25 minutes ago, brettpkelly said:Brutality, "perform two attacks, each attack must have a different target". Do you have to declare your targets before you do the attacks? Because you obviously can do that just like you can do two rerolls at the same time. If you must simply because you can consider the following scenarios:
- Rancor declares "Brutality" triggering the ability. The rancor declares both of his targets (because you can do that at the same time). The rancor does his first attack and cleaves to kill his second target. The Rancor can now no longer perform his second attack against a third target because that would be triggering the brutality ability again (by your definition).
- Vinto declares "Rapid Fire" and says he wants to attack the same figure twice (because you can declare attacks simultaneously). Vinto kills his target in the first attack and therefore cannot use his second attack.
OK, so that seems wrong. Obviously, you'd want to see the results of your first attack before you determine even the target of the second attack. Lets say that you don't have to declare your targets at the same time, but you DO have to declare that you are doing two attacks for brutality and rapid fire. That means you can't do one attack and then decide not to use your second attack. Consider the following scenarios:
- There are 2 hostile figures and 1 door that are valid targets of an attack. The rancor declares "brutality" and therefore must complete 2 attack actions if possible. The rancor kills the 2 hostile figures in his first attack with "cleave". The rancor now must attack the door, even if he doesn't want to.
- There is 1 hostile figure and a door that are valid targets of an attack. Vinto uses "rapid fire" which states "perform 2 attacks". Vinto kills the hostile figure in his first attack. Vinto now must target the door, even if he doesn't want to.
This also seems wrong to me. Just because you CAN declare 2 attacks at the same time and just because the abilities say "perform 2 attacks", doesn't mean you MUST declare them both at the same time, nor do you have to complete the second one (or reroll the second die in our comparable dice roll). Just because you can reroll them both at the same time doesn't mean you must. Also, it wouldn't be "impossible" to do two attacks at the same time, just unwieldy. Simultaneous attacks happen all the time in "Descent" which IA is based on.
Those special actions (Brutality ex) does not state you declare the targets of your attacks- but to perform 2 attacks on different figures. Declaring who the attacks when you trigger the ability is not relevant and does not support your argument.
Elite sniping straight up says may reroll up to 2 dice.
" Just because you can reroll them both at the same time doesn't mean you must."
That is a discrete trigger that is resolved immediately. Imagine if you spoke all steps to resolve the trigger- " I am using elite sniping to reroll 1 dice". How would you say it? "I am going to use elite sniping to see what the results of the first reroll is but I may decide to reroll the second die..."?
Edited by Amraam01