hell no. Not giving up seismics

Okay again let me explain how the restricted list works.

I couldn't give less of a crap about a restricted list

the 2 points needed to get a hired gun would have me toss out Extra munis, losing a seismic

zat is unacceptable, even though a Hired gun would probably be more competitive given people are wising up on how to counter TLTs with higher PS

First you are saying that raising up 2 points for the cost inconveniencing your list thus ruining it will make it more competitive because of a 4 (mid-level Pilots skill one of the worst of all) would be more competitive? No you are not running the so called crap you are running Thug TLT one of the most competitive list in the current meta! So yeah ditch your TLT or ditch the EM and extra sisemic charge to upgrade to a Hired Gun.

The whole point is to break down the top competitive list for something that is less competitive. Hired Gun is not competitive because of the point cost increase as you already shared your grievances (which means the list is working) that you have to make sacrifices. Having 4 Hired guns with TLT means that you will have to throw out the unhinged astromech or throw out a Scum wing. When it comes to low pilot skill more is better, that is the whole point of the restricted list. Ships that are highly efficient in point cost such as naked Academy pilot or Prototype with Chardaan Refit will now have to spend more points to use by equipping a targeting computer on an Academy and dropping the refit on the Prototype.

Just because you put a lesser used upgrade on a Top meta tier ship doesn't make that ship crap. If you want to continue to run Thugs/Golds with TLTs you are in the wrong thread because this is an anti-meta discussion.

I like your restricted list idea.

As someone who wanted desperately for ACD to be banned and currently wants the Outrider Title banned, it's a novel idea. Having to jump through hoops to run alt versions of competitive lists or Grays instead of Gold's or B-Wings without E2 and at least 1 upgrade would be interesting. It would make for an interesting event.

But nope, people need to run their overpowered cookie cutter Super Poes and Soontirs and Corrans and Super Dashes.

You have good taste.

How about this one:

Bossk with VI, gunner, k4, hlc, inertial dampeners and eu.

2 Spice Runners with TLT

It's too bad you can't take Bossk with himself. That might just make the YV competitive.

I've been looking for ways to get the T-65 X-Wing back into my four ship Rebel lists, without Integrated Astromech for the time being because we don't play with/proxy unreleased cards.

Turns out Wedge with Predator and BB-8 is a really solid fighter, and Luke with VI and R2-D2 is like a slightly less manoeuvrable Poe for a considerable point bargain.

That said, I'm yet to win a game running either of them, but that's mostly due to flying mistakes and poor backup.

"Flea Market Montgomery"

Captain Kagi + Sensor Jammer

Zertik Strom + non-ATC system

Carnor Jax

Dark Curse

99 points. You can go ATC on Zertik, or Intel Agent/Enhanced Scopes on Kagi. It's just like a mini-mall, hey hey.

I define crap as something that is either hard to utilize properly, has a low jousting efficiency, leaves little margin for error, or gives the opponent an opening they can use against you. Usually, two or more of these criteria at once.

So basically any top meta build in the past 3 years. A little hard to follow.

I would rather make a restricted list based off of excluding the top cut of the latest premier tournament. In this case worlds. I would take all the pilot cards both unique and generic from the Top cut and all the upgrades that were attached would not be legal. Example Soontir can be played but Soontir cannot have the following upgrades Push The Limits, Royal Guard Pilot, or Autothrusters because those were attached to a Soontir Fel that made the cut. Both Push the limits and Autothrusters can still be used they just can't be equipped ed to Soontir Fel. As for generic ships that often come naked I would attache a "blank" to the list of restricted upgrades. Blank means that you can't run that pilot card naked you will have to put at least one point upgrade on it. For example if a naked Syndicate Thug made the top cut Syndicate Thug without upgrades would not be allowed but Syndicate Thug with "Genius" would be legal. Or You could just run a naked Hire Gun instead.

So using these guidelines and the top 8 results from Worlds here would be the restricted list.

Rebels

• Poe Dameron: Veteran Instincts, R2-D2, R5-P9, Autothrusters.
• Corran Horn: Veteran Instincts, Push the Limits, R2-D2, Fire Control System, Engine Upgrade
• Miranda Doni: Tactician, Twin Laser Turret
• Dash Rendar: Push the Limit, Kyle Katan, Heavy Laser Cannon, Outrider Title, Engine Upgrade
• Gold Squadron Pilot: R3-A2, Twin Laser Turret, BTL-A4 title
• Bandit Squadron Pilot: blank
• Prototype Pilot: Chardan Refit
• Warden Squadron Pilot: Tactician, Twin Laser Turret

Imperials

• Darth Vader: Predator, Lone Wolf, TIE/x1 title, Advanced Targeting Computer
• Soontir Fel: Push the Limits, Royal Guard TIE title, Stealth Device, Autothrusters
• Canor Jax: Push the Limits, Royal Guard TIE title, Stealth Device, Autothrusters
• Omicron Group Pilot: Emperor Palpatine, Sensor Jammer

Scum

• IG-88 A: Crackshot, Heavy Laser Cannon, Fire Control System, Glitterstim, IG-2000 title, Autothrusters
• IG-88 B: Crackshot, Heavy Laser Cannon, Fire Control System, Glitterstim, IG-2000 title, Autothrusters
• Syndicate Thug: Unhinged Astromech, Twin Laser Turret.

Again all pilots can be played they just cannot equip any upgrade cards listed next to them. Also any pilot with blank must have an upgrade card equipped as long as it is not listed next to that pilot. Upgrade cards are not banned to a ship type instead it is only banned on the listed pilot (so using the list you can take Captian Yorr with Emperor Palpatine, or Hired Gun with TLT and Unhinged Astro.)

Now this of course is just a list using the top cut of Worlds, If you want a more restricted list to reflect the meta I might suggest taking builds from the Top 16 of Worlds, the top 4 of nationals and regional champion. However that is a huge list to compile so I would probably just be lazy and go for top 16 of worlds and top 4 of US nationals and call it good. Unless Major Juggler knows a trick with list juggler that can make restricted list automatically.

Interesting idea.

Not sure if the blank Bandit Z95 is really so good that it has to be restricted. Its a filler which can get lucky. On the same rationale TIE could be restricted.

I'd think that the rest of the resopective lists made it winning, not that Z95 in it. (however if there is hard data to the opposite...)

My 'list made of crap' looks like this:

Etahn a'Baht: R2-D2, Determination

Rookie Pilot (x3)

A good list? Occasionally it hits really hard, but mostly as part of a bigger squad in larger points matches.

How about:

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)

Push the Limit (3)

Heavy Laser Cannon (7)

Shield Upgrade (4)

"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)

Push the Limit (3)

Heavy Laser Cannon (7)

Shield Upgrade (4)

"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)

Push the Limit (3)

Heavy Laser Cannon (7)

Shield Upgrade (4)

"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Total: 99

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

This is hilarious and I really want to see this played. Unfortunately, I've only got one Scyk.

I've played 2 of these with kavil I think a while back against a firespray and something else. I actually won and it was down to a tansari pilot against the firespray and the maneuvarability plus the PTL for focus evade killed the Firespray once it went into the corner. It was fun... but I've never tried this variant. For sure your opponent will be scared of 3 HLCs with focus evade or focus TL.

So basically, just don't play

Nice variety displayed in that restricted list, though

I guess you could say that, but I saw it the opposite way.

Rebels - Turret platforms, Super Aces, Filler

Imperial - Super Aces, Decimators, Filler

Scum - Big ships, Filler

So in short, Super Aces, Turrets, and filler crap. Only exception is S&V since they don't really have a true turret yet, so they are using ships that come as close as possible to either being Aces or Turrets..

Would be nice to see some "mid-range" pilots in there, and more Generics without it just being the cheap filler trash Zs and TIEs. I wish FFG would put out some 4-7 Skill non-turret pilots which had under costed abilities with fewer drawbacks. The mid-range pilots in this game need some love.

"Filler" is a bit too catch all to be worth anything as a classification

are we talking Heaver's crappy little bandit or Nathan's game winning blocking Prototype?

is the crackswarm in the top 16 considered filler? That's some deadly ******* filler (like thanksgiving stuffing way past the expiration date )

even "turret platform" is kind of nonsense, because we're outright ignoring tacticians on the 3 K-wing list and the immaculate r3-a2, god of stress, on an arc-locked BTL-a4