4 minutes ago, Yakostovian said:

Other than missing the rear fuselage plates, its looks almost identical to me.

I only know where the astromech goes because of the Lego set, and in both the comic image and the official one, it's hard to pinpoint its location.

The outboard fins look to be pretty much the same, and that is how I recall its landing configuration at the end of Revenge of the Sith and in the original Battlefront 2.

Other than maybe the sleeker profile of the official fuselage and possibly longer outrigger fins on the comic version, I can't really see a significant difference between the two. Certainly not enough to call it heavily modified. Artistic license seems to be the root cause of any irregularities.

While possible, with the other ships being spot on with their standard models, if feels odd that artistic license would then be used on a V-Wing. Even the loss of the back fins that go over the astromech is enough to call it heavily modified to me. And I still think the body looks different, as does the canopy, upon closer inspection.

17 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

While possible, with the other ships being spot on with their standard models, if feels odd that artistic license would then be used on a V-Wing. Even the loss of the back fins that go over the astromech is enough to call it heavily modified to me. And I still think the body looks different, as does the canopy, upon closer inspection.

Maybe the artist just less familiar with what we all know to be a sub-par ship.

5 minutes ago, Yakostovian said:

Maybe the artist just less familiar with what we all know to be a sub-par ship.

I don't know about this "we" business, but whatever.

11 hours ago, SabineKey said:

While possible, with the other ships being spot on with their standard models, if feels odd that artistic license would then be used on a V-Wing. Even the loss of the back fins that go over the astromech is enough to call it heavily modified to me. And I still think the body looks different, as does the canopy, upon closer inspection.

Ye´p. It looks different, but IMHO much better. I always found the V-Wing ugly, specially because of that rear plating. This one is super sexy.

EDIT: also, E-Wing canon! Now I can put it in the table with not so much embarrassment.

11 hours ago, jmswood said:

This picture came up in a thread about E-wings. I’ll take all the N-1 coverage I can get. The N-1 pictured isn’t yellow. Maybe it’s just a lazy artist, or maybe it’s a shoutout to the Forces of Destiny short. Either way, it’s an N-1 and we were so close to getting Poe as a pilot.

the perspective in this picture is criminal... like Rob Liefeld anatomy bad. kinda looks like a photoshop collage of different comics.

That N-1s silver/grey is pretty as all **** though

4 hours ago, TheVeteranSergeant said:

What "narrative?" Why does everything immediately make you defensive? lol

EA didn't care about a single player campaign, so they didn't even put one in the previous Battlefront. Then people complained, so they put in the most generic, uninspired, and short single player campaign possible into Battlefront 2. It's not about "Blah blah EA bad." It's literally just "Re-using an existing ship model says nothing other than to further demonstrate how few number of poops EA gave about the single player campaign." Your narrative was that EA was trying to prove that the ships were so durable they last until TFA. When the reality is that the only reason those ships are in that missions is that EA already had them on hand, and the player is flying Rebelsistance ships and TIE Fighters wouldn't fit in. There's no Grand Design at work here, lol.

Narratives, heh. A Jedi craves not these things.

[Citation Needed]

Yeah, they re-used existing models. It solves several problems at once. Like, okay, think of it this way yeah? Why not use Rebel fighters? Clearly they're the more modern ones, we KNOW they're basically retired en masse, and we also know for an absolute fact that they're not in use by The Republic or even The Resistance anymore.

So why use Clone Wars stuff? I can give you several reasons why, really.

ARC-170: The ARC-170 is a very durable, very reliable fighter. With three seats and an Astromech, there's a whole lot of utility for it as an "Enforcer" vessel or a multi-role in a pinch. Its munitions bays can carry loads of stuff, sometimes even non-munitions if you're extra crafty, and as an escort vessel it has two directions it can fire in, making it utterly indispensable in that role. However, it isn't very fast and if it's all that makes up your forces, you're in serious trouble.

V-Wing: So, this thing isn't hyperspace capable without a hyperspace ring. However, it can be carried and though I didn't see any bays, the GR_75s were cited as being "Carriers" as well as picket defense vessels for the core Nebulon-B flagship for Jinata Security. V-Wings are capable- and numerous, cheap and still quite fast Interceptor craft with plenty of Firepower, and an Astromech slot. They're very good Interceptors, to boot, thanks to their shields. Why them over A-Wings? Maybe it's the Astromech thing, maybe it's not. But I do know they have more powerful blaster cannons than the A-Wing does, making them good strike craft against squadrons or soft targets.

N1: Literally just one hotshot's bragging rights. If you're basically a slaver, an N-1 is a very good display of, "Look how huge my %*@& is!". Shows you must know somebody, somebody important.

So, why use AT-RTs, AT-STs, Stormtrooper Armor, Lambdas and so on?

They're everywhere. They're inexpensive. They're reliable. But most importantly? Unlike the craft of the Galactic Empire or Rebellion, they were created specifically for wartime usage.

Which just outright makes them good craft to use for a long time. Even today, we're using 50-60+ year old equipment on the field and in the skies, because it still works. Some stuff is iterative, all of it's been retrofitted, but the point remains that some stuff just stays good.

So instead of acting like it's literally just corporate cheapness, actually consider for a moment why the ideas might be good. It's the same reasoning in and out of universe.

"We have this stuff laying around. Why aren't we using it? Let's use it."

And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Some backwater security force is not going to have its own proprietary designs. I hope you understand that fact.

26 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

That picture looks very photoshopped.

Do we have confirmation on whether the original frame from the comic has all these ships?

12 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

They're everywhere. They're inexpensive. They're reliable. But most importantly? Unlike the craft of the Galactic Empire or Rebellion, they were created specifically for wartime usage.

Which just outright makes them good craft to use for a long time. Even today, we're using 50-60+ year old equipment on the field and in the skies, because it still works. Some stuff is iterative, all of it's been retrofitted, but the point remains that some stuff just stays good.

So instead of acting like it's literally just corporate cheapness, actually consider for a moment why the ideas might be good. It's the same reasoning in and out of universe.

"We have this stuff laying around. Why aren't we using it? Let's use it."

And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Some backwater security force is not going to have its own proprietary designs. I hope you understand that fact.

Case in point:

• The A-10 Thunderbolt (better known as the Warthog) 40 years of operational service and counting.
• The B-52 Stratofortress (which may have an operational lifetime of 100 years) 62 years of operational service and counting.

14 minutes ago, Yakostovian said:

Case in point:

• The A-10 Thunderbolt (better known as the Warthog) 40 years of operational service and counting.
• The B-52 Stratofortress (which may have an operational lifetime of 100 years) 62 years of operational service and counting.

Yep, and they’re hard to replace, which can explain a few designs in Star Wars.

35 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

[Citation Needed]

Yeah, they re-used existing models. It solves several problems at once. Like, okay, think of it this way yeah? Why not use Rebel fighters? Clearly they're the more modern ones, we KNOW they're basically retired en masse, and we also know for an absolute fact that they're not in use by The Republic or even The Resistance anymore.

So why use Clone Wars stuff? I can give you several reasons why, really.

ARC-170: The ARC-170 is a very durable, very reliable fighter. With three seats and an Astromech, there's a whole lot of utility for it as an "Enforcer" vessel or a multi-role in a pinch. Its munitions bays can carry loads of stuff, sometimes even non-munitions if you're extra crafty, and as an escort vessel it has two directions it can fire in, making it utterly indispensable in that role. However, it isn't very fast and if it's all that makes up your forces, you're in serious trouble.

V-Wing: So, this thing isn't hyperspace capable without a hyperspace ring. However, it can be carried and though I didn't see any bays, the GR_75s were cited as being "Carriers" as well as picket defense vessels for the core Nebulon-B flagship for Jinata Security. V-Wings are capable- and numerous, cheap and still quite fast Interceptor craft with plenty of Firepower, and an Astromech slot. They're very good Interceptors, to boot, thanks to their shields. Why them over A-Wings? Maybe it's the Astromech thing, maybe it's not. But I do know they have more powerful blaster cannons than the A-Wing does, making them good strike craft against squadrons or soft targets.

N1: Literally just one hotshot's bragging rights. If you're basically a slaver, an N-1 is a very good display of, "Look how huge my %*@& is!". Shows you must know somebody, somebody important.

So, why use AT-RTs, AT-STs, Stormtrooper Armor, Lambdas and so on?

They're everywhere. They're inexpensive. They're reliable. But most importantly? Unlike the craft of the Galactic Empire or Rebellion, they were created specifically for wartime usage.

Which just outright makes them good craft to use for a long time. Even today, we're using 50-60+ year old equipment on the field and in the skies, because it still works. Some stuff is iterative, all of it's been retrofitted, but the point remains that some stuff just stays good.

So instead of acting like it's literally just corporate cheapness, actually consider for a moment why the ideas might be good. It's the same reasoning in and out of universe.

"We have this stuff laying around. Why aren't we using it? Let's use it."

And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Some backwater security force is not going to have its own proprietary designs. I hope you understand that fact.

And let us not forget our dear old workhorse, the Y-Wing. Heck, they could show up in episode 9, ready for action and I wouldn't bat an eye.

1 hour ago, Infinite_Maelstrom said:

That picture looks very photoshopped.

Do we have confirmation on whether the original frame from the comic has all these ships?

I own the comic. That’s the original frame.

1 hour ago, Yakostovian said:

Case in point:

• The A-10 Thunderbolt (better known as the Warthog) 40 years of operational service and counting.
• The B-52 Stratofortress (which may have an operational lifetime of 100 years) 62 years of operational service and counting.

1 hour ago, sf1raptor said:

Yep, and they’re hard to replace, which can explain a few designs in Star Wars.

**** yeah! Cause they're so good!

Also let's be real, The Empire didn't use The V-Wing, ARC-170 and so on entirely for Doctrine and contractor reasons. Had they not adopted a new doctrine, we'd be seeing ARC/FOs, man.

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

[Citation Needed]

Yeah, they re-used existing models. It solves several problems at once. Like, okay, think of it this way yeah? Why not use Rebel fighters? Clearly they're the more modern ones, we KNOW they're basically retired en masse, and we also know for an absolute fact that they're not in use by The Republic or even The Resistance anymore.

So why use Clone Wars stuff? I can give you several reasons why, really.

ARC-170: The ARC-170 is a very durable, very reliable fighter. With three seats and an Astromech, there's a whole lot of utility for it as an "Enforcer" vessel or a multi-role in a pinch. Its munitions bays can carry loads of stuff, sometimes even non-munitions if you're extra crafty, and as an escort vessel it has two directions it can fire in, making it utterly indispensable in that role. However, it isn't very fast and if it's all that makes up your forces, you're in serious trouble.

plus with their non-missile guns being mounted externally (at the wingtips or on remote control turrets) it would be really easy to upgrade the guns to match whatever advances in tech might have happened. (which is what the "Alliance overhual" represents in the game, basically.)

and their torpedo launchers can easily be loaded with newer versions of the ordnance with not much more than some software patches.

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

V-Wing: So, this thing isn't hyperspace capable without a hyperspace ring. However, it can be carried and though I didn't see any bays, the GR_75s were cited as being "Carriers" as well as picket defense vessels for the core Nebulon-B flagship for Jinata Security. V-Wings are capable- and numerous, cheap and still quite fast Interceptor craft with plenty of Firepower, and an Astromech slot. They're very good Interceptors, to boot, thanks to their shields. Why them over A-Wings? Maybe it's the Astromech thing, maybe it's not. But I do know they have more powerful blaster cannons than the A-Wing does, making them good strike craft against squadrons or soft targets.

plus the V-wing is really compact. way more compact than a A-wing, especially with the wings in landing configuration. the jinata force had a nebulon-B and GR-75's as their ships. neither of those have a lot of room for hanger space, so a fighter that is highly compact lets them carry more of them in what hanger space they have.

ARC-170's are hyperdrive capable on their own, so the V-wings are basically the only fighter that they have to actually carry onboard a ship.

4 minutes ago, mithril2098 said:

plus with their non-missile guns being mounted externally (at the wingtips or on remote control turrets) it would be really easy to upgrade the guns to match whatever advances in tech might have happened. (which is what the "Alliance overhual" represents in the game, basically.)

and their torpedo launchers can easily be loaded with newer versions of the ordnance with not much more than some software patches.

plus the V-wing is really compact. way more compact than a A-wing, especially with the wings in landing configuration. the jinata force had a nebulon-B and GR-75's as their ships. neither of those have a lot of room for hanger space, so a fighter that is highly compact lets them carry more of them in what hanger space they have.

ARC-170's are hyperdrive capable on their own, so the V-wings are basically the only fighter that they have to actually carry onboard a ship.

Exactly! They're just really smart choices.

Also, a thought about that not-V-Wing.

>Kesselian Spice Magnate.

>focus on this vessel

>This vessel from Kessel

Y'think we'll see this little bugger in SOLO?

7 hours ago, Yakostovian said:

Case in point:

• The A-10 Thunderbolt (better known as the Warthog) 40 years of operational service and counting.
• The B-52 Stratofortress (which may have an operational lifetime of 100 years) 62 years of operational service and counting.

both my cousin and his dad were B52 pilots, 30 years apart and the younger 25 years ago. those things are the very definition of built-to-last

On 2/2/2018 at 8:55 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

Exactly! They're just really smart choices.

Also, a thought about that not-V-Wing.

>Kesselian Spice Magnate.

>focus on this vessel

>This vessel from Kessel

Y'think we'll see this little bugger in SOLO?

The shuttle Rose and Finn stole to escape the First Order first appeared in an issue of Poe Dameron. You might be on to something.

Oh, that's be cool!

I'm hoping for some Clone Wars equipement in Solo, I've read somewhere that the movie spans six years, so it would make sense to see more of a transitional composition of forces, at least early on.

Of course, this thread about n1's would turn into a thread about E-wings and V-wings...... I'll take some of those any day over the n1's (and I loved the naboo fighters when they came out...I just think they'd be a little out of place in X-wing).

V-WINGS should be the first triple-faction ship. Imperial pilots, Rebel pilots, and Scum, all in the same pack (paint job might be tricky, but probably in the rots imperial grey), with slightly different upgrade bars and core stat lines. Maybe even different dials.

I'd be so fun.

On 2/3/2018 at 4:05 AM, Captain Lackwit said:

[Citation Needed]

Yeah, they re-used existing models. It solves several problems at once. Like, okay, think of it this way yeah? Why not use Rebel fighters? Clearly they're the more modern ones, we KNOW they're basically retired en masse, and we also know for an absolute fact that they're not in use by The Republic or even The Resistance anymore.

So why use Clone Wars stuff? I can give you several reasons why, really.

ARC-170: The ARC-170 is a very durable, very reliable fighter. With three seats and an Astromech, there's a whole lot of utility for it as an "Enforcer" vessel or a multi-role in a pinch. Its munitions bays can carry loads of stuff, sometimes even non-munitions if you're extra crafty, and as an escort vessel it has two directions it can fire in, making it utterly indispensable in that role. However, it isn't very fast and if it's all that makes up your forces, you're in serious trouble.

V-Wing: So, this thing isn't hyperspace capable without a hyperspace ring. However, it can be carried and though I didn't see any bays, the GR_75s were cited as being "Carriers" as well as picket defense vessels for the core Nebulon-B flagship for Jinata Security. V-Wings are capable- and numerous, cheap and still quite fast Interceptor craft with plenty of Firepower, and an Astromech slot. They're very good Interceptors, to boot, thanks to their shields. Why them over A-Wings? Maybe it's the Astromech thing, maybe it's not. But I do know they have more powerful blaster cannons than the A-Wing does, making them good strike craft against squadrons or soft targets.

N1: Literally just one hotshot's bragging rights. If you're basically a slaver, an N-1 is a very good display of, "Look how huge my %*@& is!". Shows you must know somebody, somebody important.

So, why use AT-RTs, AT-STs, Stormtrooper Armor, Lambdas and so on?

They're everywhere. They're inexpensive. They're reliable. But most importantly? Unlike the craft of the Galactic Empire or Rebellion, they were created specifically for wartime usage.

Which just outright makes them good craft to use for a long time. Even today, we're using 50-60+ year old equipment on the field and in the skies, because it still works. Some stuff is iterative, all of it's been retrofitted, but the point remains that some stuff just stays good.

So instead of acting like it's literally just corporate cheapness, actually consider for a moment why the ideas might be good. It's the same reasoning in and out of universe.

"We have this stuff laying around. Why aren't we using it? Let's use it."

And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Some backwater security force is not going to have its own proprietary designs. I hope you understand that fact.

Occam's razor tho.

I think EA being lazy is just a far simpler explanation.

By your way of thinking about the movies the rebels hate droids and wookiees, instead of George forgetting to give a medal to a walking carpet.

If you decide that you will deduce information from such random details, then do so properly, and admit that the Rebellion is no better than the empire. Just another human supremacist, fanatical insurgency that wishes to bring back a broken and corrupt system, and destroy the peace, freedom, justice and security of the empire!

3 hours ago, RufusDaMan said:

Occam's razor tho.

I think EA being lazy is just a far simpler explanation.

By your way of thinking about the movies the rebels hate droids and wookiees, instead of George forgetting to give a medal to a walking carpet.

If you decide that you will deduce information from such random details, then do so properly, and admit that the Rebellion is no better than the empire. Just another human supremacist, fanatical insurgency that wishes to bring back a broken and corrupt system, and destroy the peace, freedom, justice and security of the empire!

But I don't even like The Rebellion and made no such claims about them..?

On 2/2/2018 at 10:24 AM, jmswood said:

The N-1 pictured isn’t yellow.

Um, so? GUNBOAT didn’t have big red stripes and the ARC has a huge Rebel starbird on it. Just because we pay for painted models doesn’t mean we can’t paint them again.

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1 hour ago, TheVeteranSergeant said:

That appears to have been an impressive tantrum. I mean, I didn't read any of it, but with all the text markup, clearly you thought you were saying something of import and value.

How can you expect someone to listen to your arguments if you freely admit that you aren't listening to an opposing viewpoint?

http://www.starwars.com/databank/naboo-n-1-starfighter

Click the link above if you need a reminder of this thread’s intended topic.

Keep the comments on topic as much as possible. I understand there will always be minor diversions, but let’s try to keep our collective eye on the prize.

Keep the comments civil or get out.

On 2/2/2018 at 10:55 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

Exactly! They're just really smart choices.

Also, a thought about that not-V-Wing.

>Kesselian Spice Magnate.

>focus on this vessel

>This vessel from Kessel

Y'think we'll see this little bugger in SOLO?

smart choices, if you can't get T-65's, BTL-3's, AS/F-01's or RZ-1's at least. i suspect that the stuff we saw the Rebellion use during the OT still makes up a lot of the New Republic member's fleets, and is thus not only less readily available, but also more likely to attract attention from the New Republic's Intelligence services. Clone Wars vintage gear would be super common (because so much of it was made for the old republic, and for the early empire) and less likely to attract notice.