Bad news regarding reprints

By Yahiko_n_Tsubame, in Rogue Trader

I messaged FFG asking them when "Into the Storm", "Battlefleet Koronus" and "Hammer of the Emperor" would be reprinted.... I bought the core books and some modules for both "Only War" and "Rogue Trader" about two years ago, but they both seem to suffer without those books. I've been waiting for almost two years for them to become available again, hopeful since Rogue Trader seemed pretty popular and Only War is quite new.....

Anyway, this is the (depressing) response I got back:
"I don't think there's enough demand for us to reprint them. You can however get them in .pdf format via Drive Thru RPG."
So it's pretty grimm....
However, I do still hope that maybe more people can message/call them and change their minds. Looking at how much they go for online, I do think that there is enough demand, personally.

If they don't want to spend the money to do another traditional print run, I wonder why they don't enable DriveThruRPG to do print on demand.

There've been a few discussions on the most "essential" expansions to this game here, and I agree that you've all picked some good ones. Hammer to the Emperor is pretty great for Rogue Trader for the Equipment Patterns that are in it, so it sucks you're having trouble finding these books. Try to get Koronus Bestiary because I find that another essential addition.

Judging by the lack of new or upcoming releases, FFG is probably having the line is probably nearing "completion", as the relaunch of DH2E either means it'll be a success and there'll be an RT2E coming soon, or it won't work and they might stop this line (sadly).

Well, there hasnĀ“t been new material for RT for quite a while now. I would expect either a second edition or an official end of the line eventually.

It was mentioned in the DH2 forums that there is a strong possibility that they put out a RT supplement for DH2 that updates and incorporates most of RT into the DH2 rules.

viruscarrier wrote: One last thing, there was discussion in this thread about making Rogue Trader a supplement to DH2E rather than its own line. There's a line towards the end of the lore section that hints at this, I think. Without giving too much away, it discusses an area of space that is uncharted beyond the Askellon sector and states that "Entire campaigns could consist of journeys into the worlds beyond Tuchulcha, with acolytes returning as dark masters at the helms of mighty fleets, ready to carve out their own empires".

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/191066-enemy-beyond-expansion/page-4

~ alemander

Well I suppose we all knew that RT was dead and a 2nd edition was the only hope but maybe with GW moving back into the specialist gams market they will decide to DIY stuff like this rather then FFG having the franchise unlikely but you never know

One little thing; how many posts have their been about people wanting to combine stuff from DH, RT, DW, OW, and BC? How many posts about "do any of the other lines have ________, for me to use in the Expanse, against my dynasty? Will those blurps mesh well with RT? be too powerful?" As much as these lines have often tried to tell us they can work well together, the overall consensus, at least until Only War, was that they don't. Dark Heresy used "real money", lower-end characters, and more skills/less combat. Then Rogue Trader used SOME of it, and "improved on other parts, adding some stuff, but going in a different theme direction. Finally, Deathwatch said "this is 40K. That means the only thing these people want to play is Space Marines", and upped the power, the threat, and left "average joes" either incapable in battle, or so over the top in skills, you wonder how the Astartes is the superhuman. Black Crusade was equally useless, at first, IMO, because it then went and changed the base rules, rather than the usual copy/paste, making it really not seem to mesh well with any of the prior lines, and when Only War finally hit, we had regular troops, who were still loyal to the Imperium, and a much more relevant Black Crusade to work with it. DH 2 then happened, and that's the direction they seem to be going in, assuming the franchise doesn't dry up, under GW's pwn efforts to make it, as mentioned above.

As much as I like certain lines, I agree that three lines that "can work together", but really don't feels unnecessary, especially when their own copy/pasting isn't always so great. I could live with a Rogue Trader supplement, giving me rules on ships, space, and that stuff, and something akin to the Elite Advances packages for Inquisitor, Psyker, and Blank to make special characters for the Rogue Trader's retinue because let's be honest; you had to be something before you got your Warrant, be it a soldier, a pirate, an Inquisitor, something, and even if you were a Scion in waiting, the heir to an already old line, you did something to be trained, and to reflect the sort of character theme you envision, be it a hard-ass Navy Officer, or a charismatic pirate/gigolo, and adding a "Rogue Trader Elite Advance" to that feels fine. As for the rest, one thing I never liked was how their fighters differed from DH's fighters, while their psykers (Astropaths) were so different we had to wonder if a Rogue Trader COULD get a battle-psyker, apart from the space-cell phone who happens to pick sme up, to enjoy the game. A supplement that uses the same rules might flow better than the stand-alone nature of the first several lines. Deathwatch might be harder, because they aren't often seen as skillful, and their job should be so different, but whatever.

If GW quashes it, too bad. Otherwise, I could very much like a Rogue Trader supplement to Dark Heresy 2, to do something cool with ships, limitless money, and sleeping with [bLAM...heresy!] obliterating the myriad aliens that plague the universe. Also, I've already bought 36 FFG 40K books, and wouldn't mind "RT 2e" only needing one more, rather than another line of 14?, many with duplicated info, and stuff I don't need. It might not fit with their business plan, but I can always hope. ;) Otherwise, I doubt it would be too hard to fan-spin something up, with the stuff from BC, OW, and DH2 as a reference. Official is always better, even when I say "um, nope!", and pull a Wesley Crusher, anyway, but I don't imagine it would be too hard to do, if they don't deign to accept my money.

As for an official end, I don't mean to be negative of FFG, but I doubt they'd really tell us, until the day the forums disappear, after the license expires. I remember when Bandai still did Naruto cards, and they were approaching what seemed (it wasn't quite) the end of the manga. They could've squeezed a few more sets out, but they didn't, and after they announced the last set, and people bought it up, they then announced it was the last set. In this way, people still felt invested, and thus invested into it. If you think the game's power creep, coupled with the manga's own internal power creep, had something to do with it, I suppose, but I like to think it was a bit of "this game is slightly losing popularity", and coupled with wanting the last set to still sell, rather than be "the last set? Why buy this, then? The game is over." I'm not a business student, and maybe Bandai's hold on the license was coming up, I don't know, but a lot of us were caught off-guard, and very unhappy with the surprise Bandai fed us. FFG might have a much better track record than this, but from a purely money-making standpoint, I can see being cagey with the discontinuation of a product being quiet, until after something just came out; otherwise, they've hopefully got you wondering. That's just me, of course.

I think there's a reasonably good chance that RT will get either a DH2 expansion or the full 2nd ed. treatment. These forums are still pretty active especially when you consider that RT is the second oldest of the product line! Like Venkelos, I'm Ok with it either way but I really hope we do see it soon! I would happily participate in the beta test if one was offered!

I think I'd favor an expansion format for one other reason; focus. In this case, what I mean is how much focus the publisher can give. When DH was new, I don't know how many other things FFG was giving their attention to, but if you thought of it like most editions of D&D, you just hoped, and waited, for further books. Then Rogue Trader came out, and you might've said "wait, does that end DH?" They might've both continued for a while, but then DH might've started to pitter off, and we got Deathwatch. After a point, with six separate 40k lines, that's a lot for them to have to maintain, and that's just 40k stuff. Now, they also have Star Wars, if you like their take on it, and sort of three lines of that.

I don't see Star Wars drying up anytime soon. Now that the Force Awakens is out, they can freely do more books, if that was holding them back, and everyone loves Star Wars. As for 40k, it might be better for RT 2.0 if it were an expansion, just so that FFG can do it, and will continue to support it, while also doing various, potentially more successful Star Wars books (I'm only comparing my perceived popularity of Star Wars, compared to that of Warhammer 40,000; statistics might not support me), and whatever additional things FFG does make (Anima, Dawnforge, Dragonstar, anything else they are still supporting). While it might stifle the overall amount of new RT I'll get, it seems a better plan in my head, at least, rather than supporting another whole line, using the same, already existing rules as three of their already standing lines (two of which might be D&O), and making people wonder if DH 2.0 is "already dead", or what. I've got enough material in all but one book of the entire RT line to work with, after they do the work of making the RT stuff in line with DH2/OW/BC rules.