30 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

This saddens me... But I can no longer say it shocks me.

See but it also scares me, because I have a regional there in a week. I don't want to play in a culture where people are threatening others with bodily harm over someone else making a cut. When did this stop being about having fun and more about winning?

Man, off topic thread needs a lighthearted topic.

Is youngster rage ocho meme-y enough for a System Open hangar bay? If anyone is in Chicago, say hi to the guy in the gray “Lake Superior Squadron” baseball cap.

1 minute ago, AEIllingworth said:

Is youngster rage ocho meme-y enough for a System Open hangar bay?

Only if your other list is 5x T-65s. Get that Krayt Bounty.

2 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

Only if your other list is 5x T-65s. Get that Krayt Bounty.

I've got to make my list more illegal than the IL regional where I made cut with a 108 point list.

109 points it is!

If you have an illegal list and get an invite, hit me up. I'll be the guy who isn't TZMCKP without volume control giving out all of the cards.

12 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:

Man, off topic thread needs a lighthearted topic.

1 minute ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

I've got to make my list more illegal than the IL regional where I made cut with a 108 point list.

109 points it is!

If you have an illegal list and get an invite, hit me up. I'll be the guy who isn't TZMCKP without volume control giving out all of the cards.

I suggest 5x rookie pilots with R5-X3 (Who is unique, so bonus points) and munitions failsafe. No one will call you on it, because it won't win much. Really funny however.

3 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

He's not mad... He's just disappointed.

I'm not sure that's accurate.

18 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

See but it also scares me, because I have a regional there in a week. I don't want to play in a culture where people are threatening others with bodily harm over someone else making a cut. When did this stop being about having fun and more about winning?

The culture hasn't changed because of an individual. The culture changes when that behaviour is accepted, or expected by the majority.

7 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

I've got to make my list more illegal than the IL regional where I made cut with a 108 point list.

109 points it is!

If you have an illegal list and get an invite, hit me up. I'll be the guy who isn't TZMCKP without volume control giving out all of the cards.

Well, you got me beat. My record sheet had Twin Laser Tequila shooters written on it, costing six points each.

3 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

The culture hasn't changed because of an individual. The culture changes when that behaviour is accepted, or expected by the majority.

That's fair, this is just the first real sign of it for me in the local scene, and the most drastic example I have heard.

So... If one were to start learning arc dodging techniques, where would you start in this day of age? I'm not talking top level meta here, just learning how to fly. Is Fel the starting point or the ending point?

1 minute ago, LagJanson said:

So... If one were to start learning arc dodging techniques, where would you start in this day of age? I'm not talking top level meta here, just learning how to fly. Is Fel the starting point or the ending point?

Put Kylo silencer and two tie strikers on the table for your next 50 games. Or just run Kylo/Vader with a freedom bid.

Edit: never mind.

7 hours ago, AlexW said:

How does this challenge our feelings?

Because a common sentiment is that GhostFenn is ‚everywhere‘. I for one did not realize that T70s are more prevalent, or Shadowcasters are almost as frequently played. Or that really every second imperial list has a quickdraw.

7 hours ago, AlexW said:

Frequency of appearance of ships in a squad is, imo, not a good way to look at things. It skews towards lower costs ships that can fit into multiple squad archetypes.

It captures how often you see a ship on the mat. That‘s what it‘s supposed to do, and that‘s what it does. People are putting Fenn into every list because he‘s low cost and can fit into multiple squad archetypes. And often "at least 1" makes sense for other questions, too. For example how often turrets or large base turrets are used. (edit: And the main difference is for generics, anyway. Gunboats have popular squads with 1, 2, or 3 of them. How else would you count them? I mean, I do also give the raw number, but those 391 are misleading when they are used in 208 different squads. "At least 1" tells you how often you'll see a gunboat when set up accross an imperial list (with 37%) or any list (11%). That is about as often as you set up against a GhostFenn, funnily enough.)

What else do you think it does/should show? I am open for interesting questions.

Total squad number is coming from the same 49 regionals since after the Nym nerf, so from January 26th. I did not limit it to eg the last 2 weeks. Limiting to 16 regionals since March 2nd gives 525 squads with more Fenn/Ezra (69 and 36, resp.), more Autitucks, slightly fewer GhostFenn, more Vader, more Lambda, more Jumpmaster, fewer Starvipers, more Brobots.

Edit: and bonus, limited to cuts in the last 2 weeks:

If anything, I was expecting more Ghost Fenn after Traj Sim nerf. That came out as a surprise.

Can you give us the same graphs, but with % about the whole field and not just in-faction %?

40 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

If anything, I was expecting more Ghost Fenn after Traj Sim nerf. That came out as a surprise.

Can you give us the same graphs, but with % about the whole field and not just in-faction %?

Maybe I‘m misunderstanding, but just to make sure:

EVERYTHING I show is after the TrajSim nerf! I don‘t have anything from before. The ‚overall‘ is also after, from January 26th to March 11th, total 49 regionals. The ‚last 2 weeks‘ is March 3rd to March 11th, so 4 weekend days with 16 regionals.

Do you want the whole field % from a certain timeframe, and for cut or swiss?

2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Maybe I‘m misunderstanding, but just to make sure:

EVERYTHING I show is after the TrajSim nerf! I don‘t have anything from before. The ‚overall‘ is also after, from January 26th to March 11th, total 49 regionals. The ‚last 2 weeks‘ is March 3rd to March 11th, so 4 weekend days with 16 regionals.

Do you want the whole field % from a certain timeframe, and for cut or swiss?

I probably expressed myself poorly since I didn't keep count on when Traj Sim happened. I was just expecting to see more Ghost Fenn in the latest graphs you posted that account for the meta of this month than in the previous one.

I would like to see those exact same graphs, but instead of % of the same faction, % of the overall field (sheatipede is 40% of rebel lists, but overall it's what % regarding the march 2nd meta?)

Here you go, the only change is the label on each bar, now showing % of the field instead of faction

for the swiss

And for the cut

Awesome - thank you for asking the question - "What was going on in your head when Paul called?"

5 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Because a common sentiment is that GhostFenn is ‚everywhere‘. I for one did not realize that T70s are more prevalent, or Shadowcasters are almost as frequently played. Or that really every second imperial list has a quickdraw.

I actually don't think that is most people's concern with GhostFenn. However, if you've heard this argument you did clear up what you are asking and I'd agree that the way you parsed the data does get at that to some degree.

5 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

At least 1" tells you how often you'll see a gunboat when set up accross an imperial list (with 37%) or any list (11%). That is about as often as you set up against a GhostFenn, funnily enough.)

This is the reason I say "to some degree" because flat percentage would really only apply to the first round of a tournament. After that, success rate of a list would important to figure out how ubiquitous it is in later rounds, where it's likely better lists make up a larger portion of those with a winning record and worse lists make up a larger percentage of the lower half. I'm not requesting you try and figure out a way to represent this as I realize it's a lot of work. I'm just pointing it out because it's likely that people could be judging how often they face a list is based on where they are in the standings.

I'm really not trying to poke holes in your efforts here, so I apologize if it comes across like that. I think that it's good information, but I wasn't clear on what "feeling" you were addressing.

In terms of the "count of Americans" that went to Canadian Nationals, a solid group of my local squad mates went to get revenge for Canada taking MI. Three of them plus Phildo made the "day 2," but unfortunately none of them made the top 8. One of the Howards played one of my guys and final salvoed 4 times before they had a final winner. MI tried, but had to leave Canada to the Nation of Howards.

34 minutes ago, AlexW said:

This is the reason I say "to some degree" because flat percentage would really only apply to the first round of a tournament. After that, success rate of a list would important to figure out how ubiquitous it is in later rounds, where it's likely better lists make up a larger portion of those with a winning record and worse lists make up a larger percentage of the lower half. I'm not requesting you try and figure out a way to represent this as I realize it's a lot of work. I'm just pointing it out because it's likely that people could be judging how often they face a list is based on where they are in the standings.

You're completely correct.
The only information I have is the amount of wins and losses, not from matchups (vassal league does have that information, it's pretty cool there!).

Anyway, it needs to be cross referenced with other data, and everything together helps to inform your opinion. It is an improvement from "I saw a lot of GhostFenn, it was basically everywhere!"

34 minutes ago, AlexW said:

I'm really not trying to poke holes in your efforts here, so I apologize if it comes across like that.

Don't worry, it didn't. In fact, I'm happy about everyone trying and succeeding to find holes. The last plot had a mistake because I didn't switch a reference from overall to cut, and I just realized after posting, hence the edit.

The things thrown into this thread should be fine, but they might still contain errors. So I encourage everyone to look for and tell me about suspect findings. It might be because of an error.
Last week I found a Kylo with a mangler cannon. What happened was that the second cannon (cannon nr 3.1) of a Gunboat was falsely assigned to the ship nr1 because I use the last character of the slot name to identify the correct ship. Now that too is fixed, and I hope that there are not many similar errors remaining. (My solution was to make sure that each slot identifier has 3 letters. That means the 5th character is always the ship number, eg ept_1. So far it works)

45 minutes ago, RStan said:

In terms of the "count of Americans" that went to Canadian Nationals, a solid group of my local squad mates went to get revenge for Canada taking MI. Three of them plus Phildo made the "day 2," but unfortunately none of them made the top 8. One of the Howards played one of my guys and final salvoed 4 times before they had a final winner. MI tried, but had to leave Canada to the Nation of Howards.

You guys the Rad Squadron group that invaded?

Just now, LagJanson said:

You guys the Rad Squadron group that invaded?

No, Lars Squad. I've actually never heard of Rad Squadron in MI. Nikko Leggett and Matt Ciaramitaro made it into Day 2 for Lars Squad along with Phildo (Rook Squad) and Kyle (another local) in terms of who I know from MI that made it into Day 2.