I guess we will have to wait until the "Minnesota Regionals" to see if Sloane is OP.

16 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I do find the quasar defenderball a little intimidating.... they shred squads and cannot get a bad roll on ships...

Agree with this. Sloane Interceptors plus Stronghold, Howlrunner, Dengar and Flight Controllers can eat a mass of squadrons, generic, brace or scatter, very quickly before moving onto ships.

Certainly not jumping on the nerf band wagon - taking out the carrier/ Sloane's chariot seems a nice solution/mission for a flanking Admo , but those beefed up Interceptors with Sloane also shouldn't be so easily written off. For her points Sloane is excellent - easily in my top 3 Imperial admirals id rather not face.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

I didn't take many Rebel Aces in the First Place.

And when I take aces, they're Brace Aces. Double Brace. Who, even in the usual case, are dead before they've spent all of their Braces anyway...

... So its 26 points spent by the enemy for absolutely no Skin off my nose.

Now, for a scatter ace? It makes a huge difference... But really I don't get many of those as a Rebel Player... Mostly Double Brace Aces...

I've found the impact on scatter aces EXTREMELY negligible actually. Thing is, if you are bringing Sloane, you are bringing bit hitting anti-squads. Those big hitting anti-squads, like a FC boosted howl ball, are throwing 4-6 dice each with a reroll. Most of the time they just roll a scatter ace in 2 shots anyway, 3 on the outside. Just like they used to. A lot of people's reaction to Sloane is 'holy crap, people are bringing imperial AA lists again, run bombers run!'. They've forgotten how devastating those were anti-squad because rebel squads were busy having a hay-day for the last bit.

Just now, Darthain said:

I've found the impact on scatter aces EXTREMELY negligible actually. Thing is, if you are bringing Sloane, you are bringing bit hitting anti-squads. Those big hitting anti-squads, like a FC boosted howl ball, are throwing 4-6 dice each with a reroll. Most of the time they just roll a scatter ace in 2 shots anyway, 3 on the outside. Just like they used to. A lot of people's reaction to Sloane is 'holy crap, people are bringing imperial AA lists again, run bombers run!'. They've forgotten how devastating those were anti-squad because rebel squads were busy having a hay-day for the last bit.

Yep, it hurts more when its just the single TIE throwing 2 dice through a jamming field, popping on a ACC+Crit that normally would do nothing, but still spends the ever-valuable Scatter.

Again, its not a great effect, but losing that scatter just seems to hurt more than losing the redundant brace. If we ever got a squad with scatter/scatter, I'd probably feel the same way as I do with Brace-aces.

Just now, Drasnighta said:

Yep, it hurts more when its just the single TIE throwing 2 dice through a jamming field, popping on a ACC+Crit that normally would do nothing, but still spends the ever-valuable Scatter.

Again, its not a great effect, but losing that scatter just seems to hurt more than losing the redundant brace. If we ever got a squad with scatter/scatter, I'd probably feel the same way as I do with Brace-aces.

The good old emotional knee-jerk. say 2 interceptors attack a scatter ace with FC/howl. Thats 6 avg dmg, and 3 more dice each in the balance (4 coating swarm), no reason that shouldn't delete any scatter ace, Sloane note required. There is a lot of emotion about how Sloane is stripping some autonomy from the defender I think, more than anything. People don't like options being withheld from them under any circumstance, and this one 'feels' like more than the super-accuracy that it is in the squad game (which ultimately has very little effect on the outcome, aside from improving a wiff slightly as you suggest). Whether that change is actually telling often is another story altogether, but people get caught on the action, not the result.

Incidentally, I completely agree - I don't judge Sloane at all on what she does Squadron-on-Squadron, as you say, when the Imps want to do that, they do that, and they're good at it.

I only ever consider Sloane's ability Squadron-to-Ship, really.

I guess my point at the start was "An Improvement is an Improvement, no matter how Minuscule"

1 hour ago, xerpo said:

They dont make them useless, they make them less effective. Besides I brught up IG for your mention on Jan Ors, not those two. IG is just another nail in the coffin that is Sloane, because you see, is not just Sloane, is everthing behind her that already exsisted and apparently FFG didn't realize how that alltogether could actually be an OP thing. I mean, they have testers right? Do they?

I'm pretty sure they do. Probably why IG88 himself doesn't benefit from Sloane's ability. Honestly, kind of wierd point in a sloane post.

16 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Incidentally, I completely agree - I don't judge Sloane at all on what she does Squadron-on-Squadron, as you say, when the Imps want to do that, they do that, and they're good at it.

I only ever consider Sloane's ability Squadron-to-Ship, really.

I guess my point at the start was "An Improvement is an Improvement, no matter how Minuscule"

we 100% agree. And it is a great ability to gain, no doubt. If anything though, it makes the squadron game even more important as Imps can push in a different way than a std bomber list, ergo protecting their squad game AND punishing with it. It is a neat archaetype, built mostly around highly squishable squads albeit (eat flak!)

45 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I'm pretty sure they do. Probably why IG88 himself doesn't benefit from Sloane's ability. Honestly, kind of wierd point in a sloane post.

Then youre not seeing beyond the tree in front of you. IG is avoiding Tokens while the rest of the whole mass of CHEAP and SCATTER aces combos (ciena, soontir, mithel, velen, howlrunner, dengar) can tare apart any generic squadron composition, now with Sloane they can ALSO tare apart aces compositions in a single blow. And if that was not enough, when done, they can start pushing your ships quite efficiently. If you care to add IG to the mix you are just taring apart the last line of defense who seems to be Jan Ors escorted.

What you just did is called "quote out of context". It's is a common fallacy, don't blame yourself. Did you cared to read the whole trade of posts with @geek19 or just brought this statement of mine out of context so you can argue on it your way? Because if you did read it you already would know what my "wierd" point is.

6 minutes ago, xerpo said:

Then youre not seeing beyond the tree in front of you. IG is avoiding T okens while the rest of the whole mass of CHEAP and SCATTER aces combos ( c iena, s oontir, m ithel, ve len, h owlrunner, d engar) can tare apart any generic squadron composition, now with Sloane they can ALSO tare apart aces compositions in a single blow. And if that was not enough, when done, they can start pushing* your ships quite efficiently. If you care to add IG to the mix you are just taring apart the last line of defense who seems to be Jan Ors escorted.

What you just did is called "quote out of context". It's is a common fallacy, don't blame yourself. Did you cared to read the whole trade of posts with @geek19 or just brought this statement of mine out of context so you can argue on it your way? Because if you did read it you already would know what my "wierd" point is.

You have to respect the stone cold brass balls it takes to make fun of someone else's typo when your own spelling and grammar are atrocious.

*I assume that was meant to be "punishing" because "pushing" a ship doesn't really mean anything. Pushing them where? That's the only uncertainty I had amongst the sea of incorrect words ("tare" should be "tear," "trade" should be "tirade," etc.), absent apostrophes in contractions, missing capitalization for proper nouns and incorrect tenses.

18 minutes ago, Snipafist said:

You have to respect the stone cold brass balls it takes to make fun of someone else's typo when your own spelling and grammar are atrocious.

*I assume that was meant to be "punishing" because "pushing" a ship doesn't really mean anything. Pushing them where? That's the only uncertainty I had amongst the sea of incorrect words ("tare" should be "tear," "trade" should be "tirade," etc.), absent apostrophes in contractions, missing capitalization for proper nouns and incorrect tenses.

Shall we adopt a new verb? Something that encompasses the high and mighty attitude of the world's greatest armada player, all who disagree are merely wrong, and lack skill! I mean, we can already Admiral Nelson something, or Ben it. Is this the next thing?

3 minutes ago, Darthain said:

Shall we adopt a new verb? Something that encompasses the high and mighty attitude of the world's greatest armada player, all who disagree are merely wrong, and lack skill! I mean, we can already Admiral Nelson something, or Ben it. Is this the next thing?

Xerpo-ing? Xerpoing? Xerpoed?

56 minutes ago, xerpo said:

Then youre not seeing beyond the tree in front of you. IG is avoiding Tokens while the rest of the whole mass of CHEAP and SCATTER aces combos (ciena, soontir, mithel, velen, howlrunner, dengar) can tare apart any generic squadron composition, now with Sloane they can ALSO tare apart aces compositions in a single blow. And if that was not enough, when done, they can start pushing your ships quite efficiently. If you care to add IG to the mix you are just taring apart the last line of defense who seems to be Jan Ors escorted.

What you just did is called "quote out of context". It's is a common fallacy, don't blame yourself. Did you cared to read the whole trade of posts with @geek19 or just brought this statement of mine out of context so you can argue on it your way? Because if you did read it you already would know what my "wierd" point is.

That's not Sloane though. That's a quasar with flight controllers. I watched 2 a wings of mine evaporate last night under howlrunner, flight controllers, and a quasar activation. Shara was the first to die and didn't even take any TIEs with her (stupid accuracy). Yeah it was horrifying watching it happen, and I can't believe JERRJERROD had that ready to go. Even scatter aces die to 6 swarming with even more dice TIE attacks, which is what I faced last night. It's not a Sloane thing.

All Sloane does is make it so your TIE attacks against ships after they mop up your fighter force are still viable reasons to bring them. She makes it so a fighter force of Tycho/Shara or Ciena/Valen isn't really enough anymore. To which I say GOOD.

Is the ability to double spend your brace scary? Sure is. But the question you then have to ask is "why did she get to attack my ship with a squillion TIEs in the first place? Why didn't I bring viable CAP to defend my big ship with only one brace token? Why didn't I activate my own squadrons to attack hers?" She's got (if I'm doing math right) a 25% chance of an accuracy the first roll and a 6.25% chance of getting a crit that rerolls into an accuracy (2/8*2/8). It's a thing, but she doesn't get to reroll hits, which has a 50% chance of happening and a (2/8*4/8) 12.5% chance the second roll.

Meanwhile, TIEs still die to a stiff breeze, so hit them with it and flak and several squadrons. Imp Scatter aces hard to kill? Overload their defense tokens with your own squadrons and flak, or lock down their tokens with an accuracy you roll. Nothing is impossible to kill, just keep putting more pressure on them.

And if the Sloane player has invested 134 points into scatter aces and a quasar to push them, that's roughly 230-240 points with Sloane included. What's the rest of the list? If it has Demolisher, you're at 330 and we're now back to a thread about how do I fight flotillas because that's all the other player can fit in.

If it's an ISD, then you're at 360 and I'm chomping at the bit to fight this list with like 3, maaaaaybe 4 activations. Wait them out, flak their dumb squadrons, hit the ISD with everything you've got. There, "etc" expanded.

45 minutes ago, Snipafist said:

You have to respect the stone cold brass balls it takes to make fun of someone else's typo when your own spelling and grammar are atrocious.

*I assume that was meant to be "punishing" because "pushing" a ship doesn't really mean anything. Pushing them where? That's the only uncertainty I had amongst the sea of incorrect words ("tare" should be "tear," "trade" should be "tirade," etc.), absent apostrophes in contractions, missing capitalization for proper nouns and incorrect tenses.

Oh so sorry for my bad spelling.

First. It was not a typo correction. It was a logical argumentation correction, wich does not require a perfect typo spelling? as long as you are understood.

Second. English is not my native language. The fact that I can actually correct someone about properly carrying an organized and structured discussion in his own language (I'm assuming now) just proves my stone cold brass balls (thanks for that idiom, I learn something new everyday) are right where they belong. After all, I'm beating you in your own court.

Third. Using that argument against a non-native English speaker (writter in this case, I don't want you to get cranky) is really creeping? I dare you to try to express yourself in my own language (Spanish), please avoid fiesta, cerveza and toros.

1 hour ago, xerpo said:

Then youre not seeing beyond the tree in front of you. IG is avoiding Tokens while the rest of the whole mass of CHEAP and SCATTER aces combos (ciena, soontir, mithel, velen, howlrunner, dengar) can tare apart any generic squadron composition, now with Sloane they can ALSO tare apart aces compositions in a single blow. And if that was not enough, when done, they can start pushing your ships quite efficiently. If you care to add IG to the mix you are just taring apart the last line of defense who seems to be Jan Ors escorted.

What you just did is called "quote out of context". It's is a common fallacy, don't blame yourself. Did you cared to read the whole trade of posts with @geek19 or just brought this statement of mine out of context so you can argue on it your way? Because if you did read it you already would know what my "wierd" point is.

Oh I read the rest. I simply didn't feel a need to argue points Geek was already handling.

20 minutes ago, xerpo said:

Oh so sorry for my bad spelling.

First. It was not a typo correction. It was a logical argumentation correction, wich does not require a perfect typo spelling? as long as you are understood.

Second. English is not my native language. The fact that I can actually correct someone about properly carrying an organized and structured discussion in his own language (I'm assuming now) just proves my stone cold brass balls (thanks for that idiom, I learn something new everyday) are right where they belong. After all, I'm beating you in your own court.

Third. Using that argument against a non-native English speaker (writter in this case, I don't want you to get cranky) is really creeping? I dare you to try to express yourself in my own language (Spanish), please avoid fiesta, cerveza and toros.

13 minutes ago, geek19 said:

That's not Sloane though. That's a quasar with flight controllers. I watched 2 a wings of mine evaporate last night under howlrunner, flight controllers, and a quasar activation. Shara was the first to die and didn't even take any TIEs with her (stupid accuracy). Yeah it was horrifying watching it happen, and I can't believe JERRJERROD had that ready to go. Even scatter aces die to 6 swarming with even more dice TIE attacks, which is what I faced last night. It's not a Sloane thing.

Well I'm so sorry this happened to you. What exactly added JJ to this game? I mean, if it was Sloane flying that list it would have been WAY more horrifying to see. As I was previously saying, it is not Sloane alone, its all you can build around her that is OP. I mentioned the nails, well the top of the Sloane's coffin is the Quasar itself.

17 minutes ago, geek19 said:

All Sloane does is make it so your TIE attacks against ships after they mop up your fighter force are still viable reasons to bring them. She makes it so a fighter force of Tycho/Shara or Ciena/Valen isn't really enough anymore.

Thats exactly why she is so overpowered. As imperial why would you bother on specialized bomber lists? You can go full antisquadron, win the fighter game EASY, there is no chance against a speed 4-5, 6 blue dice, reroll, 6 activations alpha, UNLESS you rely on aces that can buy you time, like Shara or Thyco. Before Sloane they actually had a chance to buy a couple of turns. Now they are gone FOR GOOD.

24 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Is the ability to double spend your brace scary? Sure is. But the question you then have to ask is "why did she get to attack my ship with a squillion TIEs in the first place? Why didn't I bring viable CAP to defend my big ship with only one brace token? Why didn't I activate my own squadrons to attack hers?" She's got (if I'm doing math right) a 25% chance of an accuracy the first roll and a 6.25% chance of getting a crit that rerolls into an accuracy (2/8*2/8). It's a thing, but she doesn't get to reroll hits, which has a 50% chance of happening and a (2/8*4/8) 12.5% chance the second roll.

She is not going to throw the squadrons to your ships recklessly, she is going to go for your squadrons, and you will have to make choices while that demo or that AvengerBT aproaches. Should I spend my only shot on that ISD that is going to one shoot me? Or should I try to "clean" scatter aces? I think the answer is obvious. The scatter is not only good on usage, is also good in talking you out from doing that useless shot. Thats why those scatter aces end up alive and health all the time.

29 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Meanwhile, TIEs still die to a stiff breeze, so hit them with it and flak and several squadrons. Imp Scatter aces hard to kill? Overload their defense tokens with your own squadrons and flak, or lock down their tokens with an accuracy you roll. Nothing is impossible to kill, just keep putting more pressure on them.

I really, really want to see you putting this into practice. Please show me how you shoot down a Ciena with counter 4 and reroll. You might, but thats the only fighter you are going to take down in the whole game.

31 minutes ago, geek19 said:

And if the Sloane player has invested 134 points into scatter aces and a quasar to push them, that's roughly 230-240 points with Sloane included. What's the rest of the list? If it has Demolisher, you're at 330 and we're now back to a thread about how do I fight flotillas because that's all the other player can fit in.

And that is all you need: Howlrunner, Mithel, Velen, Soontir, Ciena, Saber, Dengar, IG 132 points exactly. Add quasar with FCT, BC, EHB and Sloane. Now you have won the fighter game and you are on 225 points. Its half your list. Build anything from here.

8 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Su tono despectivo hacia todos en este foro de Internet porque usted valora su experiencia más alta que la nuestra está empezando a enojarnos a todos. Su opinión, si bien es válida para usted, no es algo que apreciamos cuando usted nos critica y nuestros comentarios cuando tratamos de responder a usted de buena fe. Por favor, deje de asumir que el resto de nosotros no sabemos de qué estamos hablando con respecto a este juego cuando respondemos a usted, cuando es posible que hemos estado jugando más de lo que ha sido.

Además, 2 semanas no es suficiente tiempo para haber entendido plenamente cómo Sloane afecta al lado Imperial y qué meta nueva ha creado. Las cosas cambian cada ola y declarar lo nuevo "dominado" porque lo ha obligado a cambiar de cómo "usualmente" juega el juego no es ni preciso ni útil. El resto de nosotros en este foro, aunque reconociendo el poder potencial de Sloane, no han tenido problemas donde ella gana cada juego sólo por llegar. Su lista puede matar a todos sus escuadrones antes de matar a ella, pero ¿cómo entonces traduce eso en una victoria para su FLOTA? ¿Es el problema con usted y su meta, o con todo el resto de nosotros para no "ver lo que se puede ver"?

Or from my good friend google translate:

Your dismissive tone towards everyone on this Internet forum because you value your experience higher than ours is starting to anger us all. Your opinion, while valid to you , is not something we appreciate when you criticize us and our comments when we attempt to respond to you in good faith. Please stop assuming the rest of us don't know what we're talking about with regards to this game when we respond to you, when we probably may have been playing longer than you have been.

Furthermore, 2 weeks is not enough time to have fully understood both how Sloane affects the Imperial side and what new meta she has created. Things change every wave, and declaring the new thing "overpowered" because it has forced you into a change from how you "usually" play the game is neither accurate nor helpful. The rest of us on this forum, while recognizing the potential power of Sloane, have not had issues where she wins every game just by arriving. Her list may kill all of your squadrons before you kill hers, but how does she then translate that into a win for her FLEET? Is the issue with you and your meta, or with all of the rest of us for not "seeing what you can see"?

Yeah it is definetely googleT lol. I really hope I do not sound like that when I'm writing man, that was awkwardly funny and barely comprehensible.

As for the content itself; I dont think im disrespecting anyone. I ALWAYS answer in the same pitch? I get answered. And I talk my mind straight, I personally dont like those who play in between the "im ******* with you, but figure it out in this intrepid and smart text" that in fact does not even contribute a thing to the thread. You can find some of those above, for research purposes.

31 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Oh I read the rest. I simply didn't feel a need to argue points Geek was already handling.

So he is tanking me and you are doing the DPS, scratching a point from the back? Getting a piece of meat before its all gone but the dry bones? I dont get you guys. I cannot understand the purpose of your comment. If I say something normally I'm ready to defend it, not letting others to do it for me.

6 minutes ago, xerpo said:

So he is tanking me and you are doing the DPS, scratching a point from the back? Getting a piece of meat before its all gone but the dry bones? I dont get you guys. I cannot understand the purpose of your comment. If I say something normally I'm ready to defend it, not letting others to do it for me.

Sure, whatever.

@xerpo there are several ways to counter Sloan though.

Nerf You you Scruffy looking laser brain Nerf-herder !

2 hours ago, xerpo said:

Oh so sorry for my bad spelling.

First. It was not a typo correction. It was a logical argumentation correction, wich does not require a perfect typo spelling? as long as you are understood.

If you're going to make fun of someone else's English mistake, you don't have any authority if your own English is poor. You understood @Madaghmire just fine without needing to note his typo, didn't you? It seems clear you made a point of it to diminish him, which is just childish.

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Third. Using that argument against a non-native English speaker (writter in this case, I don't want you to get cranky) is really creeping? I dare you to try to express yourself in my own language (Spanish), please avoid fiesta, cerveza and toros.

I honestly don't care if you're a native speaker or not and, up until now, I haven't remarked on your English because I could understand you. I noted it specifically because you were being a hypocrite.

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Second. English is not my native language. The fact that I can actually correct someone about properly carrying an organized and structured discussion in his own language (I'm assuming now) just proves my stone cold brass balls (thanks for that idiom, I learn something new everyday) are right where they belong. After all, I'm beating you in your own court.

You're beating... who? Who has admitted defeat? Whose mind has been changed? What third party is giving out awards for most abrasive plastic spaceship forum posts? The core of why I confronted you isn't that I disagree with you (although I do): it's that you can communicate the same basic ideas more compellingly without going after people for no real reason. If you're here to start fights and make people dislike you, then you've succeeded; if you're here to convince people of your point of view, you've failed.

Regarding Sloane in general, have you been playing much with Sloane? I've played against Sloane and watched a few games/compared notes and in general the impression I'm getting so far is players are initially frustrated with her because over-investing in fighters means less points for combat ships to go after enemy ships with spent defense tokens (where the spent/discarded tokens make the largest impact), but under-investing in fighters means you're stuck dealing with enemy squadrons for longer than you'd like and Sloane's ability against ships (which is the best part of her effect) doesn't come into play as much. The nightmare scenario of Sloane just wiping out all the defense tokens and crushing whole fleets just hasn't happened - it simply costs too many points to come close to doing that. I'm sure as time goes on, dedicated Sloane players will start to converge on more reliable builds for her squadrons and carriers to create a better overall fleet composition, but it very much seems like she's stuck in a Sato-like quandary where she needs her ship versus squadron balance to be just right. That's fine, and it's definitely an interesting puzzle to solve. In my experience and that of many others, however, it's not game-breakingly overpowered.

Wow! This is getting "Admiral Nelson" good!

I have played about 10 games with Sloane now, with different configurations of tie fighters, interceptors, and defenders. I did not find her overwhelming. It might also have to do with my dice in that I rolled statistically average but not what I needed. meaning when I needed an accuracy, I rolled a crit followed by a crit or when I needed a hit on a generic squadron I would roll accuracies and crits. While attacking ships, I would roll damage, it was quite humorous to say the least.

Observations I noted, like all squadron battles, if you overextend yourself, your squadrons die. Out of range of activations.

If you get them in range of two ships for anti-squadron, they die.

A lot of it comes down to timing on your part and your opponent. Your opponent should work on getting you to overextend your squadrons and get them in anti-squadron range. You need to keep them close to your ships to give your opponent a choice of using anti-squadron fire or firing at ships. This fact has really in my opinion increased the value of gunnery team. When thinking about lists, a person will also consider double anti-squadron dice ships.

I really like what Sloane and this new wave has brought to the game of armada. If they had not nerfed Rhymer, then she would have been way overpowered, at this current level she is quite useful but not overpowered.

That is my two cents based on the few games I have used Sloane.