21 minutes ago, player2072913 said:

Anybody here heading to the euros?

I would assume basically no-one.

I know that there are a surprisingly large amount of Krayts in Kangaroo Land, and a pocket in Canada- How many European, Asian, and South American Krayts are there?

2 hours ago, drjkel said:

I entirely disagree (and noted so in that thread, just above your reply).

In my view, the ceilings and floors should be about the lists themselves, with the player's skill as a force multiplier. It makes no sense to talk about ceilings and floors in player skills since a) everyone is bad at this game, and b) no one thinks they're bad at this game. It gives a range of what a list can do, depending on how not terrible you are at this game.

Other factors come into play too. Like giving a turret list to my son ends in tears, since he will still insist on keeping arcs on target, so I just gave up trying to convince him he can kite or run away while shooting. If he'd listen to me, he'd know that 2e was made for him, but he's still angry that they dared mess with the game.

I agree, and I think I probably didn't understand the question right. If you're evaluating gudness on a list-to-list basis? Yeah, every list has its own floor and ceiling.

I still think it's nice to talk about there being just an overall floor and ceiling for the entire game though. Because you still need to know a good deal of basic rules before playing, and there is a certain point you get to where everyone's equally skilled and the games just come down to luck. It's super rare though. Usually the top competitive matches are just decided by who ****s up first.

8 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

Because you still need to know a good deal of basic rules before playing, and there is a certain point you get to where everyone's equally skilled and the games just come down to luck. It's super rare though. Usually the top competitive matches are just decided by who ****s up first.

That's probably the main reason I'm fine with skipping 2.0. I like the challenge of beating someone that's great and we don't have a lot of those around here. When I decided blowing money on travel was taking it too far, that seriously limited my options. Naboo was a few hundreds, but the PTL Open was closer to a grand since we made a family weekend out of it. That could have been so many ships!

We have 2 or 3 actually good players, my son, who is on the good side of average, and friendly more casual players. As the TO, I avoided bringing top cancer and gave people more chances to outplay me to teach them to fly better (because coming first all the time is really boring).

There is one player where every match could go either way, which are always the best matches! I felt he deserved the punishment of taking over as TO

Yeah, finding great opponents is always a challenge. Luckily for me, there's a podcast in our town and also some other quite excellent players. I really enjoy our games.

What's really nice is that all the good players in our town get along really well, so we sort of formed a Fort Collins X-Wing Illuminati where we make sure to enforce that we all play "wholesome" lists so as not to scare off the other new players.

We're trying to find ways to get new players over the summer (before 2.0 comes out), but right now we're sort of stumped. Maybe when I get my alt-art damage decks, we'll hold a "1.0 farewell" league/tournament/thing?

1 hour ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

I would assume basically no-one.

I know that there are a surprisingly large amount of Krayts in Kangaroo Land, and a pocket in Canada- How many European, Asian, and South American Krayts are there?

Well have we claimed Nand Phua and/or Dellapina?

Get the Cape Town guys and the Brazilians then we’ll have Krayts on all Kraytinents baby

51 minutes ago, drjkel said:

That's probably the main reason I'm fine with skipping 2.0. I like the challenge of beating someone that's great and we don't have a lot of those around here. When I decided blowing money on travel was taking it too far, that seriously limited my options. Naboo was a few hundreds, but the PTL Open was closer to a grand since we made a family weekend out of it. That could have been so many ships!

We have 2 or 3 actually good players, my son, who is on the good side of average, and friendly more casual players. As the TO, I avoided bringing top cancer and gave people more chances to outplay me to teach them to fly better (because coming first all the time is really boring).

There is one player where every match could go either way, which are always the best matches! I felt he deserved the punishment of taking over as TO

I think that may oversimplify what happens with opponents of equal skill, as there more factors at play here than dice variance:

1) each player has different assessments and tolerances for risk

2) both are meta-gaming each other (we both see the ‘best move,’ but if he does that, then I should do something else)

3) squad variations of strategies and tactics

So, most games between good players is decided by who screws up first, but it’s not because one accidentally hits a rock, it’s that they misgauged what the other would do, etc, based on those parameters.

And also, while the dice can be frustrating, ultimately we like the fact the game isn’t deterministic- you have to adjust to what happens on the board. You might have had a strategy , and even implemented it well, but now things have gone sideways and you have to adjust. That’s pretty cool.

What is this "hitting a rock" you speak of?

I agree with your assessment. We tend to be higher on the risk tolerance thing locally, which is why flying Inq/QD/Yorr was so stressful the one time I tried, it doesn't react well to undue risk taking.

I can't speak for others, but I've stopped really working through "do they see what I see?" a long while ago and just focus on the best moves for my list given the current board state and go from there. I don't do planned strategy or practice, I like having to figure it out on the fly, the pressure of having to always adapt is what kept me hooked.

It probably helps that wins and losses have no impact on my enjoyment, as long as the battle was fun. There's a specific player I think about beating in the rankings, but that's only because he gets really annoying if he wins and will not shut up about it. Or if he loses, but sulking is not as noisy as boasting.

And, to be fair, the first to misjudge is actually the same as the first screwing up, just put more politely

36 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

And also, while the dice can be frustrating, ultimately we like the fact the game isn’t deterministic- you have to adjust to what happens on the board. You might have had a strategy , and even implemented it well, but now things have gone sideways and you have to adjust. That’s pretty cool. 

This is one of the things that I am looking forward to regarding 2nd Ed. I like that dice add randomness to this game but V1 has reached a point where you are either building a list to a point where there is very little randomness (ezra/Maul/Lothal) or you are relying on a list where there can be a massive dice variance possibility (Low HP/High Agi ships). With 2nd Ed the toning down of modifiers both offensively and defensively means that the random nature of dice will be more obvious (as we will be hitting and defending less) but may also have far less "impact" as you aren't likey to consistently have someone who is hitting almost 100% because of mods and then you fully blanking out. So more variance but hopefully with far lesser extremes on both sides.

21 minutes ago, thelogicdump said:

I like that dice add randomness to this game

What I like most about this is that it makes every single Action choice and move feel even more important.

Its nice being free of the pressure to fully modify my dice every single turn to do any damage at all to an opponents lists now.

You still want as many mods as possible of course, but not having to find every means necessary to fully modify ridiculous quantities of dice is great.

Force is a little concerning because its so passive in nature, its like every force user has Poes pilot ability.

But everything else seems adjusted to the point that randomness exists and perfect modification is rare.

Taking a focus / TL shot seems infrequent enough in 2.0 to feel special and i think thats great, especially when its the result of lining up a bullseye or setting up a turn before.

2 hours ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

I would assume basically no-one.

I know that there are a surprisingly large amount of Krayts in Kangaroo Land, and a pocket in Canada- How many European, Asian, and South American Krayts are there?

we have a great appreciation for other trash talkers in the land down under. the Australian Team Champs meta is 50% mind games and insults.

18 minutes ago, RynoZero said:

we have a great appreciation for other trash talkers in the land down under. the Australian Team Champs meta is 50% mind games and insults.

Is the other 50% getting dumpstered by Paul Johnson?

45 minutes ago, RynoZero said:

we have a great appreciation for other trash talkers in the land down under. the Australian Team Champs meta is 50% mind games and insults. 

Is it that low? Last year I felt it was much higher than that So much banter in that room on tournament day!

29 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

Is the other 50% getting dumpstered by Paul Johnson? 

Maybe if the Kiwi's decide to turn up this year!

29 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

Is the other 50% getting dumpstered by Paul Johnson?

thats in the first 50%, where we blame NSW Team for that happening.

the other 50% is never speaking of Xian Yong Lim and how close we came to getting our nat's howard'd

4 hours ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

I would assume basically no-one.

I know that there are a surprisingly large amount of Krayts in Kangaroo Land, and a pocket in Canada- How many European, Asian, and South American Krayts are there?

There are no krayts down under

So note-

While watching this week's cast, Travis mentioned people regenning more than they thought.

Will Haigwood watched his own Adepticon final so that he could come up with Flavor Text for the Krayt Miranda card and he ended up finding that he regenned well over 20 times.

Card Related

At the last Gencon, Nathan's Corran regenned 11 times.

I can say against anyone that beat me at Adepticon with a regen ship, they regenned at least more times than their ship had health.

53 minutes ago, jokerkd said:

There are no krayts down under

The fact that I have Aussies emailing me about trying to get Krayt **** to distribute says othewise.

9 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Will Haigwood watched his own Adepticon final so that he could come up with Flavor Text for the Krayt Miranda card and he ended up finding that he regenned well over 20 times.

At the last Gencon, Nathan's Corran regenned 11 times.

that said i found pushing damage is a lot harder in 2.0, so regening 3 times on luke "new Miri" Skywalker might end up being a lot in practice.

1 hour ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

The fact that I have Aussies emailing me about trying to get Krayt **** to distribute says othewise.

KRAYTS ON THE BOTTOM ON TOP

1 hour ago, RynoZero said:

that said i found pushing damage is a lot harder in 2.0, so regening 3 times on luke "new Miri" Skywalker might end up being a lot in practice.

Yeah i watched like 3 games of 2.0 luke. Soon as he fired a double modded proton torp i was like "oh look a new miranda"

When you move to a new town for a job. And don't know anyone....

What's a reasonable amount of time sitting at a bar by yourself trying to figure out wtf to do with your social life?

7 minutes ago, Velvetelvis said:

When you move to a new town for a job. And don't know anyone....

What's a reasonable amount of time sitting at a bar by yourself trying to figure out wtf to do with your social life?

Which town?

Try not to judge...

Fond du lac.

4 minutes ago, Velvetelvis said:

Try not to judge...

Fond du lac.

Ewwww. Cant say i know anyone there you'd wanna know ?

Ha!

Appreciate the thought man.

Ah well. I've seen enough of the local culture here for tonight. What I will do is swing down to the big city for an x wing night at whichever of the barristers you and the fellas hang out at.

'Tis the summer to blow out all the jankiest 1 E lists I can muster.

7 hours ago, catachanninja said:

Yeah i watched like 3 games of 2.0 luke. Soon as he fired a double modded proton torp i was like "oh look a new miranda"

i want to test repairbot on him. because he can probably afford to spend the action and rely on passive mods. and in return hes protected from something game ending like structural damage.