Tommy Muldoon question

By Julia, in Arkham Horror Second Edition

Hi everybody,

and sorry if this has already been asked. Last night we played AH with the IH expansion and for the very first time, we used Tommy Muldoon. His special ability says that "Tommy may cause one or more monsters that are adjacent to his location to move to his location, regardless of their normal movement". Does this mean that immediately before resolving a mythos card he might force "normal moving monsters" (i.e black bordered, red bordered, flyers, elusive, aquatic, stalkers) to enter his location, or that he may force to move even those monsters that are static or have a special movement? And in the second case, should his ability trigger their special movement, or are they just "summoned" to his location?

This could be very helpful for different reasons. If his ability triggers their special movement, supposing he's in quite a bad state (sanity 1, stamina 1) and has in adjacent locations both a colour out of space and a cthonian, with some luck he can be devoured and succeding in his personal story. On the other hand, making "special movement" monsters move (thus not triggering their special movement) to his location, or static ones, could also be of great help.

Thanks for help!

We've played it that they actually move. It comes in very handy when the sky is holding monsters that count toward the monster limit. Tommy just calls 'em down for a chat. :)

Yeah, I'd say "regardless of their normal movement" is the key phrase. The normal movement for a Chthonian is to deal stamina damage via an earthquake. In this case a Chthonian would move onto his space, and not do its earthquake.

RevGiark said:

We've played it that they actually move. It comes in very handy when the sky is holding monsters that count toward the monster limit. Tommy just calls 'em down for a chat. :)

Or he can make a visit to the river docks and call over any aquatic monsters that are camping out on devils reef waiting to hop into the vortex.

Veet said:

Or he can make a visit to the river docks and call over any aquatic monsters that are camping out on devils reef waiting to hop into the vortex.

Don't think that works. Aquatic movement isn't keyed by "adjacency", which is what Tommy's ability uses. Adjacent to River Docks in only the Merchant District Streets. Calling over via normal aquatic move doesn't need Tommy, just someone at an aquatic space (assuming the right symbol on the Mythos card).

Thanks to everyone for your answers! so finally we played it right (has been a pretty epic fight, Cthugha as ancient one, victory by sealing after a gate burst and failing "the great ritual" rumor). Tomorrow we'll try the IH with both heralds...

Dam said:

Veet said:

Or he can make a visit to the river docks and call over any aquatic monsters that are camping out on devils reef waiting to hop into the vortex.

Don't think that works. Aquatic movement isn't keyed by "adjacency", which is what Tommy's ability uses. Adjacent to River Docks in only the Merchant District Streets. Calling over via normal aquatic move doesn't need Tommy, just someone at an aquatic space (assuming the right symbol on the Mythos card).

But they'd only move if their symbol came up. Tommy moves them regardless. I don't have my manual here but are not all aquatic locations considered adjacent to each other now? I think Kingsport added that in, along with the aquatic markers for several locations.

First, I think "connected" and "adjacent" have to be considered the same thing.

Following from that, the Sky is adjacent to all street spaces.

There is at least one Dunwich mythos card that holds the claim that the Sky is connected to streets, because the mythos card says it's now connected to unstable locations.

However, I don't think either Kingsport or Innsmouth said that all aquatic locations are connected. When an aquatic monster in an aquatic location moves, it moves to another aquatic location that contains an investigator. Otherwise, it follows the arrows.

RevGiark said:

But they'd only move if their symbol came up. Tommy moves them regardless. I don't have my manual here but are not all aquatic locations considered adjacent to each other now? I think Kingsport added that in, along with the aquatic markers for several locations.

You won't find the word "adjacent" in either the KH or IH rules when Aquatic movement is talked about. Only adjacent in the rules is that streets in both town are adjacent to the Sky (and a few mentions in the FAQs at the end).