rovdjuret said:

I like this one. Because of the rumor/environement, it does something on any give expansion in play. cool.

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just read that your are getting rid of it. Whatever you like is fine. Since I do not like very much to play with all components mixed, I do not suffer so much of the dillution issue.

Avi_dreader said:

Good job of update Avi. I guess this Arkham game suck a lot of your time. For some reason, your jpg do not look nice on screen. However, I did not try to print them yet. It should be alright.

amikezor said:

Heh...

If there's a printing problem (I mean to say if they look illegible after printing), let me know and I'll do something about it.

Avi_dreader said:

Wow, I found so many mistakes in a single sentence (i.e. mine ;o). It's good to be foreigner ;o). More seriously, I'll let you know but I suspect, there will be a problem (it is so low quality that I cannot read on screen).

I did not find the rules about Tsathoggua match (as you suggest me to read them for the Toad King)

amikezor said:

Re: not being able to read it on the screen, I'm not asking this sarcastically, but do you have vision problems? Or maybe monitor problems? I'm not having any problems with visibility on mine, even though it's a bit small. I might try experimentally printing one out an a day or two just to see what happens.

Hrm... Was the whole Tsathoggua thing on the old forum? Or is it just buried so deep it's invisible?

Hrm.... Old forum apparently. I think I got confused and thought it was the third match of the second league, but I think it's actually the third of the first (I think).

Check scenario three to see the sort of problems involved with what you're doing (just so you have something to think about before putting things on paper). I'm not saying you shouldn't do it— I think it's an interesting design (even though I hate added components) I'm just saying consider some of these issues.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=44&efcid=1&efidt=71

Avi_dreader said:

My guess is that someone over there thinks it racist.....which is odd but people tend to think that way sometimes.

New version of the Toad King. I think it should be clearer this way. I am very sorry for you Avi, but using the Dunwich Horror token would not be as lovely as the Toad bastard Himself. Though, you can use a different token if you refuse to just print it. This herald is tribute to Howard mythos stories (well some of them at least :-) which I read recently and found great. For the awarness, I think I like it just you cannot escape the semi-god when it is on you. Gaining unique items becomes scary and the hunt to elder sign should slow down a bit :-)

By the way, I read Ubbo-Sattla short story (excellent) and found that the herald I posted some time ago should wear a different name. I shall change it one of these days.

amikezor said:

Just playing around with ideas here, but a card that only shows up in KiY is The Next Act Begins. Maybe something like "add the number of the act currently in play apart from other effects" when its drawn?

yeah, this sounds nice !

Veet said:

::Laughter:: I was only joking, but that'd be pretty funny if it were true.

Perhaps you need to add a disclaimer, "This is not a Black person or my idea of a Black person! It's Lovecraft's idea, blame Lovecraft not me!" Or something like that ;')

rovdjuret said:

Huh?

amikezor said:

There's no reason to give Tsathoggua a curse on all investigators (he almost wins every final combat anyways). Just take "Spawn of Tsathoggua" and use it as the herald subheading.

Change the following text like so:

"Nameless Cults is not discarded after use, but reading it now causes 2 sanity loss."

"After starting equipment is dealt, investigators gaining unique items roll a die and fight The Toad King on a 1 as if it had appeared in an encounter."

"While the Toad King is on this Herald, moon symbol monsters that aren't in expansion boards gain elusive and ignore mythos cards for their movement. They move once each turn in the shortest path to the monolith (first player decides the path if there's a tie). Moon monsters in the sky move to the monolith. Crescent monsters on the monolith are placed on this card, when there are 3, place The Toad King on the monolith and return them to the cup."

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If you still want to do something for Tsath, you should probably brainstorm a bit more because having him curse investigators, in my opinion, is a waste of card space since it will have practically no effect.

@ Veet

I was looking over Dr. Herbert West and I have a list of corrections (one of which actually has quite a bit of bearing on the game).

In the start of game text it says "returning one ally to the box" that last bit of text is redundant and potentially confusing (raising the terror level always returns an ally to the box). Two, and this is more significant in terms of design flaw (I had the same problem with my Wendigo), you need to make the cultists immune to Handcuffs, unless you want them to be killed by handcuffs (which is bizarre thematically, and makes a way to easily nerf the herald).

The first paragraph should read "When the terror level rises, draw a mythos card and place a c ultist from here onto the shown location (including at Start of Game)."

Change the second paragraph to "When an investigator is devoured or an ally is discarded, raise the terror level by 2." So that it's a bit shorter, and so that the cause is listed prior to the effect (and the causes are listed in order of frequency— investigators are more likely to be devoured than allies are to be discarded).

[it's logical to organize information sequentially since that's the order it's read and processed in (it's clearer, easier to skim, and less potentially confusing).]

[Also, never say "whenever" in Arkham cards (there's another whenever here). When means the same thing, and it's four letters shorter]

The third paragraph should read " Cultists are Undead Spawn monsters and stalkers with -X combat modifiers (X equals the terror level)."

The last paragraph should read "Each closed location increases the toughness of undead monsters by 2."

[Again, cause then effect, plus it's shorter]

Avi_dreader said:

I'll make the corrections when possible. I have a crazy week happening trying to bring 2 websites live in addition to my paid job and a trip out of country after which my wife will be out of the country leaving just me and the 2 year old. It may be next week before I have an opportunity.

Avi_dreader said:

great thank you for the wording Avi. Did you know that Tsathoggua was edited in the new french version so that it is (for the combat):

Each investigator must discard 2 monster trophies OR 1 gate trophy or be devoured.

In this case, maybe the cursed thing may be worse it (I dunno though :-)

Veet said:

That's fine. Just try to have it done by two Fridays from now ::hint hint::

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Also, a question has come up about how Basatan's movement works, so :'/ that card might need a bit of rephrasing too. I'll help out with it a bit more when your hectic week is over (it's not coming up for a long time in the League so there's no rush on that one).

amikezor said:

WHAT?! THEY MADE TSATHOGGUA EASY?! WTF! Bleh. Unfair! Are you sure it's not a translation error? I suspect it may be.

Avi_dreader said:

I am pretty sure it isn't because it is on the REVISED version (not on mine). What about the english one, was Dunwich revised at some point ?

amikezor said:

Not that I know of. So there was a 2nd edition in French that made it or instead of and?

Avi_dreader said:

yop. I will ask for explanations to edge (the spanish/french editor of ffg) :-)

Anyway, for the Toad King, I fixed this issue.

"final" version of the Toad King. I tested it yesterday (along with the Groth Herald and Tsathoggua), it was really fun. Around the end, I killed the bastard with the soldier, which was kind of an excitement. ;o)

For those who cares, I did set up an album page with my herald/guardian so far:

http://img514.yfrog.com/gal.php?g=ubbosathlafrontface.png

The one issue that still isn't dealt with is what happens when monsters move onto the monolith when Toad King is already in play. Perhaps raise the terror by one? Or ignore it? Or what?

Since the paragraph for moon monster movement starts with "While he Toad King is on the Herald", I assumed it was clear that while It is not on the Herald (ie in play), moon monsters move normally. But maybe it needs clarification.

About clarification, for Set (that I just translated to french), it is said that damages cannot be prevented. Do you mean cannot be saved by tricks (e.g. Enchanted Jewelry) or do you mean are always delivered even if you win the combat. I would assume the former is the correct one otherwise, you would have used the overwhelming capacity, right ?

amikezor said:

Oh, I see. You don't really need to clarify it, although if you wanted, you could italicize that part of the text to emphasize it.

re: Set. Yes, the former. Enchanted Jewlery, food, Leo, flesh ward, Michael. Um... Those are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Found a moment to do the corrections though my week is even busier than I expected (honestly what kind of person hijacks a church website to send a vulgar email to everyone?)