Expansion questions

By szwanger, in General Discussion

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Some questions came up during a recent game.

1) Yig, when awakened, says that whenever doom advances, remove an eldritch token from it. If the omen moves and causes doom to advance 3 spaces (because 3 gates match the omen), do we remove 3 eldritch tokens from Yig or just one?

2) Some assets and tasks accumulate eldritch tokens. What happens to those tokens when the investigator is defeated?

3) The Sledgehammer from Under the Pyramids says "Gain +1 Str, gain +2 Str during combat encounters" -- since bonuses don't stack, this only grants a total of +2 during combat encounters, right?

4) Under the Pyramids comes with a second Expedition marker, but I couldn't find any rules that say what to do with it.

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1) Yig, when awakened, says that whenever doom advances, remove an eldritch token from it. If the omen moves and causes doom to advance 3 spaces (because 3 gates match the omen), do we remove 3 eldritch tokens from Yig or just one?

Remove 3 Eldritch Tokens.

2) Some assets and tasks accumulate eldritch tokens. What happens to those tokens when the investigator is defeated?

The tokens (Eldritch or other) remain on the task.

3) The Sledgehammer from Under the Pyramids says "Gain +1 Str, gain +2 Str during combat encounters" -- since bonuses don't stack, this only grants a total of +2 during combat encounters, right?

Right.

4) Under the Pyramids comes with a second Expedition marker, but I couldn't find any rules that say what to do with it.

One of the new Preludes uses it. All of the relevant rules are given on the prelude card.

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The Wooden Puppet grants 1 reroll.

Can I use it during his own Str-1 test, even though it is on the other side during Reckoning?

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Greetings fellow investigators around the world :)

I have a quick question regarding the Book of the Dead artifact introduced in Under the Pyramids. It states that "whenever a monster is killed, gain a clue". Not "whenever you defeat a monster...".

The literal interpretation of this suggests if any investigator defeats a monster, another investigator with the Book of the Dead should gain a clue. Is that right? It sounds too good to be true and while playing against Nephren-ka yesterday I decided not to do that. Then again, it is an artifact and artifacts can be incredibly powerful.

I'd appreciate some advice to help clarify this.

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The Wooden Puppet grants 1 reroll.

Can I use it during his own Str-1 test, even though it is on the other side during Reckoning?

Now that's a great question! Yes, you can.

I can provide the reasoning later, as now I'm logging out.

Edit: I was wrong. You can't.

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It states that "whenever a monster is killed, gain a clue". Not "whenever you defeat a monster...".

"Whenever a monster is defeated". You actually got me confused, because you have used the word "defeat" correctly in the next sentence.

The literal interpretation of this suggests if any investigator defeats a monster, another investigator with the Book of the Dead should gain a clue. Is that right?

Absolutely right.

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Yep, I noticed that myself after posting. Sorry for the befuddlement - my sanity must be lower than I thought!

Thanks for the quick response (on a side-note, my not gaining the clues didn't even matter for that game - I beat Nephren-ka surprisingly comfortably, pre-awakening, on my second attempt. That's what happens in those rare instances when the Mythos deck takes pity on you and someone like Agnes has both Plumb the Void and Blessings of Isis).

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The Wooden Puppet grants 1 reroll.

Can I use it during his own Str-1 test, even though it is on the other side during Reckoning?

Now that's a great question! Yes, you can.

I can provide the reasoning later, as now I'm logging out.

Please, I am dying to know :)

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The Wooden Puppet grants 1 reroll.

Can I use it during his own Str-1 test, even though it is on the other side during Reckoning?

Now that's a great question! Yes, you can.
I can provide the reasoning later, as now I'm logging out.

Please, I am dying to know :)

I am sorry for the delay.
To explain this, I wanted to first sift through my gamebox for a needed example.
Unfortunately I don't have time for that know as a multitude of chores has assaulted me due to my wife being sick.
I'll just write what I remember.
One of the backs of Cursed condition is the precedent. It's called Harried if I recall correctly.
On that flip side you are ambushed by a monster. There's also a reminder that only 6's count as your successes.
The key point is that's not a rule text, it's only a reminder (written in parenthesis if I recall correctly) - the card would work exactly the same without this reminder.
Throughout this whole Combat Encounter the front side of the Cursed Condition is not visible, yet it still applies.

If it works this way for one double-sided card, it works this way for all of them.
I just wanted to see the card to make sure.

As far as I know that Cursed Condition, and the Wodden Puppet would be the only two cards affected by this rule. That may be the reason why it was omitted from the rules (Or was it? I am unable to check the Reference Guide now)

So now you know what I know. I hope my memory's fine and I'm not misleading anyone.

If this matter is not covered in the Refererence Guide, then it would be good idea to ask for clarification at some point.

Edit: I have asked, and my assumptions weren't correct.

The text on "Harried" is a rules text, like any other. I am sorry for misleading you.
Why FFG decided that it needs parenthesis and different font style, unlike any other rules text, is beyond me.
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The Wooden Puppet grants 1 reroll.

Can I use it during his own Str-1 test, even though it is on the other side during Reckoning?

I have asked FFG for clarification. You can't.

Only the effects of the faceup side of a double-sided card apply. That is to say, while a double-sided card is flipped, only the effects of its back matter.

In the case of the Wooden Puppet, this means the investigator would not be able to use the reroll effect from the puppet’s front.
In some cases, effects from the card’s front will be restated on the back of the card. For example, the “Harried” back for the Cursed Condition from the base game states “only 6’s count as successes on your tests.”
Edited by tsuma534
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The Wooden Puppet grants 1 reroll.

Can I use it during his own Str-1 test, even though it is on the other side during Reckoning?

I have asked FFG for clarification. You can't.

Only the effects of the faceup side of a double-sided card apply. That is to say, while a double-sided card is flipped, only the effects of its back matter.

In the case of the Wooden Puppet, this means the investigator would not be able to use the reroll effect from the puppet’s front.
In some cases, effects from the card’s front will be restated on the back of the card. For example, the “Harried” back for the Cursed Condition from the base game states “only 6’s count as successes on your tests.”

Thanks for your dedication :)

Actually like this, makes more sense.