1 minute ago, drjkel said:

To anyone who had local sloppy (or straight up cheating) players with extra munitions and shields, adding extra token types like force and charge is a scary prospect.

We ran our worst offender out after he was caught cheating on stream at Canadian Nat (going 6-0 in swiss), but I doubt there's a lack of other players like him. The fact that he was generally unpleasant on top of it was just a very bad cherry on that sundae. My solution was always to beat him quickly and be done with him for the day. Thankfully, my son never had to play him...

Yeesh. You did have all the 'fun' players in your local meta, didn't you?

Yes, token watching is going to be fun... particularly with "flipping" of tokens, instead of removing them.

1 minute ago, LagJanson said:

Yeesh. You did have all the 'fun' players in your local meta, didn't you?

Yes, token watching is going to be fun... particularly with "flipping" of tokens, instead of removing them.

Yeah, not sure if I'm a fan of the flippy tokens. It seems like that leaves the door open wider for slight of hand.

2 minutes ago, drjkel said:

To anyone who had local sloppy (or straight up cheating) players with extra munitions and shields, adding extra token types like force and charge is a scary prospect.

The tokens are now double sided so the bookkeeping should be pretty clear rather than a potential shell game (in theory) - much easier to say “hey you forgot to flip your token” rather than “oh you moved your shields barely off your ship where you can bump them back in a minute”. I have no patience for sloppy gamestate stuff though and I have no shame about slapping crit tokens down for other players etc.

I think I'm going to continue to remove tokens instead of flipping them, if only for clarity and making sure I get to it. By end of day I'm very prone to error, and I'd rather maintain some of that muscle memory to reduce the workload.

19 minutes ago, drjkel said:

To anyone who had local sloppy (or straight up cheating) players with extra munitions and shields, adding extra token types like force and charge is a scary prospect.

We ran our worst offender out after he was caught cheating on stream at Canadian Nat (going 6-0 in swiss), but I doubt there's a lack of other players like him. The fact that he was generally unpleasant on top of it was just a very bad cherry on that sundae. My solution was always to beat him quickly and be done with him for the day. Thankfully, my son never had to play him...

Haha, was curious how large of a group "people that went 6-0 at the most recent Canadian Nats" was, and it turns out not very big. A whole 2 people, and Duncan isn't local to you!

16 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I think I'm going to continue to remove tokens instead of flipping them, if only for clarity and making sure I get to it. By end of day I'm very prone to error, and I'd rather maintain some of that muscle memory to reduce the workload.

I just like my neato red shield tokens from 2017 SOS...

22 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

I just like my neato red shield tokens from 2017 SOS...

CHALLENGE COINS

38 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I think I'm going to continue to remove tokens instead of flipping them, if only for clarity and making sure I get to it. By end of day I'm very prone to error, and I'd rather maintain some of that muscle memory to reduce the workload.

I think im gonna do the same. I was enraged the first time I saw somone do flipping on a regen ships, it's a nightmare waiting to happen and it really slows down the game when I have to lean over and stare to figure out the health of every ship every time. Whenever possible I set my damage deck on the opposite side of the board from my pilot cards and put my shields next to the deck when I take shield damage. I'd put all my ship carda in different spots if I could too, we had a guy shuffle damage carde to dead ships from live ones before.

Strongly disagree with you clowns. Being able to look at a ship and see 2 red and 1 blue shield token gives a much clearer board state than counting the number of shield tokens that are present.

It's a nightmare flipping shield tokens now because a faceup/facedown shield are currently similar.

1 minute ago, Brunas said:

It's a nightmare flipping shield tokens now because a faceup/facedown shield are currently similar.

I've marked mine with an itty bitty dot in green on one side, and red on the other. I flip from green to red when I take a hit. Trust me.

2 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Strongly disagree with you clowns. Being able to look at a ship and see 2 red and 1 blue shield token gives a much clearer board state than counting the number of shield tokens that are present.

It's a nightmare flipping shield tokens now because a faceup/facedown shield are currently similar.

BUT MUH 1.0 SHIELD TOKENS!

2 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Strongly disagree with you clowns. Being able to look at a ship and see 2 red and 1 blue shield token gives a much clearer board state than counting the number of shield tokens that are present.

It's a nightmare flipping shield tokens now because a faceup/facedown shield are currently similar.

2 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Strongly disagree with you clowns. Being able to look at a ship and see 2 red and 1 blue shield token gives a much clearer board state than counting the number of shield tokens that are present.

It's a nightmare flipping shield tokens now because a faceup/facedown shield are currently similar.

Absence of shields is evidence of thier absence, I dont need no colors and maths to tell me what's what

2 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Strongly disagree with you clowns. Being able to look at a ship and see 2 red and 1 blue shield token gives a much clearer board state than counting the number of shield tokens that are present.

It's a nightmare flipping shield tokens now because a faceup/facedown shield are currently similar.

I agree.

So krayt bounty if you convince your opponent that you can use Second Edition shield flipping rules in a first edition game with first edition tokens?

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

To be fair, if the game was literally just arcs and X-Wings vs. TIE Fighters, it would be kind of boring.

Yet, it would still be infinitely more interesting than what 1.0 gives us now.

Is anybody else already defaulting to 2.0 rules for barrel rolls?

...and doing the same for Tallon rolls?

Otherwise, it feels like I'm cheating.... mostly cheating myself of a proper game experience.

On the other hand, it's been some good laughs at my store when we "check for target locks" with the intention of doing something else anyway.

"1.0 TRAINING WHEELS!!!!!!!!!"

18 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Strongly disagree with you clowns. Being able to look at a ship and see 2 red and 1 blue shield token gives a much clearer board state than counting the number of shield tokens that are present.

It's a nightmare flipping shield tokens now because a faceup/facedown shield are currently similar.

What if your Shield tokens are Chad Challenge coins, capable of being seen from orbit?

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

Haha, was curious how large of a group "people that went 6-0 at the most recent Canadian Nats" was, and it turns out not very big. A whole 2 people, and Duncan isn't local to you!

Not the most recent one 2 Nationals ago, or maybe 3.

The 2 players that went undefeated were from here, one of them was a great player that could outfly just about anyone, the other one was generally midling, except that time (I wonder why!).

It was discussed here.

3 hours ago, LagJanson said:

My assumption on clusters - they will only be good against low agility targets (no complaints) or in very set squads (force users or Palpatine present to modify results.) - I am ok with being wrong on this, but that's my gut feeling.

Oh man, I just got unreasonably excited about a 4x generic inquisitor swarm dropping 8 shots on the first turn of fire. No idea if the points support it!

2 hours ago, LagJanson said:

Where the heck? Who the.... Maybe a knowledgeable Fenn/Lothal player who can explain to us all the many nuances of the list?

Ghost/Fenn list has just as many arcs as XXXXX, so it’s just as wholesome!

1 hour ago, LagJanson said:

Yeesh. You did have all the 'fun' players in your local meta, didn't you?

Yes, token watching is going to be fun... particularly with "flipping" of tokens, instead of removing them.

I guess it's compounded when the number of active players over the years is relatively small, say 50-60ish over 3 years. A few bad, or annoying, apples really stand out quickly. Our biggest tournaments that didn't draw crowds from outside never broke 30 as far as I know, and our league had, at most, 34 active players in any given season.

3 or 4 bad examples is quickly 10% of the players... Odds of hitting one of that 10% in a 4 round tournament is too high.

1 hour ago, Tlfj200 said:

I just like my neato red shield tokens from 2017 SOS...

So much this. It's a shame I only have 10 and have to use inferior ones with lists with lots of shields. When flipped over they're nearly black, so it's pretty obvious what their state is for casual games.

It's the one acrylic thing I may have paid actual money to get extras.

2 minutes ago, drjkel said:

So much this. It's a shame I only have 10 and have to use inferior ones with lists with lots of shields. When flipped over they're nearly black, so it's pretty obvious what their state is for casual games.

It's the one acrylic thing I may have paid actual money to get extras.

Im still waffling on buying more...

7 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Im still waffling on buying more...

My lack of money and pride of the iron price have prevented me, but its a continual temptation.

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

Strongly disagree with you clowns. Being able to look at a ship and see 2 red and 1 blue shield token gives a much clearer board state than counting the number of shield tokens that are present.

It's a nightmare flipping shield tokens now because a faceup/facedown shield are currently similar.

So we should commission green and red shield tokens so you can't tell when they're flipped?

23 minutes ago, jagsba said:

My lack of money and pride of the iron price have prevented me, but its a continual temptation.

Don't call it Iron Price-

The preferred/best term is "Skill Gotten Gains".