One thing that Rebels did that I liked was it brought Vader back just a little from the Twilight tinged emo child that EU and RotS had turned him into. It's one thing conflicted about your emotions of corrupting the child you had with the wife you thought you killed, but when the EU literally had Vader literally kill Darth Maul through the power of self-loathing, you have something less than a Sith Lord and more somebody who sits crying in his meditation chamber (oh wait somebody made a picture of that).

Rebels at least brings back a sense of that power of the Dark Side that the Emperor gloated about. The anger that had him gloating that his former master was too weak to pose a threat to him before trying to slice him in half without a second thought. No time spent afterward remembering all the good times that Obi Wan and he had together, just getting ready to fly out to shoot a few X-Wings.

On the downside, Rebels seemed to have really downplayed the significance of Star Destroyers. The SD was the first image you saw of the Empire's might as it dwarfed the Tantive V over Tatooine (spoilers?). In Rebels, I don't think I've ever seen one fire a shot even when a cruiser that they know is carrying rebels and a Jedi is trying to escape from it. They just hang out in the atmosphere of Lothal with spotlights shining down as if they're mile long police helicopters. And if a handful of malcontents manage to make it inside, just write off the whole ship and crew.

Lieutenant: Sir, a transport matching the description of the one that blasted out of Lothal has just entered the system and is heading straight towards us.

Captain: They're moving to attack position. Shields up! They can't repel firepower of this magnitude!

Lieutenant: They actually just docked in the main hanger bay. Stormtroopers report 5 rebels and a droid disembarking.

Captain: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUU!

Rebels is low budget because why? Disney owns this show. That makes no sense.

I'm sure the show is not actually low budget. But it LOOKS low budget because the art style is much less detailed that Clone Wars'.

We can safely say it is lower budget than Clone Wars because Lucas isn't throwing money at it. What its production budget is and what that looks like compared to other shows, I don't know.

Again those same ewoks defeated the main chars

Um.... No they didn't. The ewoks accidentally caught the main characters in a net, which too the main characters 30 seconds to escape from, and then the main characters decided to surrender because Luke told them to.

Rebels is low budget because why? Disney owns this show. That makes no sense.

I'm sure the show is not actually low budget. But it LOOKS low budget because the art style is much less detailed that Clone Wars'.

We can safely say it is lower budget than Clone Wars because Lucas isn't throwing money at it. What its production budget is and what that looks like compared to other shows, I don't know.

Filoni has admitted that it has a lower budget than Clone Wars. As for compared to other shows, I would say given how few episodes were ordered compared to other shows for a season is telling.

I just watched the first season and the season premier for season 2 and I liked it a lot more than I thought I would.

Again those same ewoks defeated the main chars

Um.... No they didn't. The ewoks accidentally caught the main characters in a net, which too the main characters 30 seconds to escape from, and then the main characters decided to surrender because Luke told them to.

Yeah totally weren't going to get roasted and eaten...at least the empire put up a fight rebel scum just gave up.

The rebels had the Joker on the team. Being caught and tight up to be roasted "Was all part of the plaaan!".

But two people alone can't control a planet the troops didn't need to be super elite, just competent that's all.

One of the things we see in Rebels is Stormtroopers acting in the role of police officers. We know they're evil, because they do random stop and frisks, as well as racial profiling.

Cops- even when they have the equipment of soldiers- are terrible soldiers.

I'd argue the opposite is true, causing equal harm.

Soldiers are terrible cops.

I've said time and time again that Stormtroopers, when on the offensive actually have an amazing track record.

Put them on Garrison duty and They suck.

On the matter of Ewoks: Melee weapons such as spears are actually VERY good vs stormtrooper armour, as they can be levered to effectively stab. Rocks would just disorientate I would think, but for finishing off up close, sure.

Stormtroopers would have been served better with fully automatic slugthrowers and/or flamethrowers. Ewoks being smaller (but probably stronger) and naturally coloured to blend in with the forest (as opposed to wearing a certain shade of whatweretheythinking white).

The Ewoks were a native force that neither side even considered. Rebels probably didn't know they existed, Imperials were so certain they were undefeatable the most they did was use them for target practice.

Only arrogance stopped them from levelling 10 square miles of forest around the bunker. In fact, did it? we don't know how fast the forests of Endor Grow - all that extra free cover can't hurt the diminutive Ewoks.

You probably only saw the first few episodes right?

They were goofy, lots of child friendly stuff, some really bad graphics choices on those wookies right?

Well... SPOILERS

Ezra get's rid of his stupid catapult, and goes on his own Jedi trial.

I just finished up series 1 and OMG! Honestly I implore anyone that gave up on it to at least pick up the last 3 episodes of the series because if you don't think that is "proper Star Wars" then you have lost your way my friends.

Ordering the DVD today!

You have convinced me.

I love this show. It is great. My daughter is super looking forward to flying her Ghost around. I don't understand why anyone would hate a cartoon.

I love the one episode of Harvey Birdman with the scooby gang. .. and what happens to scrappy in that.

Jar Jar is probably the most hatable cartoon character ever.

I can handle the cartoonish ineptitude (because, you know, it's a cartoon), but KO'ing a guy with one punch when he is wearing what has to at least be as good as a modern day motorcycle helmet pushes it too far for me.

Any football player will tell you that's the _most_ realistic part of the armor. It's just the way the human scull works- your brain is encased in a thin layer of liquid, which is inside a bone casing. Suddenly going from moving fast to not moving at (or vice versa) all will cause the brain to slosh around in that liquid and hit the bone. Brain-on-skull impact is going to cause damage basically no matter what.

Think about it this way: boxing gloves caused brain injury to go _up_.The gloves are there to protect the hands from injury on sharp angles of faces (like noses and various bones and such). As a result, boxers can punch harder without damaging their fists. And since they're punching harder, the brain is moving more violently and therefore having more impact on the inside of the skull.

The only real way to prevent this is to create an armor or helmet of some sort which angles momentum away from the skull, and towards other parts of the body. In the case of a football player, for instance, some of the inertia could be redirected to the shoulders and torso. That might cause other problems (hello, broken shoulders!) but would at least keep the brain from being permanently damaged.

Stormtroopers don't seem to have this sort of shaping to their armor. Therefor if a strong enough person knocks the helmets of two of them together hard enough, those two people will be at least dazed if not actually unconscious. It's just basic biology and physics.

There's also a big difference between helmets designed to protect against crashes and those designed to protect against concussive forces (literally the pressure wave) of a blast. Optimising for one comes at the expense of the other. Concussion protection requires hard padding, crash protection requires fairly soft padding. Given the role of battlefield armour, it's quite likely that whacking a stormtrooper on the head will achieve the same result, advanced "smart" materials notwithstanding.

Sure, fine, we know real physics and biology go straight out the window in science fiction, which can be okay for creative freedom. In the Rebels episode Fighter Flight a stormtrooper is literally doubled over and falls down by having a meiloorun fruit thrown into his abdomen by Ezra.

Hey man, that's a sci-fi fruit. Who knows how heavy or hard it is.

Not sure if you get this particular variety of squash where you live, but this is butternut. You can literally bludgeon someone to death with it.

Stormtrooper vulnerability to old timy weapons is not different from Jedi vulnerability to old timy weapons. (fairly sure a shotgun blast or two will work wonders) (let alone flamethrowers).

Can you believe there's another Scooby Doo cartoon coming out?

How the hell does that series keep getting made?!

How the hell does that series keep getting made?!

Because kids love it. My kids all loved the various versions of it that came out. So did I when I was a kid for that matter.

I was never a fan, even as a kid. And every episode of that show is EXACTLY the same. For, going on 40ish years now. Cartoon Network reboots the thing like every 5 years. And I just don't get it.

I always hated scooby and shaggy as a child.

I always hated scooby and shaggy as a child.

Me too. They were always increasingly ridiculous with each episode.

It's NEVER a real monster! It's ALWAYS a guy in a mask! Why are you still freaking out every **** time!? You should KNOW that ghost isn't a ghost by now! COMEON!!

Which is why i didn't realize the whole world hated Scrappy until I was an adult. Because to me, he always seemed to have the right idea. He just gets after them. And then one of the other characters would always stop him and drag him off. As if they were saving him from being eaten by some monster. When all they were really doing was stopping him from beating up some greedy old landowner or something.

Yeah it's the same story every episode go to haunted place x, get chased by y and at end reveal villain is z.

You can Slag off old 80's shows for being nothing but toy adverts but transformers went all over the world and had different stories, jayce and the wheeled warriors explored world's.

Also had a rockin' soundtrack.

There's a power that comes from deep inside of you.....

Yeah it's the same story every episode go to haunted place x, get chased by y and at end reveal villain is z.

You can Slag off old 80's shows for being nothing but toy adverts but transformers went all over the world and had different stories, jayce and the wheeled warriors explored world's.

Don't know, Brave-Star, for example, was pretty gritty all right and had something like a story and interesting multi-layered characters (Tex Hex was pretty well written for that time), and even (cut away) character deaths. But then again, it wasn't originally intended to sell toys.

And then there was Galaxy Rangers - but that's late 80's to very early 90's...!

Aww yeah galaxy rangers was awesome but hardly anyone seems to have watched, Clint Eastwood with wolverine healing power was bad ass.

Even though they were the cartoons of my childhood, I don't remember anything from the early 80s very well besides Transformers and G.I. Joe.

I think maybe because those were the only two that were on for an extended period of time.

Some of my favorites of the '80s included G.I.Joe, Transformers (but not Season 3/4), Robotech, Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers, DuckTales, Defenders of the Earth, Dungeons & Dragons, and Pole Position. Sheesh, there were so many fantastic adventure shows back then.

As for this thread? I view its entire existence as shameful. I mean, what arrogant, bullying behavior: "Either like this show or shut up and go away!!! And if you have any critical views, it's just 'cause you're a hater!!!" *shaking head*

I still have Rebels on my DVR (because, hey, it's Star Wars) and have seen every episode ... and guess what? I think it's abysmal; Rebels is nowhere near the quality of Clone Wars.

But I'm not going to reiterate everything here. If you want to know my detailed thoughts on Rebels (and I have plenty of 'em!), you can easily find them with a search.