For, going on 40ish years now.

Yet it has been going on for 40 years now. That alone should tell you something. Unless you happen to think that Cartoon Network is making shows with the intention of them losing money...

or in other words... Not everyone likes the same things as you do. Not sure what's hard to understand about that.

Oh, and one other thing...

If you want to actually create a dialogue/debate on the merits of Rebels? That would be entirely welcome.

You fans of the show could list reasons for why the Rebels series is actually of high-quality. But, instead, I just see post after post of "Prequels suxxor!!! OT roxxor!!!," "I watched a few episodes of Clone Wars, they were terrible ... so now I LOVE Rebels!!!," "the Rebels characters are awesome!!!." But there's literally nothing of substance in any of these posts. And any debate basically boils down to "You're a troll!!!" or "You're a hater!!!" It's truly ridiculous.

At best, I hear excuses as to why the characters are just ciphers, why the crew barely left one planet in the entire first season, why there are so many lightsaber/Force-wielding players running around between Episodes III and the original film, why there are so many gimmicky weapons and vehicles, and why there's so much slapstick. But really, it all just comes down to "that's how the OT was!!!" (which is never true) or "it's just the first season!!! Recall that Clone Wars was bad first season!!!" (um, no, it wasn't; it was actually pretty spectacular right off the bat).

Look, I spent way too much time throughout the '90s on comicbook forums. And while the arguments/debates could get pretty heated at times, comic readers do tend to back up what they say with facts and reasoned opinions...

...or they just freely admit "hey, it's a guilty pleasure ... what can I say?"

...or they just freely admit "hey, I've been into [insert X-Men, Star Wars, Avengers, etc. here] for so long, I'm not going to quit now."

I don't ever recall this much name-calling and bullying.

For, going on 40ish years now.

Yet it has been going on for 40 years now. That alone should tell you something. Unless you happen to think that Cartoon Network is making shows with the intention of them losing money...

or in other words... Not everyone likes the same things as you do. Not sure what's hard to understand about that.

I don't know, they way they handle some of their shows, you have to wonder...

It isn't hard for me to understand why I love Rebels. i get the same feeling watching it as I do when I watch the OT. It is very much in the spirit of adventure of Star Wars. Which Clone Wars, in it's "darkness", failed to do a lot of times.

And yes, imo, it takes a bit to get good. But, a lot of shows are like that. My favorite sci-fi show, Farscape, had some very rough episodes in its first season. I think Avatar is also a good comparison.

Honestly, I've not seen much in the way of bullying and name calling in this thread. But Sure.

Rebels has a lot of potential, there is a lot of room for character expansion and it looks like the production crew are not afraid to throw a lot of EU and past Star Wars content at it.

For a kids show it's dark enough to represent a repressed galaxy, yet playful enough to be a kids show.

TCW was awesome for the most part, Rebels remains so.

Both series did have issues: For example baddie named characters that were ridiculously named (General Loathsome?? really?) (At least Agent Kallus pretends...) Truly incompetent Battle Droids and Storm troopers deserve mention. (battledroids were never good, but give the stormies a break).

Most people here seem to love TCW. Anyway you know what, enjoy the rant for what it was. I like both. My kids like both. S'all good.

Honestly, I've not seen much in the way of bullying and name calling in this thread. But Sure.

Guess I'm just lumping boards together. Believe me, I've been a huge victim over at the EotE board. Honestly, that hive-mind (regarding Rebels) is downright VICIOUS.

That said, the original post from the TC was still incredibly insulting and bullying...

Oh, and one other thing...

If you want to actually create a dialogue/debate on the merits of Rebels? That would be entirely welcome.

All manner of conversation here: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/127140-star-wars-rebels-discussion-thread/ - it was created in November of 2014 and has 38 pages of comments

Yeah, I'm aware of that thread. You'll find some of my more detailed posts there.

But it still boils down to the same crap.

Only difference? The topic creator presented a forum for discussion in a civil manner. (Which IS welcome.)

Eh I dunno, I can kind of see your point but the way I took it was the OP being frustrated at the anti-rebels sentiment.

I like Rebels, because it brought back the flair of the original trilogy to me. Also it has a certain Firefly-Flavour, which fills the hole in my heart the Fox ripped a long time ago.

I dislike the Clone Wars, not because the stories or the characterization of the main players were bad. Actually Anakin was for once bearable and his slow descend into darkness finally comprehensible; there was a relationship between him and Obi-Wan, who also had something like a life (or at least hidden feelings) and some of the Clone Trooper Arcs were pretty good war/conspiration stories - and CAD BANE!

But then again, there was a bumbling and incompetent General Grievous, a plain evil Dooku (who was anything BUT charismatic) and an utterly mad Palpatine (who was a very weak rip-off of Francis Urquhart).

Overall, while several arcs and characters were good by themselves, the series suffered too much from its background material and seemed to follow just one purpose: to patch up the ass-pull Lucas had done on the franchise with the Prequels and forced re-edits of his OT:Special Editions.

And this is something I felt is not only my opinion, but also the ones of the creative team around Filoni themselves, which you can note by their responses' subtexts in their interviews.

The Clone Wars was a "Sorry for the Mess!" to the Star Wars Fans. "Rebels" on the other hand is a "Let's finally have fun with Nostalgia"-kinda project, I can much better relate to due to the reasons mentioned above.

Some of my favorites of the '80s included G.I.Joe, Transformers (but not Season 3/4), Robotech, Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers, DuckTales, Defenders of the Earth, Dungeons & Dragons, and Pole Position. Sheesh, there were so many fantastic adventure shows back then.

As for this thread? I view its entire existence as shameful. I mean, what arrogant, bullying behavior: "Either like this show or shut up and go away!!! And if you have any critical views, it's just 'cause you're a hater!!!" *shaking head*

I still have Rebels on my DVR (because, hey, it's Star Wars) and have seen every episode ... and guess what? I think it's abysmal; Rebels is nowhere near the quality of Clone Wars.

But I'm not going to reiterate everything here. If you want to know my detailed thoughts on Rebels (and I have plenty of 'em!), you can easily find them with a search.

There was also Star Com: U.S. Spaceforce. Characters were so-so, but the setting and animation was quite nice. It's a shame it had such a short run; I heard it was cut short, because it was not "American" enough and too brainy - which is quite an interesting opinion the production company had on their target audience, if you ask me...

STAR COM! All the magnetized toys, man I was proper into them when i was.. what. 4, 5?

The Real Ghostbusters (before the Slimer spin-off) - J. Michael Strazynski was a writer for many of the best episodes there.

I also re-discovered Danger Mouse thanks to Netflix - that was a favorite

M.A.S.K. had some cool toys (there is another thread somewhere around that brought that back to mind a while back)

M.A.S.K. had many toys, also between ages 4-6.

JMS was notably a writer for captain power, which was interesting.

M.A.S.K. had many toys, also between ages 4-6.

JMS was notably a writer for captain power, which was interesting.

Not only that: Captain Power had a continuous story-line, character-development, main character death and the heroes lost their war at the end of the season.

In the 80s!

Yep:-) Not bad for a toy marketing kids show.

How the hell does that series keep getting made?!

Because kids love it. My kids all loved the various versions of it that came out. So did I when I was a kid for that matter.

The only Scooby Doo that I watched which I hated was a pup named Scooby Doo where the whole point seemed to be to ramp the absurdity up to level 9,999,999.

I didn't see the live action movies and didn't really like the various series where Scooby and Shaggy somehow got separated from the rest of the original main cast then wandered around running into more criminals pretending to be ghosts or monsters and the occasional real monster but didn't hate them.

How the hell does that series keep getting made?!

Because kids love it. My kids all loved the various versions of it that came out. So did I when I was a kid for that matter.

I didn't see the live action movies and didn't really like the various series where Scooby and Shaggy somehow got separated from the rest of the original main cast then wandered around running into more criminals pretending to be ghosts or monsters and the occasional real monster but didn't hate them.

So...what is this magical Scooby-Doo that you watched? - 'cause that is every episode ever.

Yeah, I'm aware of that thread. You'll find some of my more detailed posts there.

But it still boils down to the same crap.

Only difference? The topic creator presented a forum for discussion in a civil manner. (Which IS welcome.)

Hear hear!

Really guys we do have a nice, shiny topic for it.

Only decent thing about Scooby-Doo is the theme song to What's New Scooby-Doo.

Yet it has been going on for 40 years now. That alone should tell you something.

Given that none of the reboots of the show that have happened during my lifetime have lasted more than 2 seasons, it tells me that it's not actually been that profitable(otherwise, they'd keep making it continuously) and instead, it's a show with a huge amount of brand recognition that they are desperate to try and make into a hit. So they keep trying over and over again.

It also tells me that kids are stupid and will watch garbage.

Bit close to the line, some of us have kids.

One observation I have is that kids will re-watch a show they have already seen, indeed they often do and often find it hard to break out of routine.

Scooby doo has a formulaic episode theme. Also it should be added that they've mixed it up a little bit, there is one scoobie series on netflix which is actually pretty good. - as a bonus it has a cameo of the puzzle box from hellraiser.

It's evolved from the late 60s. That it's formulaic only helps with it's core audience - that being not you.

It's evolved from the late 60s. That it's formulaic only helps with it's core audience - that being not you.

And yet, I hated Scooby-Doo even when I WAS the show's core audience.

My understanding is that the "mystery incorporated" scooby doo show was actually quite good. Poking fun at the old school formulaic show while actually introducing things like character development and relationships, with the kids constantly annoying the rest of the town by uncovering all the fake supernatural hi jinks because the town has a reputation for being haunted and all the townsfolk make a living off the tourists, so the kids debunking one haunting after another is seen as hurting the livelihood of the town.

I also think there was an overarching story with an actual supernatural threat that they eventually uncover.

Hmm, maybe I should look into that one.

You probably only saw the first few episodes right?

They were goofy, lots of child friendly stuff, some really bad graphics choices on those wookies right?

Well... SPOILERS

Ezra get's rid of his stupid catapult, and goes on his own Jedi trial.

I just finished up series 1 and OMG! Honestly I implore anyone that gave up on it to at least pick up the last 3 episodes of the series because if you don't think that is "proper Star Wars" then you have lost your way my friends.

EDIT:

Can I just say if you have watched it and still don't like it then fine, but don't post your hate on here let's let people decide for themselves. I'm just trying to say that I was right there with you at the start but i got more and more in to it and the end of season 1 was amazing. I haven't watched the start of season 2 yet either.

Your post intrigues me, especially the parts I highlighted. Your almost pulling a "Chuck Wendig," outlining who is and isn't up to date with SW lore, and or its meanings, and or detecting what is spiritual true to SW material.

We have the right tell people why we don't like SW:Rebels.

The biggest problem with Rebs is that they made Darth Vader incompetent. He came at the hero characters like he was Jason or the T-800 prototype from the fourth Terminator. They had him toy with his enemies. They had him let Jedi escape, it wasn't essential for them to escape, he could have let the other Rebs go but the Jedi are to dangerous to let go. They are the Proto Rebs ultimate fighting force and a rallying symbol for people that are wanting to Rebel from the Empire. He later is taken out by his own cap ships, he chose to intercept a craft from an angle that would put him in the firing zone of his SDs He has the force to help him feel when to movie away from dangerous areas and or attacks and such, yet this event didn't even trigger his ability.

Now in addition to all the above it appears he may be showing up more in the show. So he is going to get pawned even more than he did before probably. You should never EVER use a serious villain/ evil force, the way Vader is being used in this show. I will be even more *** if they start throwing in Storm Commandos, NAVY Commandos, Dark Troopers, and other special forces and have them pawned in the way Vader and the other IMPs have been in this show.

The Troopers I mentioned above have been kept as a credible threat because their lore comes from source books and they are rarely used in actual stories. The Borg used to be a credible threat in ST, then the writers made a show were the Borg were the main antagonists. After that so many weakness were introduced to the Borg that they shouldn't be a threat too the Feds. If they keep throwing in Vader and Imp Special forces and treating them like the Borg were in ST they will be a laughable joke, threat wise, in the SW lore and in any vs battle they get in with things from other fictional universes.

JFYI Voyager showed that the Borg biggest weakness is its collective communication system. It can be easily blocked with ECM and celestial phenomena like gas clouds. If a Cube loses its signal for just a seconded it will cause explosions within the ship, lots of Borg drones die and if they don't they need major medical attention or they will die.

I am only writing this because I am sure someone will question what said weakness is and try and say the borg don't have any conventional weaknesses.

Bit close to the line, some of us have kids.

One observation I have is that kids will re-watch a show they have already seen, indeed they often do and often find it hard to break out of routine.

Scooby doo has a formulaic episode theme. Also it should be added that they've mixed it up a little bit, there is one scoobie series on netflix which is actually pretty good. - as a bonus it has a cameo of the puzzle box from hellraiser.

It's evolved from the late 60s. That it's formulaic only helps with it's core audience - that being not you.

All kids are morons I was a moron at 5 I was a moron at 15 heck I was a moron at 25, it's okay part of growing up is becoming less stupid as time passes.

I'm sure we all thought ourselves super grown up as teenagers but cringe now at the stupid crap we pulled.

But let's be honest I liked gi Joe as a kid, I went back and watched it last year couldn't make it past the first few episodes and had to ask why I liked it, answer I was an easily amused simpleton like every other kid.

Kids like crap because they don't have the accumulated wisdom needed to know good from bad, that's not a bad thing it just means they have a low bar for what entertains them.

As long as they are happy, healthy and well fed your doing good as a parent.

Oh good, BKL is here to devolve this thread into explaining how the exact same decisions Vader makes in the OT are somehow incompetent in Rebels in a whole new thread.