Count me in. I haven't used vassal before, but I can learn.

Time Zone: Mountain Time Zone UTC-07:00

List:

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 400/400
Commander: Admiral Screed
Assault Objective: Precision Strike
Defense Objective: Contested Outpost
Navigation Objective: Superior Positions

[ flagship ] Imperial II-Class Star Destroyer (120 points)

- Admiral Screed ( 26 points)

- Relentless ( 3 points)

- Intel Officer ( 7 points)

- Gunnery Team ( 7 points)

- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)

- XI7 Turbolasers ( 6 points)

- SW 7 Ion Batteries ( 5 points)

Raider-I Class Corvette (44 points)

- Instigator ( 4 points)

- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)

- Assault Concussion Missiles ( 7 points)

Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (56 points)

- Demolisher ( 10 points)

- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)

- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)

1 Major Rhymer ( 16 points)

1 TIE Bomber Squadron ( 9 points)

2 Firespray-31s ( 36 points)

1 JumpMaster 5000 ( 12 points)

1 TIE Advanced Squadron ( 12 points)

Ok. Feels like bidding wars to me. Think about how many times a tournament is ran where you are still allowed to adjust your list after knowing what others have posted their lists. I've never seen a tournament where that was allowed. Just have people post their list in a separate post where edited lists are dqd. That doesn't stop someone from posting last minute after seeing what others are fielding. In xwing, tournaments are done through the TO. Just saying.

It wouldn't even be a difficult thing. Just have all participants pm you their list and post it so everyone can see.

If you don't want to, I volunteer. It's really not hard and makes for a better playing environment.

It's a vassal tournament. This is the easiest and most expedient way to organize it and make sure it's on the up and up. Biggs isn't going to police each game to see if people are changing lists. With the size and scope of this it's just not feasible.

There weren't any mega bids last tournament. No one posting at the last minute with 11 point bid. Most play with a moderate or no bid at all. It seems like (most) people here are on the up and up, and just want another means to play. I mean, no one's winning anything and if someone wants to game the system to win an online and meaningless tournament, go ahead. It just seems unnecessary and ultimately pointless in what should be a friendly tournament.

That's what it is, right? A friendly tournament? No one's winning medals or cards or anything. Let's not over complicate things.

Red 5, standing by!

I'm in, sitting pretty in GMT+8.

And this time, I'm bringin' some nerfherdin' squadrons!

*Edit - here's my amended list.

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 391/400

Commander: Admiral Screed

Victory I-Class Star Destroyer (73 points)
- Admiral Screed ( 26 points)

Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (56 points)
- Demolisher ( 10 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- Engine Techs ( 8 points)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)

Imperial II-Class Star Destroyer (120 points)
- Relentless ( 3 points)
- Gunnery Team ( 7 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)

1 "Howlrunner" ( 16 points)
2 TIE Interceptor Squadrons ( 22 points)
1 Soontir Fel ( 18 points)
2 TIE Fighter Squadrons ( 16 points)

Hi all, new member here. I'd very much like to jump in, though I've only toyed with vassal and never played an actual game on it.

Anyway, I'm GMT +1 and I will be available to play mostly on wednesday and thursday evenings and during weekends.

List to follow.

On a sidenote, during this holydays I'm up for vassal practice: if you want to practice too, or you're just a nice person that wants to help a newb out, pm me and play.

I am in.

Time Zone GMT+11

Available times: Weekdays before 8:00pm, aside from Tuesday afternoons.

List:

MC80 Assault (114)

-Ackbar (38)

-Intel Officer (7)

-Engine Techs (8)

-Electronic Countermeasures (7)

-Leading Shots (4)

-XI7 Turbolasers (6)

-Home One (7)

191

CR90 A (44)

-Turbolaser Reroute Circuits (7)

-Jaina's Light (2)

53

CR90 A (44)

-Turbolaser Reroute Circuits (7)

51

CR90 A (44)

-Turbolaser Reroute Circuits (7)

51

Squadrons

2x YT-2400

2x A-Wing

54

Total: 400

I am in. New Zealand Daylight Savings Time (+13)

My availability is TBC depending on work.

After going ship heavy last time I've flipped to squadron heavy. Also trying a new commander to try and break my reliance on Motti.

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 400 391/400

Commander: Grand Moff Tarkin

Assault Objective: Precision Strike
Defense Objective: Contested Outpost
Navigation Objective: Superior Positions

Victory II-Class Star Destroyer (85 points)
- Expanded Hangar Bay ( 5 points)

- Corruptor (5 points)

[ flagship ] Imperial I-Class Star Destroyer (110 points)
- Grand Moff Tarkin ( 38 points)
- Admiral Chiraneau ( 10 points)
- Expanded Hangar Bay ( 5 points)

- Boosted Comms (4 points)
- Leading Shots ( 4 points)

4 TIE Bomber Squadrons ( 36 points)
2 TIE Fighter Squadrons ( 16 points)
1 Soontir Fel ( 18 points)
1 TIE Interceptor Squadron ( 11 points)
1 "Howlrunner" ( 16 points)
1 Major Rhymer ( 16 points)
1 Darth Vader ( 21 points)

Edit: Was pointed out that I had Vader in here twice so list updated.

Edit2: F'up when editing the list has resulted in the crossed out upgrades not being recorded in the list at closing time. Points updated to reflect missing upgrades.

Count me in.

Australian East Coast Daylight Savings Time (GMT+11)

I'm on hols till after January, so my timing is pretty fluid.

List to come, once I've figured out what to run.

UPDATE:

List

CR90A

General Dodonna

Leia Organa

= 67

MC80 Command

Adar Tallon

Boosted Comms

= 120

AF Mk 2 B

Raymus Antillies

Boosted Comms

= 83

8x Scurge Bombers @16

=128

=398

Edit 2:- I have noticed that Qark has signed up. We play regularly at local store.

Ok. However don't say that it's time consuming to run a proper tournament when all you have to do is pm lists. And the vassal thinget being online is a weak ass excuse because xwing has been doing it forever.

Back to the tournament itself, I might be traceiling when the first round starts but I'll try to make it. I'll see later this week.

On my phone

Then go play X-Wing. These are, and have always been, casual tournaments no matter how grand the titles get.

But why take my word for it, let's look at the statistics.

For underbidding on the last tournament.

The stage was set with a 389 bid... on the 28th at 8am. 29th at 7pm was the cutoff.

There were 9 players to post bids the final day, of which only 6 players posted low bids. Of those only one person underbid the group as a whole, at 388 with the rest bidding exactly 390, and he did with multiple hours left on the clock. The tournament winner posted his final edit with 10 hours to go. The last person to bid on the day bid 391. Neither player with the lowest 2 bids did well.

I feel the need to point out that the last person to edit their list prior to the deadline, the one with 391, was you. You got 2nd place. This is the closest thing in any tournament to an unfair advantage with last minute list changing.

For the Wave 1 Sendoff tournament: There were 3 people posting a list at the last moment. Of those, the bids were 395, 396 and 400.

For the First tournament: Literally all of the low bids were placed at least a day in advance. The only last minute bid was a 300 (out of 300).

I've now spent a lot of time discussing and researching how something that I didn't think was an issue is, actually, a non-issue. Unless someone comes to me with an actual problem with it and not just feelings, the issue is closed.

Hi all, new member here. I'd very much like to jump in, though I've only toyed with vassal and never played an actual game on it.

Anyway, I'm GMT +1 and I will be available to play mostly on wednesday and thursday evenings and during weekends.

List to follow.

On a sidenote, during this holydays I'm up for vassal practice: if you want to practice too, or you're just a nice person that wants to help a newb out, pm me and play.

Welcome to the fun. You're in.

JJs Juggernaut	-6
Zanos	-5
Audere1882	-5
Madaghmire	-5
BiggsIRL	-5
NebulonB	1
Truthiness	7
CaribbeanNinja	-6
clontroper5	-8
CaptainICT	-6
Ardaedhel	-8
Leowulf	10
Onca	0
Reath28	11
Chilligan	3
Shadoer	-7
Doobleg	8
Meidomeda	1
Qark	?
JRockNZ	13
godofcheese	11

21 entries so far with their time zones.

I'm in.
EST(GMT -5)
Sunday - Tuesday is best for me. I can be pretty flexible with times during those days.

JJs Juggernaut	-6
Zanos	-5
Audere1882	-5
Madaghmire	-5
BiggsIRL	-5
NebulonB	1
Truthiness	7
CaribbeanNinja	-6
clontroper5	-8
CaptainICT	-6
Ardaedhel	-8
Leowulf	10
Onca	0
Reath28	11
Chilligan	3
Shadoer	-7
Doobleg	8
Meidomeda	1
Qark	?
JRockNZ	13
godofcheese	11

21 entries so far with their time zones.

Egads. Where are my podbros

Regarding posting your list in the thread: It has been done it this way for the last 3 tournaments, since the very first one I ran. That doesn't necessarily mean it's the best way of doing things, so I actually went all the way back to remind myself of the reasoning I had for setting the first one up this way:

With regards to #2 - my thought there was "I really want to play in this too" so this was to get everyone on the same level, since after all, if you all sent me your registrations, then I could be accused of tailoring mine. Wouldn't do to have any accusations of impropriety. If everyone wants to private message me and have me post them, then I promise on my honor not to cheat and tailor my list to beat the most common lists.

No one wanted to do it that way - everyone posted it in the thread. This is for same reason why no one shows up to their local store tournament with their list in their box, and only pulls it out when the first round pairing are announced. Because it isn't in the spirit of the game. Oddly enough, the thought wasn't to initiative bids, but to specifically tailoring a list to beat the competition.

Ok. Feels like bidding wars to me. Think about how many times a tournament is ran where you are still allowed to adjust your list after knowing what others have posted their lists. I've never seen a tournament where that was allowed. Just have people post their list in a separate post where edited lists are dqd. That doesn't stop someone from posting last minute after seeing what others are fielding. In xwing, tournaments are done through the TO. Just saying.

That's literally every physical tournament ever. Again, do you go to a brick and mortar store and hide your minis until the first round pairing start?

And I'm not going to hand it off "collector" duties to anyone else, because while I personally can promise not to cheat, I can't promise anyone else will. Besides, I'm not feeling like this is a problem.

Ok. However don't say that it's time consuming to run a proper tournament when all you have to do is pm lists. And the vassal thinget being online is a weak ass excuse because xwing has been doing it forever.

Back to the tournament itself, I might be traceiling when the first round starts but I'll try to make it. I'll see later this week.

On my phone

Then go play X-Wing. These are, and have always been, casual tournaments no matter how grand the titles get.

But why take my word for it, let's look at the statistics.

For underbidding on the last tournament.

The stage was set with a 389 bid... on the 28th at 8am. 29th at 7pm was the cutoff.

There were 9 players to post bids the final day, of which only 6 players posted low bids. Of those only one person underbid the group as a whole, at 388 with the rest bidding exactly 390, and he did with multiple hours left on the clock. The tournament winner posted his final edit with 10 hours to go. The last person to bid on the day bid 391. Neither player with the lowest 2 bids did well.

I feel the need to point out that the last person to edit their list prior to the deadline, the one with 391, was you. You got 2nd place. This is the closest thing in any tournament to an unfair advantage with last minute list changing.

For the Wave 1 Sendoff tournament: There were 3 people posting a list at the last moment. Of those, the bids were 395, 396 and 400.

For the First tournament: Literally all of the low bids were placed at least a day in advance. The only last minute bid was a 300 (out of 300).

I've now spent a lot of time discussing and researching how something that I didn't think was an issue is, actually, a non-issue. Unless someone comes to me with an actual problem with it and not just feelings, the issue is closed.

Biggs, you are doing fine, totally sufficient how this is planned. As for the bidding thing, I think I had the lowest point value last time. I did not even think about checking what others have (although its easy for me to claim so, no one cannot prove otherwise), and I probably wasnt the last one to hand in (didnt check, though). If I wanted to win such a tourney, boy, I would have to look elsewhere (my movement).

I think I'll have to sit this one out. With a recertification exam at the end of Jan I really should be studying. Next round though!!

JJs Juggernaut	-6
Zanos	-5
Audere1882	-5
Madaghmire	-5
BiggsIRL	-5
NebulonB	1
Truthiness	7
CaribbeanNinja	-6
clontroper5	-8
CaptainICT	-6
Ardaedhel	-8
Leowulf	10
Onca	0
Reath28	11
Chilligan	3
Shadoer	-7
Doobleg	8
Meidomeda	1
Qark	?
JRockNZ	13
godofcheese	11

21 entries so far with their time zones.

Ack, I just noticed I flubbed my time zone in my first post. I'm GMT-7, not +7. Sorry for the oopsie.

In the time it took you to write me that reply you could have copy and pasted 20 pmd lists

Don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm just telling you what others are doing, and if you're so adamant on labeling this a casual tournament then that's OK as well.

I don't know why you keep giving the example of hiding stuff in a box. When I go to a tournament, I have a list printed out ahead of time, ready to hand in. I don't walk around the store and make last minute changes based on what I see. The list is already printed or has already been sent to the TO. Pm lists would eliminate any chance of initiate bidding, with minimal effort, but you're letting the window open on people's good graces. You're the TO, you do whatever you want. I'm just pointing out a vulnerability

I'll know later this week if I can make it for sure, but I will be 2 days late for my first match regardless if it starts on the 4th.

My timezone is PST. I think that's gmt-8

GMT-8. Same mistake I made.

GMT-8. Same mistake I made.

Right on. I'll go edit.

On a very positive note for all new participants and some older familiar faces, use every last second to playtest your lists since you can edit them all the way until the deadline. That's a huge plus side for the players in this kind of tournament

I'm in, gmt -5. I am not experienced with vassal so please be patient! Will send list when home from holiday vacation.

I'm pretty sure that being hostile towards one of the most respected members of this community over how he runs his tournaments, especially since he's the only one making the efforts to organize these things, is probably not a smart idea. You're the only one clamoring for it, and it was already put to the group to decide two or three tournaments ago and people agreed to have it how it is.

I'm not really sure why you have to be so aggressive in asserting what you think is right. Between this and the fireball thread, I think you need to reassess how you want to be viewed by this community. I'm sure you mean well, but you go about it all wrong.

I'm pretty sure that being hostile towards one of the most respected members of this community over how he runs his tournaments, especially since he's the only one making the efforts to organize these things, is probably not a smart idea. You're the only one clamoring for it, and it was already put to the group to decide two or three tournaments ago and people agreed to have it how it is.

I'm not really sure why you have to be so aggressive in asserting what you think is right. Between this and the fireball thread, I think you need to reassess how you want to be viewed by this community. I'm sure you mean well, but you go about it all wrong.

let's all just drop it and move on. It doesn't matter

Preach it brother. The issue was closed on page 2 after it was brought up and properly investigated. We are already at 6 posts too many on the subject after it was closed - this post included.

Let's make this post useful and germane to what this thread is actually about:

JJs Juggernaut	-6
Zanos	-5
Audere1882	-5
Madaghmire	-5
BiggsIRL	-5
NebulonB	1
Truthiness	-7
CaribbeanNinja	-6
clontroper5	-8
CaptainICT	-6
Ardaedhel	-8
Leowulf	10
Onca	0
Reath28	11
Chilligan	3
Shadoer	-7
Doobleg	8
Meidomeda	1
Qark	?
JRockNZ	13
godofcheese	11
Quadro28	-5
HERO	-8

Now at 23 players. The next "normal" number for even elimination matchups is 32.

I'm pretty sure that being hostile towards one of the most respected members of this community over how he runs his tournaments, especially since he's the only one making the efforts to organize these things, is probably not a smart idea. You're the only one clamoring for it, and it was already put to the group to decide two or three tournaments ago and people agreed to have it how it is.

I'm not really sure why you have to be so aggressive in asserting what you think is right. Between this and the fireball thread, I think you need to reassess how you want to be viewed by this community. I'm sure you mean well, but you go about it all wrong.

I wasn't in the tournaments when it was "decided" and I brought up a completely valid concern to the TO. We are talking about it fine in this thread, but it should probably should have gone to pm.

Honestly though, grow some thicker skin. Biggs is more than capable of talking for himself. Thanks.

Mad Max 3: Beyond Thunderdome... no idea why this is ringin' my bell right now...

Biggs, you da man!