1 minute ago, Sarcon said:

So which ships are in the meta that have repositioning skills and have a lower PS than Dash but a higher PS than Leebo, to support your arc dodge claim?

Dash's PS isn't what let's you arc dodge, it's the pilot ability.

With just a barrelroll I don't think it makes that much of a difference. If you would play PTL and Engine I would agree, but the additional points you have for Miranda and CM in this build are well worth dropping down to Leebo.

Dash can reposition through obstacles (specifically, debris) with no downside effect, which can consistently cut off vectors of approach for the enemy.

I'm not specifically arguing that Dash > leebo, etc - they're both close to the same archetype; I'm just saying there are simply pros and cons to each, and one would fly differently depending on who they brought.

But given that - Dash's BR can definitely be useful get screwing up approaches because he can BR through obstacles.

4 hours ago, Sarcon said:

With just a barrelroll I don't think it makes that much of a difference. If you would play PTL and Engine I would agree, but the additional points you have for Miranda and CM in this build are well worth dropping down to Leebo.

This is my opinion too.

Personally I feel that if you could fully load Miranda AND Dash at 100 points there would be very little reason to take Leebo over Dash, unless you predict a heavy RAClo meta.

However, since you can't, every point you save on Leebo over Dash translates into more stuff in other places, which might end up better overall.

1 hour ago, LordBlades said:

This is my opinion too.

Personally I feel that if you could fully load Miranda AND Dash at 100 points there would be very little reason to take Leebo over Dash, unless you predict a heavy RAClo meta.

However, since you can't, every point you save on Leebo over Dash translates into more stuff in other places, which might end up better overall.

Leebo's ability is just generally solid too. I was playing a Leebo + Bandit swarm ages ago and was typically using his ability once a game to knock-off a *** crit for a weaker one. It's not Chewie good, but it will save your bacon every once in a while.

I also found his lower PS to be quite handy. It lets you block and overshoot your opponent much easier.

13 hours ago, Kieransi said:

Hey, completely off-topic, I'm a rude American busting into your guys' thread, but how do you make those custom cards? I also enjoy making custom cards to give to friends, but they're usually very home-made-looking with my color printer, some cardstock, and some laminating paper. Is there a card-printing service you use, or a special tool? Any info would be greatly appreciated!

I use Photoshop to put together the full art versions and Makeplayingcards.com for printing. I'd love to use someone in the UK, but I've struggled to find anyone who can match the quality / price of MPC.

They done all the one's I've given out this year so far, and am very happy with the results.

2 hours ago, KMitchell said:

I use Photoshop to put together the full art versions and Makeplayingcards.com for printing. I'd love to use someone in the UK, but I've struggled to find anyone who can match the quality / price of MPC...

...definitely going to give this a go myself for the next big event!

For those interested, here's the list I played (François Couret):

Crisp paintjobs!

2 hours ago, Francesco Lamas said:

For those interested, here's the list I played (François Couret):

Congrats!

But is it bothering anyone else that the ships are flip flopped with their cards?

On 2017-6-5 at 10:59 AM, Sunitsa said:

European Championship 2017

Winner

George Dellapina UK (8-1)

• Leebo HLC, outrider title, Rey, lone wolf , countermeasures
• Miranda doni TLT, Sabine, Adv slam, extra munitions, cluster mines, seismic charges

Runner-Up

Bartosz Wojcicki PL (7-2)

• Dash Rendar HLC, title, Rey, Lone Wolf, Smuggler, Burnout Slam
• Miranda Doni TLT, Sabine, Adv Slam, EM, Cluster Mines, Ion Bombs

TOP 4

Shane Hibberd UK (7-2, highest MoV of the 7-2)

• Contracted Scout. Attanni, R4 Agro, chips, EM, Boba, Proton Torp, Rigged Cargo
• Contracted Scout. Attanni, Overclocked, chips, Plasma Torp, 4-Lom, Rigged Cargo
• Fenn Rau. Attanni, title, AutoT

Faan Langelaan NL (7-2)

• Contracted Scout. Attanni Mindlink, R4 Agro, Chips, Plasma Torp, IA
• Contracted Scout. Attanni Mindlink, R4 Agro, Chips, Plasma Torp, EM, 4-Lom
• Contracted Scout. Attanni Mindlink, R4 Agro, Chips, Plasma Torp, EM, IA

TOP 8

Juan Del Rio ESP (7-2)

• Chiraneu. VI, Palpatine, EU, title, Kylo
• Carnor. PTL, Autothruster, Shield Upgrade

Rick Porsius NL (8-1)

• Contracted Scout. Attanni Mindlink, Overclocked, Chips, Plasma Torp, IA
• Contracted Scout. Attanni Mindlink, R4 Agro, Chips, Plasma Torp, EM, 4-Lom
• Contracted Scout. Attanni Mindlink, R4 Agro, Chips, Proton Torp, EM, Boba

Paul Westwood UK (8-1)

• Kanan. FCS, Rey, RecSpec, TLT, Jammer
• Biggs. m9g8, IA
• Zeb with Chopper, Autoblaster

Karol Pietrowicz PL (8-1 highest MoV of the 8-1)

• Chirenau. VI, Palpatine, Rebel Captive, Engine Upgrade
• Inquistor. PTL, title, autot, Ion Pulse Missiles

TOP 16

Tim Gronneberg SCO (9-0, winner of the Swiss)

• Miranda. TLT, Plasma, EM, Rey, Cluster Mines, chips.
• Biggs. r4d6, IA
• Jess Pava. m9g8, IA

Francois Couret FR (7-2)

• Dengar. Expertise, Plasma, K4, r5p9, scavenger crane, Counter Measures, title
• Fenn Rau. PTL, title, AutoT

Adrian Chouquet FR (7-2)

• Vessery
• Quickdraw
• Pure Sabacc

Janus UK (7-2)

• Fenn. Attanni, Title, Thrusters
• Asajj. Attanni, Lats, Gyros
• Contracted Scout. Attanni, Unhinged Astro

Timo Raabe DE (7-2)

• Contracted Scout
• Contracted Scout
• Contracted Scout

Oliver Pocknell UK (8-1)

• Asaji. Attanni, Latts
• Fenn Rau. Attanni, AutoT
• Old Teroch. Attanni, AutoT

Mark Allan UK (7-2)

• BIggs. R4d6, IA.
• Braylen. r3a2, gunner, title
• Miranda. autoblaster, Rey, Ion BOmbs, Homing, chips, EM

Marton Kennessey HUN (8-1)

• Contracted Scout.
• Contracted Scout.
• Contracted Scout.

Does anybody know more details about ???

Adrian Chouquet FR (7-2)

• Vessery
• Quickdraw
• Pure Sabacc

Yes please...

8 hours ago, KMitchell said:

I use Photoshop to put together the full art versions and Makeplayingcards.com for printing. I'd love to use someone in the UK, but I've struggled to find anyone who can match the quality / price of MPC.

They done all the one's I've given out this year so far, and am very happy with the results.

Thank you for the information! Very helpful! Those cards are amazing. I will have to try this out!

Does anyone know if/when the tournament will be entered into listjuggler? I'm ready to run my script and all, but I need the numbers and lists

I was just informed I got Adrian list wrong, it should be this:

Adrian Chouquet FR (7-2)

• Vessery. Adaptability, x/7, chips
• Quickdraw. Adaptability, FCS, title, Lightweight.
• Inquisitor. PTL, title, AutoT, proton rockets

The results are up on list juggler now: http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=2959

Still lots missing, so if you know any please fill them in!

On 2017-6-9 at 7:42 PM, Sunitsa said:

I was just informed I got Adrian list wrong, it should be this:

Adrian Chouquet FR (7-2)

• Vessery. Adaptability, x/7, chips
• Quickdraw. Adaptability, FCS, title, Lightweight.
• Inquisitor. PTL, title, AutoT, proton rockets

Chips on Vessery??

38 minutes ago, Goseki1 said:

Chips on Vessery??

Ya. It's 0 points.

But.... Why?

17 minutes ago, Goseki1 said:

But.... Why?

Because you can

On 05/06/2017 at 8:23 PM, haslo said:

Is it possible that lists that are optimized for Worlds or the US Nationals (which will have a very similar meta, because travel costs and politics) would not be optimized for the European Championships?

Few years ago this was exactly the case when the US went to their first Team Warmachine event in Poland.

A unit (Stormlancers) was being used be the Europeans heavily and it was getting work done. In the US this unit had been dismissed as crap for years.

1 hour ago, Shockwave said:

Few years ago this was exactly the case when the US went to their first Team Warmachine event in Poland.

A unit (Stormlancers) was being used be the Europeans heavily and it was getting work done. In the US this unit had been dismissed as crap for years.

That's an interesting point, as far as I know, the most notably list which didn't seem to have any success in Europe was the Paul Heaver's one from the SoS.

Other than that, the European Championship meta was very similar to the one at Worlds. What really surprised me was that few people brought Dengar Trevura at the Europeans, but it's not like that there were many people other than Justin Phua playing it at Worlds either, so I still don't get the snarky remarks the Krayts and other posters did

1 hour ago, Sunitsa said:

That's an interesting point, as far as I know, the most notably list which didn't seem to have any success in Europe was the Paul Heaver's one from the SoS.

Other than that, the European Championship meta was very similar to the one at Worlds. What really surprised me was that few people brought Dengar Trevura at the Europeans, but it's not like that there were many people other than Justin Phua playing it at Worlds either, so I still don't get the snarky remarks the Krayts and other posters did

I was surprised at how few Dengar/Tels there were as well. There are plenty of people running it at store champs in the UK.

Janus A here (finished 13th).

This is my fleet (still needs more hazard markings on the fang and jump).

Regarding level of play and lists, as we all know the top 16 of a 350 person event isn't always a full proper representation.

There were a few Dengar Tel lists, plus variations (Expertise Dengar Ketsu/Asajj etc). I expected to see more, but I also feel that people were expecting it, and outside of its high PS alpha strike cant do much if you out fly Dengar.

One of my friends took Dengar Tel and had success with it at several smaller events. I played one round eight, so by then my opponent was 5-2.

14 hours ago, apoapsis said:

The results are up on list juggler now: http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=2959

Still lots missing, so if you know any please fill them in!

Cool, I hope the gaps are soon filled in a bit more.

The export to csv seems not to work however, I always get an error message