So assuming worst case scenario, what's your meme-iest meme list?

30 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

So assuming worst case scenario, what's your meme-iest meme list?

Unironic Crackswarm.

Crackswarm may actually have the punching power to straight joust the VCX, and number of ships to deal with Fenn's shenanigans. Park Howl, Zeta, and 4 blacks at range 1 of the thing and blow it away?

The issue is that this assumes that the ghost player decides to joust you.

36 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

So assuming worst case scenario, what's your meme-iest meme list?

Anything that came with the rebel transport that wasn’t Wes or r3-a2, anything that came with the e-wing that wasn’t Corran Pilot, any interceptor aside from Soontir or Carnor, anything from wave 6 or before. Anything thematic but not from the rebels cartoon.

Pick your oyster, look for pearls.

I’m leaning towards a U-wing and three y-wings. BTL and ops spec and see if I can get 11 focus tokens on four ships. Sensor Jammer that.

5 hours ago, catachanninja said:

I disagree?

The world is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost; for none now live who remember it. It began with the forging of the great wings: three were given to the Krayts, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the OCX Lords; great fighters and craftsman of the beer halls. And nine, nine wings were gifted to the race of casuals, who above all else desire power. For within these wings was bound the strength and will to govern each meta. But they were all of them deceived, for another wing was made: in the land of Minnesota, in the fires of Mount Lothal, the dark lord Fenn forged, in secret, a master Wing to control all others. And into this Wing he poured his cruelty, his malice,and his will to dominate all life.

One Wing to Rule them All.

One by one the free lands of Middle Tables fell to the power of the Wing. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of Men and Krayts marched against the armies of Fenn. And on the slopes of Mount Lothal, they fought for the freedom of the Middle Tables. Victory was near; but the power of the Wing could not be undone. (Cue Fell's wrath and the fall of King Soontir).

5 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

the HOTAC but or the Bomb ****? Because the Bomb **** bit is easy. Also, it looks like the OP has been edited at least twice - once by FFGJosh and once by FFGsysops with a possible addition by SM5K.

On 7/24/2017 at 6:04 PM, SaltMaster 5000 said:

They say nothing but true things.

They speak plainly without euphemisms or sugar coating.

They make jokes that are actually funny.

I've only listened to their most recent podcast about the wave 11 meta.

***

I have no horse in this race, don't particularly care, and have no opinion on the subject, but I have to ask, do you work for the White House?

8 minutes ago, Deathseed said:

I have no horse in this race, don't particularly care, and have no opinion on the subject, but I have to ask, do you work for the White House?

He probably won't respond. This thread has long since forgotten that comment, and in many ways moved past it. It has evolved to try and keep pace, but alas, it has failed. We are the light in the darkness, the T-65 in the TLT spam, the one hope for competitive X-wing to be fun again.

the painting and modification sub-forum is pretty cool too however. Seem to have a lot of fun.

26 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

He probably won't respond. This thread has long since forgotten that comment, and in many ways moved past it. It has evolved to try and keep pace, but alas, it has failed. We are the light in the darkness, the T-65 in the TLT spam, the one hope for competitive X-wing to be fun again.

the painting and modification sub-forum is pretty cool too however. Seem to have a lot of fun.

HEY!

You need a username!

Time for yet another dumb question for the superior analysts hiding in this place...

Are concussion missiles a decent call these days? I realize harpoons are wonderful pieces of tech, but if you're squared off against Fenn Rau who negates your ability to modify them with the tokens you saved up, your choice is to hold the missile for another round or blind fire the danged thing anyway. At least a concussion missile can self-modify a blank to a hit. It seems inferior in nearly all other match ups, but versus any combination of list with Fenn Rau acting as support it seems in my non-math gut-feels like a pretty decent choice.

11 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

Time for yet another dumb question for the superior analysts hiding in this place...

Are concussion missiles a decent call these days? I realize harpoons are wonderful pieces of tech, but if you're squared off against Fenn Rau who negates your ability to modify them with the tokens you saved up, your choice is to hold the missile for another round or blind fire the danged thing anyway. At least a concussion missile can self-modify a blank to a hit. It seems inferior in nearly all other match ups, but versus any combination of list with Fenn Rau acting as support it seems in my non-math gut-feels like a pretty decent choice.

I've certainly considered Concussion Missiles in the Fenn Rau meta. On ships that pack A Score To Settle or Expertise, your odds of 4 hits without tokens are pretty solid.

I agree ... concussions plus chips is almost certainly 3/4 hits and bypasses Fenn bull.

50 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

I've certainly considered Concussion Missiles in the Fenn Rau meta. On ships that pack A Score To Settle or Expertise, your odds of 4 hits without tokens are pretty solid.

I feel like once you start compromising to include Expertise etc you kinda dont need the ordinance anymore, at least on Quickdraw. Depends on the platform. I could see using Concussions on rhoboats for sure.

45 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

I've certainly considered Concussion Missiles in the Fenn Rau meta. On ships that pack A Score To Settle or Expertise, your odds of 4 hits without tokens are pretty solid.

59% actually, and that is with chips. If you ALSO manage to get Expertise on there, your odds go up to 95%, so a definite improvement, STS adds has a 875% chance for four, one of which is almost certain a crit. The question not becomes: Who can take all of this, AND get defensive stuff to not die to 4 TLTs a round. Might mean this is thing: http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!269:220,-1,13:-1:25:;269:220,-1,13:-1:25:;70:220,22,-1:34:-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

Suicide your gunboats to the ghost if need be, and have vessery be the cleanup detail.

3 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

59% actually, and that is with chips. If you ALSO manage to get Expertise on there, your odds go up to 95%, so a definite improvement, STS adds has a 875% chance for four, one of which is almost certain a crit. The question not becomes: Who can take all of this, AND get defensive stuff to not die to 4 TLTs a round. Might mean this is thing: http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic Empire&d=v4!s!269:220,-1,13:-1:25:;269:220,-1,13:-1:25:;70:220,22,-1:34:-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

Suicide your gunboats to the ghost if need be, and have vessery be the cleanup detail.

What's funny is that if you replace Vessery with Maarek, you will have inadvertently created the absolute perfect GUNBOAT theme list.

Finally....I am acquiring....

Getting Palpatine crew finally into my X-Wing arsenal. I'm so in on trying all the Palp aces types for a long time. Even really considering Soontir Fel for an upcoming Regional for funs!

14 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

59% actually, and that is with chips.

Worth noting that the 59% compares to 77% of focus+TL Harpoons if there is no Fenn. But considering the question, you should compare it to the 6.25% if Fenn is present and using the ability.

Maybe more interesting are the numbers for at least 3 hits: 31.25% Harpoons with Fenn, 90.6% Concussions with Fenn, and 98% Harpoons without Fenn.

Looks like Concussions are a good call in a meta where so many lists use Fenn.

Calls for GuidanceChips though, so no LRS, LWF, or EU. That means Deadeye or high PS is necessary. Which probably alters most builds quite a bit. Also, Deadeye as answer to HSCP Fenn sucks...

Personally I‘d threaten 3 missiles and just not use the one that‘s naked.

20 minutes ago, RStan said:

Finally....I am acquiring....

Getting Palpatine crew finally into my X-Wing arsenal. I'm so in on trying all the Palp aces types for a long time. Even really considering Soontir Fel for an upcoming Regional for funs!

The first time I used Palp Crew with Whisper or Vader my mind exploded. I knew what it could do but until I actually used it...it was definitely one of those "wait I can do what now?" moments.

The Tie Reaper is such an exciting new ship for the Empire. Krennic, Palp, Kylo Crew...all of it...on a ship that might move

It fits right into my play style which is usually 2x Ace + Support and a dream.

So, I was thinking earlier about this place's wholesomeness, and I realized that I have in fact been correct in referring to this thread as the Krayt Subforum. Because there's honestly absolutely zero overarching theme to this thread, it's more like there's a dozen threads going on simultaneously, and as of now, there's way more posts in here than in two of the actual subforums put together!

And I've begun to notice that not only is there a plethora of "general" and "off-topic" discussion in here, but I've actually seen "battle reports", "organized play" discussion, a few "rules questions", some "painting and modification", plenty of "squad lists", some "epic play", and even one or two discussions of "mission control technical support and feedback".

I'm pretty sure that the Krayt thread just is the X-Wing forum at this point, but a friendlier and more wholesome version of it.

21 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

I'm pretty sure that the Krayt thread just is the X-Wing forum at this point, but a friendlier and more wholesome version of it.

I'm pretty sure we're doing something wrong then...

6 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I'm pretty sure we're doing something wrong then...

Right? It's like some kind of weird X-Wing Twilight Zone episode...

1 hour ago, RStan said:

Finally....I am acquiring....

Getting Palpatine crew finally into my X-Wing arsenal. I'm so in on trying all the Palp aces types for a long time. Even really considering Soontir Fel for an upcoming Regional for funs!

I flew my own version of Palp Aces for the first time the other day at my flgs and 100-0 someone.

The Dark Side is very seductive.

@Tlfj200 have you tried my jank? It does well vs ghost fenn. I would also recommend fairest ship, it also is very effective.

Also yall I played 3 people who made the cut at a worlds and a regional winner. It wasn't just a 10 player tournament.

On 2/18/2018 at 10:50 AM, catachanninja said:

Let us know how we're supposed to attack it plz

I thought by now we would have seen a shift in the meta as strategies to beat Ghost/Fenn evolved.

If I am honest with myself, when I posted this I had great faith in my ability to outfly Ghost/Fenn...or win at X-Wing. Turns out I need to Git Gud and accept our new Overlord. Back to Listener 4, I guess.

I want to address one more thing from the episode. You guys kind of belittled Omega Leader as a counter to the Ghost. I've been one of those people that has spoken in favor of Omega Leader in that scenario, and I don't think you guys really understood the argument.

It's never been that OL is a hard counter to the Ghost, or that she can solo a Ghost. She can't, and from a game design perspective absolutely shouldn't. It's that she can fly in dangerous places to be problematic with a good expectation of return on investment.

Compare with Fel or Inquisitor, who are your game winners in that scenario. They occupy real estate that is put of arc or at Range 3 to maximize their defense. Omega Leader can play more aggressively and occupy positions that might end up in Range 1-2, and still take a lot of work to kill, especially if you can get a rock in the way. Damage output isn't great, but it does matter. If OL is damage free, you're okay to spend the Focus on offense, because OL is not your game winner. Furthermore, if the Ghost is maneuvering to maximize against your game winners, OL can be afforded opportunities to get in the safe zone and get Range 1 shots without being overly concerned about getting caught in a bad position. This ability to press the attack a bit more aggressively translates to more hit points off the Ghost, and a faster track to half points on the beast.

So no, OL is absolutely not a silver bullet, but she is effective for her points against the Ghost, which is notable in itself.