21 minutes ago, __underscore__ said:

If there's one thing I've observed in my dealings with the New Worlders it's that we tend to assume the old adage that they don't do irony.

This, I find, is a mistake. They do irony, but in a manner so blunt and brutal that we barely recognise it as such.

That sounds like the America I know. For some reason it's also a trend that ironic mocking of an idea sounds exactly like actually espousing an idea (because hyperbole/ridiculousness has become extremely common even when people are serious).

Poe's law is real.

5 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

That sounds like the America I know. For some reason it's also a trend that ironic mocking of an idea sounds exactly like actually espousing an idea (because hyperbole/ridiculousness has become extremely common even when people are serious).

This part is definitely true of people's perceptions of us. I find it increasingly difficult to convince people that I actually think something is a good idea. That's probably why if you hit the forum search button and search for the words "unironic" or "unironically", you get several pages of results, most of which are in this thread.

4 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

I find it increasingly difficult to convince people that I actually think something is a good idea.

In the UK we have a secret phrase to get around that issue. We simply call something "not bad".

1 minute ago, __underscore__ said:

In the UK we have a secret phrase to get around that issue. We simply call something "not bad".

Americans don't have the same ear for understatement, as a whole.

6 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

Americans don't have the same ear for understatement, as a whole.

Considering the word literally has been stripped of all meaning in what seems like less than a generation, I have faith in you guys to adapt. ?

1 hour ago, Sunitsa said:

I'm not sure where the whole "tiny european meta" originates, but it's something someone said back in 2016 or something I think. I thought it was from the Krayts, but if you say it wasn't, probably it was from another podcast

But you can't negate even you guys were pretty dismissive of Europe in general. I'm pretty sure it was on Krayts podcast that someone (an Howard? I don't remember) was belittling the players attending last year European because "only in a field of bad players a Leebo Miranda could have won" or something like that.

I don't know if you shared it yourself, but there have been quite some examples of underestimation at best if not even contempt at worst in some american podcasts about European players over time. The fact that FFG stubbornly refuse to move Worlds from Roseville, Minnesota probably doesn't help either, if it isn't the biggest factor itself.

And by "meta", in this regard, I'm not meaning just the lists that get played (which, while similar, aren't actually the same. For example 100 points aces was more common in NA than EU), but the actual players and tournament of the region.

Anyway, #tinyeuropeanmeta is just a meme after all. Especially now that that no american won worlds for the last 3 editions despite being what, 80% of the field?

PS rereading this post I feel like it might sound more salty than I intended to be, it was just a funny banter. The only thing I'm salty about is Worlds been stuck in NA...

Yeah, it wasn’t us about ‘small’ at least - you guys are about half of the data I use for analysis.

As for ‘bad’, underscore captures it best:

1 hour ago, __underscore__ said:

If there's one thing I've observed in my dealings with the New Worlders it's that we tend to assume the old adage that they don't do irony.

This, I find, is a mistake. They do irony, but in a manner so blunt and brutal that we barely recognise it as such.

Like, you’re so ‘bad’ you let a leebo dunk on you (which was simply a variant of dash/Miranda).

As we clarified (as we felt we had to), the Delapinos are clearly good, as they have won with worse variants of lists.

It appears they decided to take off their weighted clothing for worlds...

1 hour ago, Sunitsa said:

The fact that FFG stubbornly refuse to move Worlds from Roseville, Minnesota probably doesn't help either, if it isn't the biggest factor itself.

Anyway, #tinyeuropeanmeta is just a meme after all. Especially now that that no american won worlds for the last 3 editions despite being what, 80% of the field?

Only responding to part, because I think these bits are the most interesting, because I think item A actually leads to item B. Overall, I think the general player skill isn't dependent on region as much as one might be lead to believe: Good players live everywhere. Instead, I think that the result reflect how seriously people take the event. you mention 80% of the field being NA (although probably higher), but how many of those people are taking the event seriously? I know of two locals that went just to have fun, and I'm guessing that after the announcement of 2.0, very few NA players were taking worlds seriously. This would lead to less time spent practicing, and thus an overall worse result. In contrast, the non-NA players had to spend considerable time and effort to attend worlds, and will still take the event seriously - you don't want to fly across the Atlantic (or pacific) to 0-2 drop - it isn't worth it. As a result, the people who practice more win (look at Nathan in the top 4 for even more proof of this). In conclusion, I would theorize that item A leads to item B, and if worlds were held overseas (and it probably won't be for FFG reasons), NA would have a stronger average result there.

Rant 2: I think FFG should host more system opens in Europe, but also keep a good number in the US. don't limit it nearly as much. If this means that OP kits go up a little to pay for flights, I will gladly pay that cost for an increased level of competition (and better streamed content!)

Rant 3: I don't think anyone is inherently "better" at X-wing than anyone else. Take this year as an example: He clearly knew what he was doing, and he also very clearly spent a lot of time practicing. does this make him good? yes. does it make him unstoppable? no. If he switched to ghost/fenn at the beginning of the tournament, I don't think he would have made top 8. Not because he is bad, but because he wouldn't have practiced. Practice is important, and if you want to win you should do it (and it shows how much practice it takes to win worlds).

Rant 4: Why is FFG stream commentary so bad? Like, I don't hate the people doing it - they seem nice- but they clearly haven't played the games. this shows even more in armada, where they didn't even know the rules of the game. FFG has a massive number of streamers popping up, and I think most of them would be willing to commentate worlds in a heartbeat if FFG just gave them tickets to the event. get on it FFG.

Rant 5: think of how lucky we are that every worlds winner has been so nice, on a general level. Like if Paul Heaver wanted to be a raging jerk all the time, he could, and he could probably get away with it because of his skill level. Instead, the community in tournaments seems so nice. I really want to go to a larger tournament now.

2 hours ago, Sunitsa said:

The fact that FFG stubbornly refuse to move Worlds from Roseville, Minnesota probably doesn't help either, if it isn't the biggest factor itself.

If there are players bothered by this, in the US or otherwise, they probably need to just accept it as the way it is for the near future.

They're really not as big a company as most people think (they're already pretty much all hands on deck for Worlds as is) and the tens of thousands of dollars it would cost them to move it somewhere else make the decision easy for them.

24 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

Rant 3: I don't think anyone is inherently "better" at X-wing than anyone else. Take this year as an example: He clearly knew what he was doing, and he also very clearly spent a lot of time practicing. does this make him good? yes. does it make him unstoppable? no. If he switched to ghost/fenn at the beginning of the tournament, I don't think he would have made top 8. Not because he is bad, but because he wouldn't have practiced. Practice is important, and if you want to win you should do it (and it shows how much practice it takes to win worlds).

This is totally true, and we can certainly tell he practiced a lot. The backs of his dials were worn completely white. I know people who have flown TIE Fighters since the game was released and the backs of their dials aren't in that sad of shape. He obviously has flown many, many games with those brobots.

4 hours ago, Kieransi said:

Yesterday while @Do I need a Username, @Janson, @Kaptin Krunch and I were watching Worlds and talking about how lame 1.0 is, I suggested that I might just end up buying four Reapers so that we can play 2.0.

Once Saw's is released, the cards, cardboard, and dials for U-Wings, X-Wings, and Reapers will all be released into the wild, and I'm sure we can find costs we agree on!

we'll show FFG that we're so excited for 2.0 that we're playing it before they release the core!!!

Hey i was there too!

5 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

I agree

My favorite part about this thread is you can tell when someone comes online because you get a bunch of notifications all over the place.

So while we're all online, let me ask a question:

if you were to see one pilot in a new ship, who would it be?

FFG has already announced we're getting Norra in a Y-Wing, right? So who else would you like to see?

I'm going with Wedge in a Captured TIE.

1 minute ago, Kieransi said:

So while we're all online, let me ask a question:

if you were to see one pilot in a new ship, who would it be?

FFG has already announced we're getting Norra in a Y-Wing, right? So who else would you like to see?

I'm going with Wedge in a Captured TIE.

corran in an xwing

Just now, Kieransi said:

if you were to see one pilot in a new ship, who would it be

4 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Already had a cool ability picked out for him:

Maybe bombs won't be as bad in 2.0 though, so I could rethink it a bit.

31 minutes ago, hawk32 said:

corran in an xwing

I cannot like this post enough. OUT WITH THE VONG SERIES, IN WITH THE X-WING SERIES!!!

As a true patrician with good taste-

I want Jar-Jar Binks in a Vong Coralskipper.

Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. This iconic combination needs to show up in the game ASAP. Not the TIE Hunter, not the Skipray Blastboat, not the Scum Falcon, not the Stealthx. Truly, this would be the most important release on X-wing history.

1 minute ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

As a true patrician with good taste-

I want Jar-Jar Binks in a Vong Coralskipper.

Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. This iconic combination needs to show up in the game ASAP. Not the TIE Hunter, not the Skipray Blastboat, not the Scum Falcon, not the Stealthx. Truly, this would be the most important release on X-wing history.

negative. Truly, X-wing can only be complete with tag and bink in a Imperial X-wing.

On 5/3/2018 at 11:08 AM, LagJanson said:

Also, not sure of the point cost. The coordinate action was on the Upsilon and the game didn't break.

It was dangerously close, just unexplored. Intel upsilons lead to sadness that was entirely new to me - I had opponent's checked out of games after two turns.

On 5/4/2018 at 9:58 PM, catachanninja said:

3 and free baby! Only had to play 4.5 games of 1.0 so I think I'm the real worlds winner!

USA USA USA USA USA

5 hours ago, Do I need a Username said:

Rant 5: think of how lucky we are that every worlds winner has been so nice, on a general level. Like if Paul Heaver wanted to be a raging jerk all the time, he could, and he could probably get away with it because of his skill level. Instead, the community in tournaments seems so nice. I really want to go to a larger tournament now.

So much this. We're incredibly lucky to have such a nice community. Sadly the git gud simeon wrong across my chest has faded, but those clowns were a lot of fun. Walking between the x-wing top tables and other events (definitely not destiny) was eye opening.

Also, if anyone know where small european meta comes from let me know, because i've heard a lot of people say it directed at us and it's weird... @Tlfj200 put it about right before - they were clowning on everyone with weighted clothes, then came without them and you can see we had no survivors...

Bonus points to whoever twitch clipped the epic duncan smackdown, if you did.

5 hours ago, Brunas said:

was dangerously close, just unexplored. Intel upsilons lead to sadness that was entirely new to me - I had opponent's checked out of games after two turns.

On May 4, 2018 at 9:58 PM, catachanninja said:

It's been around longer in epic too, and it is powerful, just kept in check by a high price point. The Sheathipede was too cheap, too high a PS value, and way too good an ability on one ship.

That said, I will trust your opinion on the Upsilon. You likely put more time in it than any locals here.

5 hours ago, Brunas said:

It was dangerously close, just unexplored. Intel upsilons lead to sadness that was entirely new to me - I had opponent's checked out of games after two turns.

USA USA USA USA USA

So much this. We're incredibly lucky to have such a nice community. Sadly the git gud simeon wrong across my chest has faded, but those clowns were a lot of fun. Walking between the x-wing top tables and other events (definitely not destiny) was eye opening.

Also, if anyone know where small european meta comes from let me know, because i've heard a lot of people say it directed at us and it's weird... @Tlfj200 put it about right before - they were clowning on everyone with weighted clothes, then came without them and you can see we had no survivors...

Bonus points to whoever twitch clipped the epic duncan smackdown, if you did.

I’m 90% sure it’s Mynock during their regional recaps last year (not the most recent season), and I think it was mostly in jest as they were reacting to the difference in metas in one of the regionals.

9 hours ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

As a true patrician with good taste-

I want Jar-Jar Binks in a Vong Coralskipper.

That would be the most popular target on the board, that's for sure.

9 hours ago, Brunas said:

It was dangerously close, just unexplored. Intel upsilons lead to sadness that was entirely new to me - I had opponent's checked out of games after two turns.

I assume Advanced Sensor Stridan + Quiz? Coordinate Quiz after burgling their agency via Intel and turn him into the most frustrating blocker in the game?