5 hours ago, the1hodgy said:

What about the Christmas Special?

All Star Wars fans must at some point watch this one. You're not a true fan if you can't watch the whole thing.

Also, when introducing a new fan to Star Wars, only let them watch the movie once or twice and then only let them gain more information about the story by reading the comic adaptation.

And then any time the person tries to buy a Star Wars miniature or action figure, give them a coupon saying that they'll get it in a year or so.

I'd they're still a fan after all of that, then, and only then, are they a true Star Wars fan.

It's like saying Lando isn't important because he doesn't even get a mention in the sequels.

#1 I really like the N-1. It’s sleek and unique and not at all meek. For our game it could have a nice niche between Z-95, Sheathspede, and X-wing and somewhat similar to the fabled T-Wing with an Astromech slot.

#2 I love Qui-gon, he was played perfectly by Liam and he invoked pathos in a character we meet for the first time.

#3 TPM should have involved Alderaan, not Naboo. Obi-wan should have been a lone Jedi Knight meeting a teen Anakin (to match with a teen Padme)with no Qui-gon since he causes obi-wan to be redundant. The meeting should take place on Nal Hutta, a space station or some other non-Tatooine location. The pod race could still happen but anakin should lose, introducing a complication as well as being something we did not expect.

#4 TPM had many more problems than Jar Jar, many of them fixed by a small amount of Creative Writing.

1 hour ago, GrimmyV said:

#1 I really like the N-1. It’s sleek and unique and not at all meek. For our game it could have a nice niche between Z-95, Sheathspede, and X-wing and somewhat similar to the fabled T-Wing with an Astromech slot.

#2 I love Qui-gon, he was played perfectly by Liam and he invoked pathos in a character we meet for the first time.

#3 TPM should have involved Alderaan, not Naboo. Obi-wan should have been a lone Jedi Knight meeting a teen Anakin (to match with a teen Padme)with no Qui-gon since he causes obi-wan to be redundant. The meeting should take place on Nal Hutta, a space station or some other non-Tatooine location. The pod race could still happen but anakin should lose, introducing a complication as well as being something we did not expect.

#4 TPM had many more problems than Jar Jar, many of them fixed by a small amount of Creative Writing.

1. No points to contend. All very valid.
2. Great character that should have had more love in the OT somewhere. Loose storytelling thread that should have been pursued more even in the other 2 prequels.
3. Swap out "Naboo" for Alderaan? Heck yes. Obi-Wan as a lone Knight? That removes the "are they" question about Shmi and Qui-Gon, which I think was a great inclusion of TPM. In my opinion, Padme should be the active protagonist making decisions in this movie, as the story is mostly about her. Queen fake-out is fine, but the audience should definitively be in on it from the start, rather than the ham-fisted OBVIOUS reveal we get instead. I've never thought about Anakin losing the Pod-race before. Winning was a requirement in the original, based on the stakes. You'd have to rewrite the narrative there, but the "I'm the Queen of Naboo Alderaan and I'm taking this boy" could have had HUGE story potential. From "you owe us a favor" to "you better not show your face around here again, or suffer the consequences.*"
4. Small, workable problems. Minor problems that are hand-wavable offenses in other Star Wars films.

EDIT: *Suffer the consequences could also have been Watto & company would be most likely responsible or suspected for the assassination attempts against Padme in EP2. Or add a new sub-faction into the Separatists in the Hutt Cartel.

51 minutes ago, Yakostovian said:

You'd have to rewrite the narrative there, but the "I'm the Queen of Naboo Alderaan and I'm taking this boy" could have had HUGE story potential. From "you owe us a favor" to "you better not show your face around here again, or suffer the consequences.*"

You see, just a small change can lead to much more interesting interactions and plot threads. Excellent!

3 hours ago, Kieransi said:

I'd they're still a fan after all of that, then, and only then, are they a true Star Wars fan Scottsman.

Fixed that for you.

3 hours ago, eMeM said:

It's like saying Lando isn't important because he doesn't even get a mention in the sequels.

No, it's like saying the sequels suffer because they don't mention such an important character.

Which they do, for that and many more reasons.

3 hours ago, Yakostovian said:

Want to make Naboo more useful, and thereby TPM more relevant? Change all instances of "Gungan" to "Bothan" and all of a sudden, TPM is incredibly more tragic.

You touch on a point I have been thinking about for a long time now.

The prequels get a lot of flak, even though eps 2 and 3 aren't that bad. People cite the acting, the use of CGI, the story, ect.... But I have had a theory for a while now that the real reason the prequels are so hated is because they didn't call back to the originals in hardly any way. If you go back to the prequels, keep everything else the same, but make the Gungans into Bothans, Maul into, say, an Ithorian, watto into a Rodian, make Palpatine's aid guy into a Sullastan, Geonosians into Twileks, and so on, I think it would have made the prequels be a lot more acceptable to the established fan base. But instead, virtually every species with a speaking role (except humans, of course) in all 3 movies is a brand new creation we have never seen before. This makes the sequels seem to be not at all connected to all of the other established universe, despite several specific characters being important to both trilogies. The Clone Wars series gets a lot of praise (among other things) for making the prequels a lot more palatable, and what do they do? They mix the old species from the OT and the EU in with the species from the PT. That made the two trilogies seem connected to each other in a way that just the movies don't.

2 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

You touch on a point I have been thinking about for a long time now.

The prequels get a lot of flak, even though eps 2 and 3 aren't that bad. People cite the acting, the use of CGI, the story, ect.... But I have had a theory for a while now that the real reason the prequels are so hated is because they didn't call back to the originals in hardly any way. If you go back to the prequels, keep everything else the same, but make the Gungans into Bothans, Maul into, say, an Ithorian, watto into a Rodian, make Palpatine's aid guy into a Sullastan, Geonosians into Twileks, and so on, I think it would have made the prequels be a lot more acceptable to the established fan base. But instead, virtually every species with a speaking role (except humans, of course) in all 3 movies is a brand new creation we have never seen before. This makes the sequels seem to be not at all connected to all of the other established universe, despite several specific characters being important to both trilogies. The Clone Wars series gets a lot of praise (among other things) for making the prequels a lot more palatable, and what do they do? They mix the old species from the OT and the EU in with the species from the PT. That made the two trilogies seem connected to each other in a way that just the movies don't.

See...I actually disagree. If we do all those changes, the universe shrinks. One of the attractive things about Star Wars for me is it's size and how we have a bunch of different cultures and species to play with. Despite not connecting to the OT, new species like the Gungans fit into the story they were introduced in and I like how this kind of ignored people actually contributed to the galaxy. And we still got some of the classic races, like Twi'leks and Hutts in TPM. With a galaxy as big as Star Wars' is, it seems painfully limiting to say only these races ever did anything important.

I don't mean to say that your theory doesn't have grounds for some fans, but I do not think it is as wide spread as the often cited problems of execution of the story.

I’m not saying use ONLY pre-existing species, but some, in significant roles. Jabba and his twilek in TPM weren’t characters, they were set dressing.

SW is large, but you shouldn’t be introducing a new species EVERY SINGLE TIME you create a new character. That doesn’t make the universe seem large, it makes it seem fake.

You don't need to give a speaking role to characters conprising 1/3 new species, either. I'm not saying don't create new aliens, I'm saying that more characters in your series should seem to belong within your established framework than Star Wars has done. Not every scene is Canto Bight, the Cantina, or The Underbelly Coruscant Bar.

Plus, the more subtle callbacks to stuff that has already been visited before is rewarding to the audience.

23 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

I’m not saying use ONLY pre-existing species, but some, in significant roles. Jabba and his twilek in TPM weren’t characters, they were set dressing.

SW is large, but you shouldn’t be introducing a new species EVERY SINGLE TIME you create a new character. That doesn’t make the universe seem large, it makes it seem fake.

They may be set dressing, but so are some of the species from the OT trilogy. Name one Ithorian character that had lines in the OT. Heck, even some who do have lines like Rodian and Sullastan aren't really there to be a full character.

Now, I will agree that a mix is better, but again you have to be careful that you aren't just using them in important roles.

And again, if that's true for you, go for it. But I still hold that the theory isn't necessarily as prevalent as you indicated.

There’s a Rodian kid (possibly greedo) in TPM, as well as a Gran podracer. The Niemoidians are basically green versions of Duros. Jawas and Tusken raiders feature in the PT as well thanks to Tatooine being in every **** movie. And let’s not forget the Wookiee planet was finally featured, as well as Yaddle, another ‘Yoda’. The PT had lots of returning species with some in prominent roles. And even though numerous previously unseen species were shown they were usually present throughout the PT as multiple individuals.

What the PT didn’t have is aliens almost exclusively speaking alien languages. This takes away a lot of the strangeness of the aliens and shows them more as stereotyped humans in masks or cgi. The OT had only one species (besides Yoda and a few lines by Bib fortuna and some Ewoks) that I remember that spoke ‘english’, the Mon Calamari.

Ackbar and his race are already very strange looking to humans so having them speak understandably for the audience makes them less creepy and more enduring, and also more empathetic. The good admiral and his crew seem like people on a warship fighting against desperate odds and not some alien creatures doing alien things. This does mean that in a way the mon cal seem like humans in masks more than a species of amphibious space aliens, making the Rebel fleet look more like something out of Star Trek. It’s understood however that having Ackbar and all mon cal speak with subtitles would totally ruin the flow of the battle and the pacing of the movie during the climax, where as Jabba’s Scenes were deliberately slower paced for tension and foreboding.

anyway....

1 hour ago, Yakostovian said:

You don't need to give a speaking role to characters conprising 1/3 new species, either. I'm not saying don't create new aliens, I'm saying that more characters in your series should seem to belong within your established framework than Star Wars has done. Not every scene is Canto Bight, the Cantina, or The Underbelly Coruscant Bar.

Plus, the more subtle callbacks to stuff that has already been visited before is rewarding to the audience.

Clone Wars actually did a really good job covering some of this stuff. They gave backstory for Watto's species (Toydarians), the species of that one weird guy in the Episode IV cantina (Muftak, who is a Talz), added Pong Kreel, who is the same species as Dexter Jettster, and lots of other things like that.

Just gonna keep saying it to everyone who will listen: Clone Wars =/= prequels. Clone Wars = awesome.

8 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

Just gonna keep saying it to everyone who will listen: Clone Wars =/= prequels. Clone Wars = awesome.

And The Clone Wars is even more awesomer.

12 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

And The Clone Wars is even more awesomer.

Just like the cartoon you are referencing, needs more dialogue.

8 minutes ago, Yakostovian said:

Just like the cartoon you are referencing, needs more dialogue.

Who needs dialogue with amazing sound design and dramatic silence. One 2 minute wordless cartoon still tells a better story than most of the PT. And better love story than twilight. I mean AotC.

8 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

Who needs dialogue with amazing sound design and dramatic silence. One 2 minute wordless cartoon still tells a better story than most of the PT. And better love story than twilight. I mean AotC.

Well, if the dialogue they give us is the likes of "I hate sand" then you may have a point.

So I hope the N-1 is in the next wave! It would be sweet! The only ship I would buy enough to swarm. Would be cool to have some kind of squad buff.

7 minutes ago, poke450 said:

So I hope the N-1 is in the next wave! It would be sweet! The only ship I would buy enough to swarm. Would be cool to have some kind of squad buff.

Take notes people. This kind of thinking will save X-wing from itself.

56 minutes ago, jmswood said:

Take notes people. This kind of thinking will save X-wing from itself.

I bought 5 GUNBOATs. That didn’t save X-Wing?

ok, so Statline time!

2 att

2 agi

3 hull

2 shield

Focus, TL, Evade, B-roll

Torp, Astromech EPT PS 4 and above

PS 2 Bravo Squadron Pilot 16 pts

PS 4 Naboo Guard Veteran 18 pts

PS 6 Leia Organa 20 pts (friendly ships within range 1 may change one focus result to evade when defending, yes this includes her too)

alternate ability might be: one friendly ship within range 3 may treat red maneuvers as white during the activation phase.

PS 8 Anakin Skywalker 22 pts

if you did not overlap a ship or obstacle while performing your maneuver you may perform a free B-roll.

4 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

PS 8 Anakin Skywalker 22 pts

if you did not overlap a ship or obstacle while performing your maneuver you may perform a free B-roll.

It must be said; I love that ability for Little Anakin.

It would be kinda fun; if they had a title similar to the; Strikers. but instead.

Nimble Fighter (A-Wing & N-1 Fighter Only) You may equip up to 2 different Title upgrades. -1 PTS

Immediately After executing a 3-, 4-, or 5-speed, you must execute a free barrel roll action.

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The reason for making it reduce is; it's gonna make it trickier to fly and the reason for including A-Wings; it's a light fix to make them a little better; couple this with intensity and if you maneuver right you could be laughing.

I can't think of a way of wording, "you may a barrel as normal as a normal action" with out it sound stupid. (double roll action)

9 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

I bought 5 GUNBOATs. That didn’t save X-Wing?

The Gunboat, as a ship dependent on firing arcs and maneuvers to be effective, is a great step in the right direction, but the fight against bomb-wing and turret-wing should never be placated by a single good expansion.

9 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

ok, so Statline time!

2 att

2 agi

3 hull

2 shield

Focus, TL, Evade, B-roll

Torp, Astromech EPT PS 4 and above

Normally I’d be annoyed at someone repeating things that have already been said in a thread, but at the moment I’m praising you for it. FFG needs to see the community has a unified vision of what the N-1 should be. It should be an A-wing alternative with slightly different actions and upgrades.

9 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

PS 6 Leia Organa 20 pts (friendly ships within range 1 may change one focus result to evade when defending, yes this includes her too)

alternate ability might be: one friendly ship within range 3 may treat red maneuvers as white during the activation phase.

PS 8 Anakin Skywalker 22 pts

if you did not overlap a ship or obstacle while performing your maneuver you may perform a free B-roll.

This isn’t bad, but it isn’t good enough either. Any N-1 expansion without an accurate representation of Shara Bey is unacceptable. Her appearance in the ARC-170 was a pathetic misrepresentation of the character. (I’d rant about the other ARC-170 pilots, but this isn’t the time or place.)

This thread established that there are an abundance of N-1 Ace options, and we want all of them. More than that, we want them to have PS and abilities that contribute to good gameplay and respect the source material. We will have our cake and eat it too.

9 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

I bought 5 GUNBOATs. That didn’t save X-Wing?

ok, so Statline time!

2 att

2 agi

3 hull

2 shield

Focus, TL, Evade, B-roll

Torp, Astromech EPT PS 4 and above

PS 2 Bravo Squadron Pilot 16 pts

PS 4 Naboo Guard Veteran 18 pts

PS 6 Leia Organa 20 pts (friendly ships within range 1 may change one focus result to evade when defending, yes this includes her too)

alternate ability might be: one friendly ship within range 3 may treat red maneuvers as white during the activation phase.

PS 8 7 Anakin Skywalker 22 pts

if you did not overlap a ship or obstacle while performing your maneuver you may perform a free B-roll.

He's 8 years old, not pilot skill 8.
As for Leia, give her something that is really a boon. My take on Leia would be something like "When a friendly ship at range 1-2 is assigned a focus token, assign that ship an evade token as well" or "when a friendly ship at range 1-2 executes/reveals a red maneuver, assign that ship an evade token."

4 hours ago, the1hodgy said:

It would be kinda fun; if they had a title similar to the; Strikers. but instead.

Nimble Fighter (A-Wing & N-1 Fighter Only) You may equip up to 2 different Title upgrades. -1 PTS

Immediately After executing a 3-, 4-, or 5-speed, you must execute a free barrel roll action.

----

The reason for making it reduce is; it's gonna make it trickier to fly and the reason for including A-Wings; it's a light fix to make them a little better; couple this with intensity and if you maneuver right you could be laughing.

I can't think of a way of wording, "you may a barrel as normal as a normal action" with out it sound stupid. (double roll action)

I think "Nimble Fighter" could be a modification that would not be ship specific restricted, but agility restricted. "You may not equip this upgrade if your agility is 2 or less."