SOTG October 2009

By FFGSteve, in UFS General Discussion

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NoobFighterFTW said:

I'm just hoping they bring something out to deal with speed pumps. I know it's been said a million times, but that's the only thing I really see being a problem right now. PoTM is bad enough, but damage alone does not win this game. it's the speed pumps behind it that make it good. Look at Ivy, one Cross Madness get's through and all of her ping damage becomes auto hits with the speed boost. Then throw a PoTM on a Gnome and GG. I'm also hoping they do something with the symbol spread. Water is my favorite symbol to play, but it has nothing right now. Unfortunately I don't think it will get any better any time soon. Viewing past sets they seem to focus one one or two symbols in one set, then one or two others in the other set (This was when we were getting two sets per release). SCIV and Shadowar gave us FIRE and LIFE, I guess you could throw DEATH in there too. Then Tekken focused on VOID and DEATH, and ALL if you really consider Christie support useful right now. But she does have water and that's what worries me. Seeing that makes me think that water will see little to no support in SCIV2, Same with GOOD and ORDER.

And EARTH, AND CHAOS. Evil, Water, Order, and Good are the only symbols that are lacking significant diversification from the others. This isn't bad granted there are only 3 legal sets.

I KNOW good and order will get support in SCIV2, Amy will have good, Yoshi will probably have order, not sure what Taki will have... Yoshi will probably have Evil too (just my guesses here).

- dut

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dutpotd said:

And EARTH, AND CHAOS. Evil, Water, Order, and Good are the only symbols that are lacking significant diversification from the others. This isn't bad granted there are only 3 legal sets.

Good has significant diversification from the other symbols. It just has no direction.

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NoobFighterFTW said:

I'm just hoping they bring something out to deal with speed pumps. I know it's been said a million times, but that's the only thing I really see being a problem right now. PoTM is bad enough, but damage alone does not win this game. it's the speed pumps behind it that make it good. Look at Ivy, one Cross Madness get's through and all of her ping damage becomes auto hits with the speed boost. Then throw a PoTM on a Gnome and GG. I'm also hoping they do something with the symbol spread. Water is my favorite symbol to play, but it has nothing right now. Unfortunately I don't think it will get any better any time soon. Viewing past sets they seem to focus one one or two symbols in one set, then one or two others in the other set (This was when we were getting two sets per release). SCIV and Shadowar gave us FIRE and LIFE, I guess you could throw DEATH in there too. Then Tekken focused on VOID and DEATH, and ALL if you really consider Christie support useful right now. But she does have water and that's what worries me. Seeing that makes me think that water will see little to no support in SCIV2, Same with GOOD and ORDER.

But there's Paid to Protect!

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B-Rad said:

NoobFighterFTW said:

I'm just hoping they bring something out to deal with speed pumps. I know it's been said a million times, but that's the only thing I really see being a problem right now. PoTM is bad enough, but damage alone does not win this game. it's the speed pumps behind it that make it good. Look at Ivy, one Cross Madness get's through and all of her ping damage becomes auto hits with the speed boost. Then throw a PoTM on a Gnome and GG. I'm also hoping they do something with the symbol spread. Water is my favorite symbol to play, but it has nothing right now. Unfortunately I don't think it will get any better any time soon. Viewing past sets they seem to focus one one or two symbols in one set, then one or two others in the other set (This was when we were getting two sets per release). SCIV and Shadowar gave us FIRE and LIFE, I guess you could throw DEATH in there too. Then Tekken focused on VOID and DEATH, and ALL if you really consider Christie support useful right now. But she does have water and that's what worries me. Seeing that makes me think that water will see little to no support in SCIV2, Same with GOOD and ORDER.

But there's Paid to Protect!

You mean a practically impossible to get pre-release promo that was barely seen in some markets? Naaaaah, couldn't be.

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Sol Badguy said:

Mitsurugi, Taki, Xianghua, Amy, and Yoshimitsu are going to be our five new characters! I was suprised and sad that there is no Maxi. At least we have Promo Kilik :)

...*cracks*...no...VOLDO?!

Anyways...

Mitsurugi - All/Fire/Life
Taki - Air/All/Chaos
Xianghua - Air/Life/Water
Amy - Air/Fire/Good
Yoshimitsu - Fire/Order/Void

Symbol predictions.

Looking forward to some new chars. As much as I hate Taki in SC, I love her in UFS <3

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MarcoPulleaux said:

Sol Badguy said:

Mitsurugi, Taki, Xianghua, Amy, and Yoshimitsu are going to be our five new characters! I was suprised and sad that there is no Maxi. At least we have Promo Kilik :)

...*cracks*...no...VOLDO?!

Anyways...

Mitsurugi - All/Fire/Life
Taki - Air/All/Chaos
Xianghua - Air/Life/Water
Amy - Air/Fire/Good
Yoshimitsu - Fire/Order/Void

Symbol predictions.

Looking forward to some new chars. As much as I hate Taki in SC, I love her in UFS <3

If this happens there is no reason anymore not to play Fire.

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Homme Chapeau said:

MarcoPulleaux said:

Sol Badguy said:

Mitsurugi, Taki, Xianghua, Amy, and Yoshimitsu are going to be our five new characters! I was suprised and sad that there is no Maxi. At least we have Promo Kilik :)

...*cracks*...no...VOLDO?!

Anyways...

Mitsurugi - All/Fire/Life
Taki - Air/All/Chaos
Xianghua - Air/Life/Water
Amy - Air/Fire/Good
Yoshimitsu - Fire/Order/Void

Symbol predictions.

Looking forward to some new chars. As much as I hate Taki in SC, I love her in UFS <3

If this happens there is no reason anymore not to play Fire.

There was a reason not to to begin with?

Ad yeah Hatman that card. But of course FFG would not release a so horribly needed to compete card that's impossible to get would they?!

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B-Rad said:

There was a reason not to to begin with?

King doesn't have Fire. Neither does Ivy (unless you count her ta-tas which set horny nerdz on fire by spontaneous combustion BUT THAT IS NONE OF MY CONCERN)

Or exploring the game (Working on Zhao Daiyu at the moment... if it works it will be funny, and I know Target X built a fast as hell Nightmare that might as well be called Kazuya by the way you have NO board.) moar.

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Homme Chapeau said:

dutpotd said:

And EARTH, AND CHAOS. Evil, Water, Order, and Good are the only symbols that are lacking significant diversification from the others. This isn't bad granted there are only 3 legal sets.

Good has significant diversification from the other symbols. It just has no direction.

no... good + fire, good + fire, good + earth, good + earth- the four 'good' characters - Hilde, Temujin, Sig, and King (sorry Lu Chen's support is lame except for in very few characters, note he also has life which one other good character card also has). Everything good has either fire or earth also has - nix Cursed. Cursed alone is not 'significant' diversification.

If you disagree you haven't tried to build a good character and realized that the other symbol on that good character is 'that' much better.

- dut

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FFGSteve said:

Welcome to the state of the game for October 2009. A somewhat quiet month but there are a few things to cover, so lets get started.

First up the pre release for set 14 will be held on the weekend of November 20, 21, 22. Find full details here: http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=861
make sure your store does not miss out.
Next up is store championships, the deadline to sign up is October 23rd. Make sure your store signs up before it is to late. Details can be found here:
To help people who are coming back to the game catch up, we have a new Fight life kit available next week from our web store. It includes one display of Soulcalibur boosters, one display of ShadoWar boosters, two copies of The Devil Within promo card, two copies of Heir to the Storm promo card, two copies of power of the Edge, and two copies of Clash of the Ages promo card. All for only $49.95 plus shipping, retailers who wish to order please contact Rick Nauertz at: [email protected]
I know there are problems with the tournament software, we are working to have a new version ready by early next year.
No bans or errata this month.
That’s about it for this month, short and sweet. James will start previews. Oh yea my Mitsurugi deck is still wreaking house!
See you in the arena,
Steve

Why only 4 copies of 4 different cards for the prerelease, especially when the foundation promos are pretty much required in playsets (bloodline rebellion should have been the prerelease promo and paid to protect should have been the boxtopper)

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MarcoPulleaux said:


Amy - Air/Fire/Good

Symbol predictions.

I'd rather her share more symbols with Raphael, so instead of Fire, I'd prefer Life (considering only the last Raphael).

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No way does Yoshi have Fire, I would kill a man. Soooo not in character. I could see them mirroring Mitsurugi's symbols with Yoshi, actually... your pred already has All-Life vs Void-Death. :D

Is no one else blown out by the fact that there's an offer of 48 packs and 8 promos for $50!!!!! ?

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Wafflecopter said:

No way does Yoshi have Fire, I would kill a man. Soooo not in character. I could see them mirroring Mitsurugi's symbols with Yoshi, actually... your pred already has All-Life vs Void-Death. :D

Is no one else blown out by the fact that there's an offer of 48 packs and 8 promos for $50!!!!! ?

It's not bad, but the sets are nearly 2-3 sets late. While good, it's not that amazing when everyone in our group has already bought box upon box of these cards. Now, if they could guarantee that all the booster boxes were chock full of Knight Breakers and Fury of the Ancients that would be a different story.

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dutpotd said:

no... good + fire, good + fire, good + earth, good + earth- the four 'good' characters - Hilde, Temujin, Sig, and King (sorry Lu Chen's support is lame except for in very few characters, note he also has life which one other good character card also has). Everything good has either fire or earth also has - nix Cursed. Cursed alone is not 'significant' diversification.

So?

I define diversification as "doing something else than". Take all the Good stuff and put it together, there's your diversification. Is building Good a good idea? Hell no. There's no synergy within the symbol (exception Enemies now Friends + Lu Chen and partial blocks).

However, don't tell me King support is the same as Hilde support is the same as Lu Chen support. You know that's a lie. You may not see the diversification, but I do. Diversification doesn't mean a symbol is worth playing, though.

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Homme Chapeau said:

dutpotd said:

no... good + fire, good + fire, good + earth, good + earth- the four 'good' characters - Hilde, Temujin, Sig, and King (sorry Lu Chen's support is lame except for in very few characters, note he also has life which one other good character card also has). Everything good has either fire or earth also has - nix Cursed. Cursed alone is not 'significant' diversification.

So?

I define diversification as "doing something else than". Take all the Good stuff and put it together, there's your diversification. Is building Good a good idea? Hell no. There's no synergy within the symbol (exception Enemies now Friends + Lu Chen and partial blocks).

However, don't tell me King support is the same as Hilde support is the same as Lu Chen support. You know that's a lie. You may not see the diversification, but I do. Diversification doesn't mean a symbol is worth playing, though.

Yea he knows that king support isn't the same as Hilde or Lu Chen support, BUT he is a compulsive lier.

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kiit said:

Yea he knows that king support isn't the same as Hilde or Lu Chen support, BUT he is a compulsive lier.

What I know is my own business!

But, for what it's worth, I love you too Evans ^^

- dut

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dutpotd said:

kiit said:

Yea he knows that king support isn't the same as Hilde or Lu Chen support, BUT he is a compulsive lier.

What I know is my own business!

But, for what it's worth, I love you too Evans ^^

- dut

/hug?

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Homme Chapeau said:

/hug?

Not until he showers and recognizes the invention we call deodorant... (= next year maybe)

(apologies for off-tracking the SOTG - my last off-topic post this is)

- dut

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First off, other than in Lu Chen, there's only a handful of cards in his support useful to everyone else. Namely, Robes, Know when to talk... and Chi Disruptor to an extent.

Very few cards in King support can be used better (outside of King) by a Good deck than an Earth deck. That is, except random Konvict Kick inorder to fulfill the combo for Dragon Lifter, and then again Konvict Kick won't work with that.

Very few cards in Hilde support can be used better by a Good deck than a Fire deck (I'm ignoring Order's existence like everyone else when I make this statement). Sure, Good can make use of Glanzende Nova and Frischer Himmel, but in Fire with speed boosts and stuns and the need for card draw, it's pretty much a thousand times more useful in Fire. Even Hilde herself, themed or not, can run Fire better than Good or Order.

Temujin... no one seems to care about his support. Dragon's Flame might require a mid "weapon", and thus not allow for mid throw cheatery into it, but Mark of the Beast and Dragon's Breath (actually kind of fun because the string of attacks would be Dragon-themed lol) are good mid-weapons. I'm sure the next set will release more.

Additionally, nothing prevents Temujin from running both Knight Breaker AND Dragon's Flame, considering that Dragon's Flame will fulfill Knight Breaker and they both share Fire with Midnight Launcher.

Mark of the Beast for 4, Midnight Launcher for 7, Knight Breaker for 12, Temujin F (rearrange card pool to KB, MotB, ML), Dragon's Flame for 22...

The point is, since I lost track of what I was talking about, I think it was that we need different symbol spreads: Order without Fire, Good without Fire, Good without Earth, Water without Life?

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I think Good just needs a kill card. I mean the foundation base is quite good. It's the only symbol that can run both Man Behind the Mask AND Hope for Ones People as well as a lot of very good 1 Diffs(Torn Hero, Hunt For Jin, Cursed Blood, From The Hawk Alertness, and Knows When to Talk). It can easily spam more foundations than any other symbol right now. Thats at least gotta be worth something.

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Sol Badguy said:

I think Good just needs a kill card. I mean the foundation base is quite good. It's the only symbol that can run both Man Behind the Mask AND Hope for Ones People as well as a lot of very good 1 Diffs(Torn Hero, Hunt For Jin, Cursed Blood, From The Hawk Alertness, and Knows When to Talk). It can easily spam more foundations than any other symbol right now. Thats at least gotta be worth something.

I think the kill card for Good is Siegfried himself. Making piddly attacks do 5+ damage is a big threat in my book.

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Wafflecopter said:

No way does Yoshi have Fire, I would kill a man. Soooo not in character.

Sure it is. Well...maybe not for SC Yoshi, but in Tekken Yoshi it sure as Hell is. In Tekken, Yoshi's Hell-bent on revenge, and is at least relatively fast. In SC, his stage is Mount Fuji - LAVA Bed.

But I'm still waiting for my Chaos Yoshimitsu =/

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contact Rick Nauertz at: [email protected]

darklogos said:

How do we get setup with b2b. I've been trying to find out but I found no links. My store owner is a bit out of the loop on things. So the b2b stuff makes it harder on me as the scout. Is there anyway for me to get around this. There are a lot of good cards being offered I would like to get to my players but man it seems I'm locked out of this.

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FFGSteve said:

contact Rick Nauertz at: [email protected]

darklogos said:

How do we get setup with b2b. I've been trying to find out but I found no links. My store owner is a bit out of the loop on things. So the b2b stuff makes it harder on me as the scout. Is there anyway for me to get around this. There are a lot of good cards being offered I would like to get to my players but man it seems I'm locked out of this.

Is this worldwide?

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Homme Chapeau said:

FFGSteve said:

contact Rick Nauertz at: [email protected]

darklogos said:

How do we get setup with b2b. I've been trying to find out but I found no links. My store owner is a bit out of the loop on things. So the b2b stuff makes it harder on me as the scout. Is there anyway for me to get around this. There are a lot of good cards being offered I would like to get to my players but man it seems I'm locked out of this.

Is this worldwide?

I would assume so, since this is who my Retailer deals with.