Seriously, no.

Seriously, no.

Even if I thought this was a solid idea it seems silly to restrict a ship's fix a la the advanced and the x1 title. Literally the only reason the ship is playable is the title, so were one to for some reason make a restricted list I feel like fixes are exempt at minimum.

No thank you.

Good idea, bad implementation.

Better impelementation: list the top pilots and upgrades in the game as Restricted and say that a squad may only contain up to 5 restricted cards. Thus, you can still fly Soontir Fel with all his upgrades, but not in the same squad as Vader and the Emperor.

No. If they do, someone's getting there arm ripped off.

Their.

Could also be a punctuation thing.

To the actual topic at hand? No.

Or we could let people play the game and have no restrictions??

A more constructive response:

This list contains 19 of the game's 31 available ships. That means 2/3rds of the models in the game are apparently competitively viable. That's an exceptionally varied meta and cutting that much of the game would be unlikely to produce as many viable ships in response.

This is less of a restriced list and more taking a fire axe to the game mechanics.

A restriced list is meant to limit a combination that's so powerful it distorts things. This is trying to ban just about everything that's not Flechette Scyks and naked Maarek.

The problem with restricted lists is that they sometimes unintentionally neuter novel lists that are hardly seen. For example, VI + Engine Upgrade is great for Bossk, but you hardly see him. If you restrict those, you've eliminated a good build for a ship that doesn't see as much play as some others.

For my part, I just choose to play 2 games: the more limited competitive game and the more open casual game. Both are fun and both have their own list-building strategies. I'd hate to see either game go away. No matter how viable you make each ship, there are always sub-par builds that will be fun to fly. If I want to fly something different, I fly it in a casual match.

Restricting combos isn't a bad plan, but this list looks like OP looked up everything anyone flew in Worlds and banned it. Grey Squadron Pilot? Seriously?

This might be an interesting constraint for a one-off.

I doubt I'd want to play with those restrictions twice.

The problem with restricted lists is that they sometimes unintentionally neuter novel lists that are hardly seen. For example, VI + Engine Upgrade is great for Bossk, but you hardly see him. If you restrict those, you've eliminated a good build for a ship that doesn't see as much play as some others.

For my part, I just choose to play 2 games: the more limited competitive game and the more open casual game. Both are fun and both have their own list-building strategies. I'd hate to see either game go away. No matter how viable you make each ship, there are always sub-par builds that will be fun to fly. If I want to fly something different, I fly it in a casual match.

To be fair, my example was just bringing up what I had proposed during the height of Falcon madness last year. Looking at the Worlds, there does not appear to be anything problematic that would require a restricted list at the moment.

My first thought was no, but then I was thinking, well it might not be too bad, lets see the li-holy cow. That is just a straight ban for most of those pilots, and it's pretty much everything that is any good, no thanks.

Maybe if you loosened it up a lot. Like say you can't take Poe with all of the listed upgrades, but you could take him with all but one of them. If you take just one upgrade away from him, he drops from really really good to just pretty good, still flyable. Fel would still be a problem though, without all of his usual upgrades he would be awful in the tournament scene.

Personally, I'd rather see more card errata than restricted lists, given the nature of the game (not a huge fan of errata either, but if a correction becomes necessary). I think the current state of the game is fine, nothing bad enough to warrant any major corrections like this.

Ok I think I understand where you are trying to come from. However 2 things.

1) This game isn't the last game you played, too often players try to compare this game to numerous others (including magic for some reason).

2) A restricted or banned list is very unlikely. While some seasons may be more dull than others, bans are usually in place to remove something that is notably too powerful, and even then in the case of Imperial Assault, the wordings were changed on cards that were causing issues.

Now an idea is that for local/unsactioned tournaments, you could do something cross faction, or make up your own rules. However, as far as this game goes I cannot see or understand a list like yours being incorporated.

I've only just started playing X-wing a few months now and I haven't done tournament play as of yet but I intend to do so very soon.

I can understand the reasoning behind the idea, but I believe the proscribed list so far can't work because it doesn't factor in all of the new ships and upgrade cards from wave 8, as well as the Gozanti pilots. I really think "Guidance Chips" will be a subtle game changer this year in the tourneys.

I believe FFG really pays attention to how players run their lists. They choose to keep variety by adding more options each year with the addition of new cards and changes to old rules at certain times (Do you really think they only just figured out the "ordanace problem" or were they just waiting to add enough card options to the game so that the "fix" wouldn't overpower everything for years?).

Trust in the force (FFG)

Seriously, I just started playing and now they are going to start banning/restricting stuff. I really hope this is a joke. I could see the necessity if the same ships keep making it the the finals every year. You have got to give players a chance to use different tactics, pilots, ships, etc. to adapt to a "winning list".

This "everybody has to have a fair chance" crap is really starting to get on my nerves. Why not limit how many ships one can use, or tell people you can only use the ships on a given list, before a tournament. I know I cannot afford to buy everything at once, I want to be competitive so I have to figure out how to win with what I have. If you take what I can play with, then why even play.

If you give 20 people the exact same ships, pilots, upgrades, they will fly them different. Let people play what they want to play and see what happens.

Again, I hope this is a joke.

Seriously, I just started playing and now they are going to start banning/restricting stuff. I really hope this is a joke. I could see the necessity if the same ships keep making it the the finals every year. You have got to give players a chance to use different tactics, pilots, ships, etc. to adapt to a "winning list".

This "everybody has to have a fair chance" crap is really starting to get on my nerves. Why not limit how many ships one can use, or tell people you can only use the ships on a given list, before a tournament. I know I cannot afford to buy everything at once, I want to be competitive so I have to figure out how to win with what I have. If you take what I can play with, then why even play.

If you give 20 people the exact same ships, pilots, upgrades, they will fly them different. Let people play what they want to play and see what happens.

Again, I hope this is a joke.

No. This is one ridiculous post by a player. There is nothing official about this. At all.

^ unless a link directs you to another FFG page, assume everything are just player ideas.

Seriously, I just started playing and now they are going to start banning/restricting stuff. I really hope this is a joke. I could see the necessity if the same ships keep making it the the finals every year. You have got to give players a chance to use different tactics, pilots, ships, etc. to adapt to a "winning list".

This "everybody has to have a fair chance" crap is really starting to get on my nerves. Why not limit how many ships one can use, or tell people you can only use the ships on a given list, before a tournament. I know I cannot afford to buy everything at once, I want to be competitive so I have to figure out how to win with what I have. If you take what I can play with, then why even play.

If you give 20 people the exact same ships, pilots, upgrades, they will fly them different. Let people play what they want to play and see what happens.

Again, I hope this is a joke.

No. This is one ridiculous post by a player. There is nothing official about this. At all.

Seriously, I just started playing and now they are going to start banning/restricting stuff. I really hope this is a joke. I could see the necessity if the same ships keep making it the the finals every year. You have got to give players a chance to use different tactics, pilots, ships, etc. to adapt to a "winning list".

This "everybody has to have a fair chance" crap is really starting to get on my nerves. Why not limit how many ships one can use, or tell people you can only use the ships on a given list, before a tournament. I know I cannot afford to buy everything at once, I want to be competitive so I have to figure out how to win with what I have. If you take what I can play with, then why even play.

If you give 20 people the exact same ships, pilots, upgrades, they will fly them different. Let people play what they want to play and see what happens.

Again, I hope this is a joke.

No. This is one ridiculous post by a player. There is nothing official about this. At all.

This isn't a joke and it isn't a ridiculous post either. It is just an idea someone proposed and asked his fellow gamers what they thought of it. There is no need to harshly critique the proposer just because he wanted to express a concern.

He asked for feedback. My feedback is that it's ridiculous. I'd pull out harsh, but I don't want to be perma-banned.

Huh?

If that is the restricted list you can expect a large number of players to just say "screw it" as it is a royal pain to follow. Besides, who is going to check that everything is followed because if something slips in who is going to remember all of those obscure restrictions.

IF one wanted to shake up a tournament with a restricted list I say keep it simple. Perhaps forcing a singleton game where there can be no repeats among upgrades and no more than two or three of any given ship type.

Huh?

If that is the restricted list you can expect a large number of players to just say "screw it" as it is a royal pain to follow. Besides, who is going to check that everything is followed because if something slips in who is going to remember all of those obscure restrictions.

IF one wanted to shake up a tournament with a restricted list I say keep it simple. Perhaps forcing a singleton game where there can be no repeats among upgrades and no more than two or three of any given ship type.

The Battle of Yavin would be banned under that suggestion.

Sorry Episode Four, you're not allowed in here. We don't serve your kind.

Seriously, I just started playing and now they are going to start banning/restricting stuff. I really hope this is a joke. I could see the necessity if the same ships keep making it the the finals every year. You have got to give players a chance to use different tactics, pilots, ships, etc. to adapt to a "winning list".

This "everybody has to have a fair chance" crap is really starting to get on my nerves. Why not limit how many ships one can use, or tell people you can only use the ships on a given list, before a tournament. I know I cannot afford to buy everything at once, I want to be competitive so I have to figure out how to win with what I have. If you take what I can play with, then why even play.

If you give 20 people the exact same ships, pilots, upgrades, they will fly them different. Let people play what they want to play and see what happens.

Again, I hope this is a joke.

This is someone who read what they just did with another game, perhaps a few of the knee jerk reactions, and completely not understanding what they did. The Most Wanted List is not a "ban all good combos" list that this is.

Okay so first things first. In light of recent news from Android Netrunner preparing for store tournament season they posted sort of a restricted lists for competitive play called NAPD's Most Wanted list. Not going too much into details but it adds some extra restrictions that doesn't ban cards but makes them more difficult to place in decks. now I want to make my position clear that I consider X-wing a miniatures and not a card game where model position is more important than card stats and jousting values so I don't consider a restricted/ban list necessary for X-wing.

However I have though of ways to shake up competitive gameplay not by banning meta game but banning meta pilot upgrade combos with the restricted list. As mentioned the restricted list was taken from the top results of the last premier tournaments (nationals and worlds) and instead of banning powerful cards like Soontir Fel or Veteran instincts it instead prohibits combinations with upgrade cards like IG-88B w/HLC. Also it focuses on making highly efficient blank generics to be up on cost requiring them to take an upgrade while making more room for less efficient generics like Knave squadron pilot which will have no restrictions.

Here is the list

Here is the restricted list using the results from the Top 16 of worlds with the Top 4 of all 2015 nationals.

All pilots listed below can be played, they just cannot equip any upgrade cards listed next to them. Also any pilot with blank must have an upgrade card equipped as long as it is not listed next to that pilot, So a Blue Squadron pilot must have an upgrade that is not B-wing/E2 title, Fire Control System or any other upgrade listed next to it. Upgrade cards are not banned to a ship type instead it is only banned on the listed pilot (so using the list you can take Captian Yorr with Emperor Palpatine, or Hired Gun with TLT and Unhinged Astro.)

Rebels

• Poe Dameron: Veteran Instincts, R2-D2, R5-P9, Autothrusters.
• Corran Horn: Veteran Instincts, Push the Limits, R2-D2, Fire Control System, Advanced Sensors, Engine Upgrade, Shield Upgrade
• Miranda Doni: Tactician, Recon Specalist, C-3PO, Chewbacca, Extra Munitions, Homing Missiles, Twin Laser Turret, Seismic Charge, Conner Net, Advanced SLAM
• Warden Squadron Pilot: Tactician, Twin Laser Turret
• Dash Rendar: Push the Limit, Lone Wolf, Predator, R2-D2 <crew>, Chewbacca, Kyle Katan, Recon Specialist, Heavy Laser Cannon, Mangler Cannon, Outrider Title, Engine Upgrade, Anti-Pursuit Lasers
• Eaden Vrill: Recon Specialist, Heavy Laser Cannon, Anti-Pursuit Lasers
• Han Solo: Predator, Luke Skywalker, R2-D2 <crew>, C-3PO, Millennium Falcon title, Engine Upgrade
• Chewbacca: Predator, C-3PO, Luke Skywalker, Millennium Falcon title
• Gray Squadron Pilot: R3-A2, Twin Laser Turret, BTL-A4 title
• Gold Squadron Pilot: R3-A2, R2 Astromech, Ion Cannon Turret, Twin Laser Turret, Autoblaster Turret, BTL-A4 title
• Blue Squadron Pilot: blank, Fire Control System, B-wing/E2 title, Tactician
• Bandit Squadron Pilot: blank
• Jake Farrell: Veteran Instincts, Push the Limits, Proton Rockets, Chardaan Refit, A-wing Test pilot, Autothrusters
• Prototype Pilot: Chardaan Refit

Imperials

• Darth Vader: Predator, Lone Wolf, Veteran Instincts, Proton Rockets, Engine Upgrade, TIE/x1 title, Advanced Targeting Computer
• Juno Eclipse: Veteran Instincts, Stealth Device, TIE/x1 title, Advanced Targeting Computer
• ​Lieutenant Colzet: Tie/x1 title, Advanced Targeting Computer
• Tempest Squadron Pilot: TIE/x1 title, Accuracy Corrector
• Soontir Fel: Push the Limits, Royal Guard TIE title, Stealth Device, Autothrusters, Targeting Computer
• Canor Jax: Push the Limits, Royal Guard TIE title, Stealth Device, Autothrusters, Shield Upgrade
• Omicron Group Pilot: Emperor Palpatine, Darth Vader, Sensor Jammer, Fire Control System
• Whisper: Veteran Instincts, Rebel Captive, Intelligence Agent, Sensor Jammer, Fire Control System, Advanced Cloakign Device
• Rear Admiral Chiraneau: Predator, Veteran Instincts, Ysanne Issard, Gunner, Darth Vader, Engine Upgrade
• Commander Kenkirk: Lone Wolf, Emperor Palpatine, Ysanne Issard, Engine upgrade
• Captian Oicunn: Predator, Ysanne Issard, Rebel Captive, Gunner, Proximity Mine, Engine upgrade
• Patrol Leader: Darth Vader
• Howlrunner: blank, Veteran Instincts, Crackshot, Hull Upgrade
• Obsidian Squadron Pilot: blank
• Academy Pilot: blank

Scum

• IG-88 A: Crackshot, Heavy Laser Cannon, Fire Control System, Glitterstim, IG-2000 title, Autothrusters
• IG-88 B: Push the Limits, Crackshot, Veteran Instincts, Adrenaline Rush, Heavy Laser Cannon, Mangler Cannon, Advanced Sensors, Fire Control System, Glitterstim, Inertial Dampeners, IG-2000 title, Autothrusters
• IG-88 C: Push the Limits, Veteran Instincts, Heavy Laser Cannon, Mangler Cannon, Fire Control System, Advanced Sensors, Glitterstim, Inertial Dampeners, IG-2000 title, Autothrusters
• Kath Scarlet: Expert Handling, K4 Security Droid, Inertial Dampeners
• Syndicate Thug: Unhinged Astromech, R4 Agromech, Twin Laser Turret, Ion Cannon Turret, BTL-A4 title
• Binayre Pirate: Feedback Array

originally posted here

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