If you guys are looking for normal things that can take it on, I bet 4 x TLT lists can knock out the Biggs Lowhhrick Jess Rex lists. Or Biggs' other list, Kanan + Biggs. TLT bypasses both DTF and Selflessness.

Just saying. Time for meta to adapt!

Of course, dont let Rex shoot your Kanan, or you'll be sorry!

See the smallest I can think of was never even reported.

6 players showed up.

It was not exactly marketed....like at all.

Thanks for showing up,here's your templates.

I'm really surprised FFG didn't elect to give Lowhhrick the Palpatine treatment and require you to spend the token for the evade before you saw what you rolled. The fact that you could pick and choose when Palp was the most beneficial after seeing your result, is the EXACT reason they nerfed him. Yet, here we are, and Lowhhrick can just wait for that one sour roll instead of having to decide before having absolute knowledge. Sometimes I wonder how much the designers are learning along the way, especially when a number of range limitless abilities were introduced this wave as well (which we all know are issues just waiting to find ways to be abused).

We will have to wait a little longer to see how things pan out, but a lot of the design decisions for this wave were really, really odd. I think TLTs saw a really big boost this wave as well, as has been mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see them become even more promenant to defend against these new threats.

30 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

We will have to wait a little longer to see how things pan out, but a lot of the design decisions for this wave were really, really odd. I think TLTs saw a really big boost this wave as well, as has been mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see them become even more promenant to defend against these new threats.

Funny how so much "PLS NERF TLT, TOO STRONG!" has been said for awhile and now it might be one of our only saviors from the indestructible force that is Fair Ship Rebels. There's likely going to end up being more counters, but we'll just have to see how things shake out.

48 minutes ago, phild0 said:

If you guys are looking for normal things that can take it on, I bet 4 x TLT lists can knock out the Biggs Lowhhrick Jess Rex lists. Or Biggs' other list, Kanan + Biggs. TLT bypasses both DTF and Selflessness.

Just saying. Time for meta to adapt!

Of course, dont let Rex shoot your Kanan, or you'll be sorry!

Kanan Biggs is a pretty decent bet; you've got the longevity to win that matchup. 4 TLTs was something I also considered, but I'm just not sure about it. On the one hand, you bypass DTF and Selflessness, but even so, the opposing list has a pretty decent chance to bring down a Y-Wing on the first turn . . . you really need to maintain Range 3. And it's also got pretty poor matchups against things like Dengar Tel or . . . autothrusters.

I've also been wondering about bombs and TIE swarms. Three proton bombs is a lot of points, but it'll kill Biggs in one round, and he has absolutely no repositional ability. Oh, and it also kills Rex and cripples the other two ships. Of course, getting three bombs on target is easier said than done . . . .

And TIE swarms ought to do decently against it. If you get Range 1 on the first turn, you'll kill Biggs. Selflessness and Lowhhrick's ability aren't very useful against low-output attacks, and you've also got enough ships to stand up to most alpha strike lists.

30 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

I'm really surprised FFG didn't elect to give Lowhhrick the Palpatine treatment and require you to spend the token for the evade before you saw what you rolled. The fact that you could pick and choose when Palp was the most beneficial after seeing your result, is the EXACT reason they nerfed him. Yet, here we are, and Lowhhrick can just wait for that one sour roll instead of having to decide before having absolute knowledge. Sometimes I wonder how much the!designers are learning along the way, especially when a number of range limitless abilities were introduced this wave as well (which we all know are issues just waiting to find ways to be abused).

We will have to wait a little longer to see how things pan out, but a lot of the design decisions for this wave were really, really odd. I think TLTs saw a really big boost this wave as well, as has been mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see them become even more promenant to defend against these new threats.

Think it's pretty safe to say at this point that the devs are god awful at this job. FFG has a great track record of producing awesome core games, and then grabbing some bargain-bin developers who ruin it within a few waves.

10 minutes ago, RStan said:

Funny how so much "PLS NERF TLT, TOO STRONG!" has been said for awhile and now it might be one of our only saviors from the indestructible force that is Fair Ship Rebels. There's likely going to end up being more counters, but we'll just have to see how things shake out.

Yeah, when stuff comes in that is broken, usually it requires other broken stuff to beat it

1 hour ago, EdgeOfDreams said:

I take it Dash / Miranda wins by just arc dodging/bumping all the time and wearing them down over time with HLC + TLT + Bombs? Playing keep-away also means they may often be at range 3 of only part of the enemy list, which creates opportunities to attack someone other than Biggs if they want to.

Yep. A lot of boring sniping and dash dancing around.

1 hour ago, phild0 said:

If you guys are looking for normal things that can take it on, I bet 4 x TLT lists can knock out the Biggs Lowhhrick Jess Rex lists. Or Biggs' other list, Kanan + Biggs. TLT bypasses both DTF and Selflessness.

Just saying. Time for meta to adapt!

Of course, dont let Rex shoot your Kanan, or you'll be sorry!

Four TLT would be rough, as the damage mitigation is useless against one damage plinking. Two TLT on Mranda/Nym gave me a really hard time when combined with bombs and Sabine .

I did beat Kanan Biggs with the list (hint: kill Kanan first, which isn't as hard as you'd think ).

28 minutes ago, Ailowynn said:

Three proton bombs is a lot of points, but it'll kill Biggs in one round,

No it won't, unless he happens to draw 2 direct hits with those bombs. (Integrated Astromech says hai)

1 hour ago, phild0 said:

If you guys are looking for normal things that can take it on, I bet 4 x TLT lists can knock out the Biggs Lowhhrick Jess Rex lists. Or Biggs' other list, Kanan + Biggs. TLT bypasses both DTF and Selflessness.

Just saying. Time for meta to adapt!

Of course, dont let Rex shoot your Kanan, or you'll be sorry!

Sweet, my version has neither.

On 7/17/2017 at 10:17 PM, sozin said:

He was rocking a creative Wave 11 five Imp list:

Sienar Specialist + Twin Laser Turret + Lightweight Frame
Scimitar Squadron Pilot + Tie Shuttle + Lightweight Frame + Operations Specialist
Scimitar Squadron Pilot + Unguided Rockets x3 (100)

Lol of course. Operations Specialist + Unguided Rockets. Makes 900% sense. And the TLT Seinar is really only missing more ways to get focus tokens for it to be good.

Also, nice job Sozin!

On ‎7‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 4:18 PM, Ailowynn said:

Think it's pretty safe to say at this point that the devs are god awful at this job. FFG has a great track record of producing awesome core games, and then grabbing some bargain-bin developers who ruin it within a few waves.

Spot on.

It's not even that they screw things up, it's that the mistakes take so god damned long to be fixed.

Look at waves 1-3. And then look at waves 4 and after. Alex Davy joined the design team and the old designers left between waves 3 and 4. The game immediately became less fun when he was allowed access to it.

Now they're just ruining the game on purpose almost.

A friend asked me to try out Runewars. I told him that I'm sure it's a great game, but FFG will ruin it 4 waves in. And that once it is ruined, they'll wait an entire year to fix it. Or their "fix" will be something that's almost as bad like Autothrusters.

They say they worship tournament data in order to balance the game, but that is just an excuse for being *** at designing the game. What you do is trash the game and then you just cross your fingers and hope Worlds or other big events aren't dominated by it. And since those events are always a few months away, it gives you plenty of time to not actually do anything to fix the game and pretend that everything a-okay.

It's like you're on the deck of the Titanic just before it goes completely under telling others that are already in the water, "Now wait a minute, you need data to prove that the ship is sinking, not mere subjective anecdotes ."

This is a game. The purpose of it is to enjoy it. It shouldn't be that hard to make the game more fun when it isn't fun, it's not rocket science. Sometimes, the evidence of your own eyes is enough. SoWhen something is wrong with the game, admit it, and fix it.

I have a feeling that the main reason the game isn't readily fixed is because Alex Davy is one of those smarmy, "Nothing is ever wrong with the game, stop complaining and get good" guys.

We'll have a fix for Jumpmasters, Mindlink, Biggs, Lowhhrick, bombs, etc. eventually. But FFG will wait until the ship is already sinking to fix the problem instead of immediately taking action once a problem has arisen.

I can't play IA anymore either without getting stomped by some overpowered Bantha or Rancor or 5 cost unique figure that can fire twice a round and does automatic splash damage each time he attacks. 2 elite probe droids, or a bantha that can move 15 god damned spaces and do auto damage to multiple units when it finally stops moving? Royal Guard Champion, or a Bantha, Beast Tamer, and Vinto? Regular Nexu, or Greedo?

3 hours ago, SaltMaster 5000 said:

Spot on.

It's not even that they screw things up, it's that the mistakes take so god damned long to be fixed.

Look at waves 1-3. And then look at waves 4 and after. Alex Davy joined the design team and the old designers left between waves 3 and 4. The game immediately became less fun when he was allowed access to it.

Now they're just ruining the game on purpose almost.

A friend asked me to try out Runewars. I told him that I'm sure it's a great game, but FFG will ruin it 4 waves in. And that once it is ruined, they'll wait an entire year to fix it. Or their "fix" will be something that's almost as bad like Autothrusters.

They say they worship tournament data in order to balance the game, but that is just an excuse for being *** at designing the game. What you do is trash the game and then you just cross your fingers and hope Worlds or other big events aren't dominated by it. And since those events are always a few months away, it gives you plenty of time to not actually do anything to fix the game and pretend that everything a-okay.

It's like you're on the deck of the Titanic just before it goes completely under telling others that are already in the water, "Now wait a minute, you need data to prove that the ship is sinking, not mere subjective anecdotes ."

This is a game. The purpose of it is to enjoy it. It shouldn't be that hard to make the game more fun when it isn't fun, it's not rocket science. Sometimes, the evidence of your own eyes is enough. SoWhen something is wrong with the game, admit it, and fix it.

I have a feeling that the main reason the game isn't readily fixed is because Alex Davy is one of those smarmy, "Nothing is ever wrong with the game, stop complaining and get good" guys.

We'll have a fix for Jumpmasters, Mindlink, Biggs, Lowhhrick, bombs, etc. eventually. But FFG will wait until the ship is already sinking to fix the problem instead of immediately taking action once a problem has arisen.

I can't play IA anymore either without getting stomped by some overpowered Bantha or Rancor or 5 cost unique figure that can fire twice a round and does automatic splash damage each time he attacks. 2 elite probe droids, or a bantha that can move 15 god damned spaces and do auto damage to multiple units when it finally stops moving? Royal Guard Champion, or a Bantha, Beast Tamer, and Vinto? Regular Nexu, or Greedo?

I'm sure you'll enjoy dicemasters.

Now back to store championships. Paul finally won flying surprise...4 ship rebel.

Store Championship at the Soldiery in Columbus, OH. Only 10 people in attendance so we did 4 rounds with no cut. I won with a 3-1 record on MOV:

Winner: Hasan Khan

Miranda: Twin Laser Turret + Extra Munitions + Sabine Wren + Cluster Mines + Conner Net + Thermal Detonators + Advanced SLAM
Captain Nym: Lone Wolf + Twin Laser Turret + C-3PO + Bomblet Generator + Engine Upgrade

Runner-Up: Jeff Ostler

Biggs Darklighter: R4-D6 + Integrated Astromech

Lowhhrick: Selflessness + Wookiee Commandoes

Captain Rex

Jess Pava: M9-G8 + Sensor Cluster + Integrated Astromech

3rd: Jon Messmore

3x Karthakk Pirate: Intel Agent

Karthakk Pirate: Greedo

I just took down the Portland Game Store Championships, 16 players.

http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=3181

I took it down with this monstrosity, which I call "OP Cubed"

Miranda Doni + Twin Laser Turret + Bomblet Generator + Sabine Wren
Biggs Darklighter + R2-D2 + Integrated Astromech
Lowhhrick + Selflessness + Rey

Miranda is the best pilot in the game right now (OP1), Biggs+Lowhhrick are just silly (OP2), and Sabine+Bomblets ("the Sabine Omelette") is ... super tasty (OP3).

I played Nym three times, twice with Dengar and once with Ashoka and a Stress hog.

Don't think I really deserved to win the last game; my opponent missed on two ABT shots on Miranda and couldn't seal the deal. Ironically, Biggs was full health and shields. I think that Biggs+R2D2 is a thing now that he's so hard to kill.

This list is way easier to fly then the 4 ship "The Biggs Lebowski" because all three ships have similar dials and Miranda can just straight up joust with Biggs beside her.

Yeah I lost in the finals of a SC yesterday running Miranda/Nym against a variation of Miranda/Biggs/Lowhhrick. I had won against the list in Swiss, but he got revenge in our rematch in the finals.

So the past 2 weeks I have had the ability to play in 3 store champs. I dont get to play very much due to working most nights and weekends I flew the same list all 3 times. I went 4-0 to win a 14 player event, then went 0-2 in an 8 player event, then went 3-1 in swiss of 20 player event, losing in the finals. What i have found is that for all the talk of Pava being in this type of build I prefer mine cause I try to be annoying, plus rex shooting first always helps. Anyway this thing built itself for me months ago really as 96 points was already baseline for.

Captain Rex (14)

Roark Garnet with TLT and Vectored Thrusters (27)

Lowhhrick with Lightning Reflexes and Wookie Commandos

Biggs Darklighter with R2D2 and Intergrated

Outside of Vectored Thrusters I have been happy with how this plays. Giving Rex or either of my PS5 guys in later rounds the ability to shoot first is huge, plus the TLT from roark is super annoying and bypasses a lot of those defenses that are in place to keep other biggs alive longer. The Commandos and reflexes on Lowhhrick have proven to be worth the 2 points. With no dice modifications for Lowhhrick, even just trying to get in an extra damage or more with rerolling eyeballs is a lot better then being stuck with what you roll. Reflexes has proven itself everytime. Even with it being a 1 time use thing, the timing of using it has never shorted me a range 1 shot or just getting him back into the fight when he would be doing nothing for multiple turns as he turns ever so slowly to get back into the fight. Add in putting r2d2 on Biggs has also been a good thing is most games. just the ability to regen a shield most turns gives biggs even more life and allows the other 3 to pound away at a ship.

Dan M. took 1st in a 19 player SC at Game Kastle Fremont with:

Jess + Selflessness + R2 + Integrated (27)

Rex + Sabine's MP + Jan Ors (17)

Biggs + R4-D6 + Integrated (26)

Lowhhrick + Draw Their Fire + Wookies (30)

Dan beat Audrey's Dengar (53) + Finn (31) + Inaldra (15) by 2 points (72 to 70).

That Dengar list ( Audrey finished 2nd ) beat me in the semis by 3 points (56-53), when I rolled literally half blanks on attacks, well into the mid-game. I finished 3rd (by MoV). I ran:

Wookie Liberator + Selflessness + Jyn Erso + Zeb (30)

Rex (14)

Lowhhrick + Draw Their Fire + Wookies (3)

Biggs + R4-D6 + Integrated (26)

Corey was 4th , but I have no idea what he ran at all.

Geordan finished 5th , running the same ships as Dan, but a different crew configuration. I beat Geordan in our 3-0/3-0 match, but Geordan beat Dan in their match.

3 hours ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Dan beat Audrey's Dengar (53) + Finn (31) + Inaldra (15) by 2 points (72 to 70).

They weren't able to finish the match in 2 hours? Or did you guys do a shorter final?

Eternal Games Warren MI:

Pulled out a win at Eternal’s SC on Saturday, don’t see the details in List Juggler yet.

Flew something similar to Sozin. Rebel NPE. Stronger against aces but weaker than the 4ship variants against Alpha Strikes.

Miranda: TLT, Bomblet, Chopper, LRS.
Biggs: R2D2, IA.
Lowhhrick: Draw Their Fire, Rey, Tactician.

Went 3 and 1 in Swiss, cut to the top 4. My only loss was to Nym/Miranda whom I faced in the final game again and pulled out a win.

Games I Played:

Swiss:
1. Rey/Poe – 100/0. He tried to sneak up behind my list. Lowhhrick did 1 or 2 damage. Miranda did the rest.
2. Poe/Nien/2xbandits – 24/0: The opponent ran (hoping for better positioning?) and it took a long time to get him to engage.
3. Nym/Miranda: Opponent flew the list very well and I made a costly mistake he capitalized on and this meant only Nym fell while his Miranda cleaned up. 47/100
4. Soontir/Tomax/Ryad. 100/0. A lucky R3 tlt shot on a fully VonTokenStaken Soontir (3h vs 4blanks) early in the match sealed this one. Tomax with CS, UR, LWF was solid.

Top 4:
1. Kylo/QuickDraw/Countdown. Took a fair amount of damage to Miranda & Lowhhrick but Biggs again ended full health. Stressed, unmodified R1 shot from kylo through a debris hit Miranda for 4c1h vs 2blanks.
2. Rematch on Nym/Miranda. Lost Biggs about half way through and had a very intense duel that didn’t end until ~15-20min was left on the clock. Lowhhrick rolling a natural h/h/c then f/f/c (focus from Rey) in the last 2 turns sealed it.

35 minutes ago, Cr0aker said:

Eternal Games Warren MI:

Pulled out a win at Eternal’s SC on Saturday, don’t see the details in List Juggler yet.

Flew something similar to Sozin. Rebel NPE. Stronger against aces but weaker than the 4ship variants against Alpha Strikes.

Miranda: TLT, Bomblet, Chopper, LRS.
Biggs: R2D2, IA.
Lowhhrick: Draw Their Fire, Rey, Tactician.

Went 3 and 1 in Swiss, cut to the top 4. My only loss was to Nym/Miranda whom I faced in the final game again and pulled out a win.

Games I Played:

Swiss:
1. Rey/Poe – 100/0. He tried to sneak up behind my list. Lowhhrick did 1 or 2 damage. Miranda did the rest.
2. Poe/Nien/2xbandits – 24/0: The opponent ran (hoping for better positioning?) and it took a long time to get him to engage.
3. Nym/Miranda: Opponent flew the list very well and I made a costly mistake he capitalized on and this meant only Nym fell while his Miranda cleaned up. 47/100
4. Soontir/Tomax/Ryad. 100/0. A lucky R3 tlt shot on a fully VonTokenStaken Soontir (3h vs 4blanks) early in the match sealed this one. Tomax with CS, UR, LWF was solid.

Top 4:
1. Kylo/QuickDraw/Countdown. Took a fair amount of damage to Miranda & Lowhhrick but Biggs again ended full health. Stressed, unmodified R1 shot from kylo through a debris hit Miranda for 4c1h vs 2blanks.
2. Rematch on Nym/Miranda. Lost Biggs about half way through and had a very intense duel that didn’t end until ~15-20min was left on the clock. Lowhhrick rolling a natural h/h/c then f/f/c (focus from Rey) in the last 2 turns sealed it.

How much has R2-D2 on Biggs helped out? Also, do you feel Biggs is truly necessary? Would subbing in something like Jess with Selflessness work out?

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

How much has R2-D2 on Biggs helped out? Also, do you feel Biggs is truly necessary? Would subbing in something like Jess with Selflessness work out?

In my first match R2D2 regenerated some 7-8 shields. Some rounds Rey was hot, others not. And with Lowhhrick pulling crits he was able to shrug off Rey+Finn’s heavy shots while Rey was bumping and eating bombs turn after turn (blocked her into an alley along the outside of the board with large rocks to the inside). I think my opponent thought that 1 damage per turn (Average if eating bomblets ea turn) wasn’t so bad and could avoid tlt shots at range one so he ran Rey up from behind. Well… I spent all of Miranda’s shields rolling 4 for range one shots and she melted fast between that and the bomblets.

At his worst I think he regenerated 2. It really depends on what you face and what your opponent prioritizes. Biggs is easier to alpha off the board without R4D6, but then how do you handle Miranda? The lists I faced with some alpha ability tried to kill Miranda… but Lowhhrick managed to just keep her alive. At that point, with only primary weapons, Biggs was unstoppable and Miranda just regenerated. R2 is why, in the matches he lived (all but 2), he ended the game with full shields.

One thing that came up after a match was that my opponent who was using the emperor did so to add crits…. And with DTF in the list it is one of the few times you don’t want to do this

Biggs and Lowhhrick are stapled together. They let Miranda survive and regenerate in the face of ordinance, spend shields on offense, and keep the list alive a lot longer than it should. It still has enough offensive power to get the job done even when Biggs does little.

5 hours ago, Transmogrifier said:

They weren't able to finish the match in 2 hours? Or did you guys do a shorter final?

Yes, they went to time. I didn't see it, so I don't know how the game played, beyond the engagement round. Audrey would have had Dengar (half-dead), and Dan would have had Lowhhrick. I would have thought Dengar could finish that out, but maybe it was just a grinding game, and Dan took the lead very late?

I think Lowhhrick Biggs may have won 5+ store championships this weekend.