a modded shot.

Your opponents are also super bad.

A good opponent will make you either spend those actions to be out of arcs period (but you likely won't have a shot), or you'll be stuck facing a shot, but you can mod something.

Getting that dream that I've bolded above isn't as common as you're making it out to be.

26 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Yes? How would you even know which die to remove after spending the lock?

Attack, roll 3 dice

Change a hit to a crit

Spend lock to reroll whatever

would be the order of operations, unless there's something absolutely crazy in the rules reference

Sorry, still have foggy 1.0 eyes. ATC in 1.0 is "add result". In 2.0 it's roll in an additional die. As for keeping track of dice, ask Palp about LWF.

22 minutes ago, Crit Happens said:

Your opponents are also super bad.

A good opponent will make you either spend those actions to be out of arcs period (but you likely won't have a shot), or you'll be stuck facing a shot, but you can mod something.

Getting that dream that I've bolded above isn't as common as you're making it out to be.

This is true, but I'm considering first order vanguard as a mod (and have optics), so for example phildos version is significantly harder to do this in. Optics kylo just leaves every other turn (unless the opponent is bad, like you said)

3 hours ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Inb4 Howl costs 36 and Iden costs 34.

That’s pretty much a nightmare. The TIE swarm is utterly toxic if it’s a meta defining monster. There’s a solid argument that everything that went wrong with 1.0 was a result of trying to rein in the effectiveness of TIE swarms (without changing points) and the resulting over-corrections to bring the stuff they brought in to do so back into check. If you can get Iden and Howl as part of a seven TIE swarm I would bet we see a very quick points correction that lands close to my values.

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

OK, I'll be blunt. Your opponents are bad. Kylo moving last on a board almost always can dial in something kinda reasonable, dodge every firing arc, and still get a modded shot. This Vader is similar, but more likely to be moving last, more actions, and more passive mods.

that, basically. This isn't 1.0 vader. This is expertise vader that can spend his target lock. Ywings are taking an average of 3 damage EVERY TURN from just vader

http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=gQAAAAAAAAA&a1=QwIAIAAABAA

I haven't played Vader against this Luke/Dutch, but I have played them against good things instead of garbage, and I can promise it's trivial to arc dodge most things and go absolutely destroy whatever you want, especially with afterburners.

I feel like you're venturing into absolutes. Maybe my opponents aren't as good as you, but I don't believe you're so much better that you can achieve this scenario with Kylo, regularly, and they can't. I also don't believe you can put 3 hits into my Y-Wing for the three turns required to kill and (or two turns to put it at half points) and also avoid having Vader get half-pointed or destroyed himself. You'll just have to prove that to me at GenCon!

16 minutes ago, Crit Happens said:

Your opponents are also super bad.

A good opponent will make you either spend those actions to be out of arcs period (but you likely won't have a shot), or you'll be stuck facing a shot, but you can mod something.

Getting that dream that I've bolded above isn't as common as you're making it out to be.

This. Like always, I'm willing to be proven wrong, and the only way that is happening is GenCon. Yay, GenCon!

4 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I feel like you're venturing into absolutes. Maybe my opponents aren't as good as you, but I don't believe you're so much better that you can achieve this scenario with Kylo, regularly, and they can't. I also don't believe you can put 3 hits into my Y-Wing for the three turns required to kill and (or two turns to put it at half points) and also avoid having Vader get half-pointed or destroyed himself. You'll just have to prove that to me at GenCon!

This. Like always, I'm willing to be proven wrong, and the only way that is happening is GenCon. Yay, GenCon!

Only a Krayt Crumpet deals in absolutes!

12 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I feel like you're venturing into absolutes. Maybe my opponents aren't as good as you, but I don't believe you're so much better that you can achieve this scenario with Kylo, regularly, and they can't. I also don't believe you can put 3 hits into my Y-Wing for the three turns required to kill and (or two turns to put it at half points) and also avoid having Vader get half-pointed or destroyed himself. You'll just have to prove that to me at GenCon!

This. Like always, I'm willing to be proven wrong, and the only way that is happening is GenCon. Yay, GenCon!

Well, it's not really a case of me being better than them, they're playing it differently. I would argue wrong, but that's a different discussion. The pool of players that is willing to have no shooting for multiple rounds is very small - the main point is, when vader shoots that ywing he hits for 3. You only have to pull off that shot 3 times over 75 minutes.

edit: I still phrased this badly.

The point for kylo is, there should be a LOT of turns of no shooting if turrets aren't involved. There isn't a rush, grab a lock boost 5 straight away, then 5 straight again to get your focus back. Then spend all your time waiting to put yourself in a place where you get that shot with no return, and if you can't get it that turn just leave again. This is why the 5 straight/3banks are so stupid on kylo, if you're moving after someone the range in distances you can end up are about range 5 apart from each other.

Some of us play the "patient ace" to the extreme. Over all my games, I've taken more damage from rocks on kylo than attacks (usually followed by a "i didn't bring shields to not use them on rocks", style points are important).

edit: it's still not quite what I mean. I'm not saying "look how good i am at kylo I don't get shot", it's "look at kylo, you can refuse to play the game of xwing"

7 minutes ago, Crit Happens said:

Only a Krayt Crumpet deals in absolutes!

What we said was true though, from a certain perspective

Just now, Brunas said:

Well, it's not really a case of me being better than them, they're playing it differently. I would argue wrong, but that's a different discussion. The pool of players that is willing to have no shooting for multiple rounds is very small - the main point is, when vader shoots that ywing he hits for 3. You only have to pull off that shot 3 times over 75 minutes, without dying.

Fixed!

6 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Fixed!

Well, there's problem #2

http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=gwAAAAAAAAA&a1=QwAAAAAAAAA

Vader can tank 2-3 torps before losing his shields (he gets 3 because reasons?) Even if you catch him, which you shouldn't unless someone screws up or runs out of afterburners, you still have to catch him a third time before it really matters. The odds of still having a ship alive at that point are... very low.

9 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Some of us play the "patient ace" to the extreme. Over all my games, I've taken more damage from rocks on kylo than attacks (usually followed by a "i didn't bring shields to not use them on rocks", style points are important).

edit: it's still not quite what I mean. I'm not saying "look how good i am at kylo I don't get shot", it's "look at kylo, you can refuse to play the game of xwing"

This is what Kylo does best: run away, and take the occasional shot. He definitely doesn't take double modded shots anywhere close to every turn.

I think that @gennataos is trying to point out that although Vader will be awesome, he wont have Kylo levels of maneuverability. The dial just isn't as good to gtfo. Also no evade action makes Vader kinda sad. He will be taking fire, which is something that Kylo doesn't do.

2 hours ago, gennataos said:

Tangentially, there's no evidence that what I've been talking about matters. We've seen no incentive to win, since everyone gets everything announced.

I think this is very true. This 5-Threat tournament is meant to be taken about as seriously as every Epic tournament ever