Yep, that is a pretty funny blooper. I can sympathize with that trooper because as a tall person it sucks to hit your head on things. The stormtroopers in the OT are all over the place. They storm the Tantive IV like a boss, then one smacks his head on a door, they overrun the rebels on Hoth, then get demolished at Endor by carebears. Stack exchange has a few threads about the stormtrooper elite/inept discrepancy. I guess it is just a tired movie making principle, make bad guys crappy to accentuate how OmiGoshAwesome! the good guys are.

The whole smack his head on the door thing was probably an oversight, because the guys under those helmets really couldn't see well. The Storm Troopers being so "incompetent" at the Death Star in general is just Vaders old tracking device trick (Really, that already worked in Rebels, do these guys never learn? Doesn't Leia talk to her father?). Endor is weird, but at least there is a sweet space battle to distract us from the nonsense.

I just started watching the first season, and while I am entertained and it is a decent show I can't say that it is a great show. Im tired of seeing generic stormtroopers portrayed as a potato on the screen, it literally makes me feel like the Empire is a joke, not a real threat. They literally stand in the open as a group and shoot at the rebels, they can't hit crap and they show no maneuvering. What would it take for a squad of stormtroopers to lay down suppressive fire while another squad maneuvers to flank the enemy?!? The stormtroopers were supposed to be an intimidating military force, not some idiot given a gun and armor.

Figure 1: Star Wars Rebels Stormtrooper

Uh, honest question: Have you watched the movies recently?

Outside the opening scene of A New Hope, Stormtroopers have always been laughably incompetent klutzes who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

All the dead rebels on hoth want a word with you.

Yeah, Darth Vader reflects a laser bolt directly into Sabine's face. It knocks her off her feat.

Moments later, she takes off her helmet and is perfectly fine.

Mandalorian armor.

They don't make visors out of it. With the blast shield down she can't see anything.

Im liking it so far. Sure, the Stormies suck, but as has been mentioned they are all over the

place in terms of efficiency. They overrun Echo base like a well oiled machine, and then an entire legion of the Emperors finest troops are wiped oug by teddy bears with sticks and stones on Endor. I wouldn't be watching it if it weren't Star Wars though. Its not a good enough show to stand on its own merits, as it were.

Im liking it so far. Sure, the Stormies suck, but as has been mentioned they are all over the

place in terms of efficiency. They overrun Echo base like a well oiled machine, and then an entire legion of the Emperors finest troops are wiped oug by teddy bears with sticks and stones on Endor. I wouldn't be watching it if it weren't Star Wars though. Its not a good enough show to stand on its own merits, as it were.

Yeah but how much worse are the rebels that got beaten by those same storm troopers on endor?

The ewoks won because the script said so, but don't forget they beat the rebels worse.

The Storm Troopers being so "incompetent" at the Death Star in general is just Vaders old tracking device trick (Really, that already worked in Rebels, do these guys never learn? Doesn't Leia talk to her father?). .

She knew full well what had happened, she deliberately lead them to Yavin, confident that they could find a weakness to exploit.

The Storm Troopers being so "incompetent" at the Death Star in general is just Vaders old tracking device trick (Really, that already worked in Rebels, do these guys never learn? Doesn't Leia talk to her father?). .

She knew full well what had happened, she deliberately lead them to Yavin, confident that they could find a weakness to exploit.

Yeah and if Luke hadn't been there the rebellion would of died there because the rest of the rebels got smoked, out of dozens three survived.

Empire troops are highly effective against any non hero and a threat on some level to them .

But in rebels they are not a threat to anyone and could never rule a galaxy.

Saying it's a cartoon is no defence, in avatar the fire nation was always something to respect, in transformers the decepticons were a threat and the autobots didn't always win, in batman you know he`ll win but you don't respect the joker any less as a psychopathic lunatic.

Heroes are defined by their villains so rebels comes off looking terrible because the big evil empire is a joke.

I had a theory regarding Stormtrooper accuracy from ANH.

Obi-wan being the most sarcastic Jedi ever when he said "only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise.".

Picture him saying it while holding his fingers doing quotation marks.

In all seriousness though, I agree with Hobo especially that heroes are defined by their villains.

I just started watching the first season, and while I am entertained and it is a decent show I can't say that it is a great show. Im tired of seeing generic stormtroopers portrayed as a potato on the screen, it literally makes me feel like the Empire is a joke, not a real threat. They literally stand in the open as a group and shoot at the rebels, they can't hit crap and they show no maneuvering. What would it take for a squad of stormtroopers to lay down suppressive fire while another squad maneuvers to flank the enemy?!? The stormtroopers were supposed to be an intimidating military force, not some idiot given a gun and armor.

Figure 1: Star Wars Rebels Stormtrooper

Uh, honest question: Have you watched the movies recently?

Outside the opening scene of A New Hope, Stormtroopers have always been laughably incompetent klutzes who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

All the dead rebels on hoth want a word with you.

It was the AT-ATs that did all the work though. The Snowtroopers couldn't even catch the Millennium Falcon.

I had a theory regarding Stormtrooper accuracy from ANH.

Obi-wan being the most sarcastic Jedi ever when he said "only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise.".

Picture him saying it while holding his fingers doing quotation marks.

The best part about that scene is when we finally saw Tusken Raiders actually shoot in the prequels, they were precise enough to snipe Pod Racers from hundreds of meters away.

In all seriousness though, I agree with Hobo especially that heroes are defined by their villains.

The Inquisitor and Kallus make/made good villians, imo.

Yep, that is a pretty funny blooper. I can sympathize with that trooper because as a tall person it sucks to hit your head on things. The stormtroopers in the OT are all over the place. They storm the Tantive IV like a boss, then one smacks his head on a door, they overrun the rebels on Hoth, then get demolished at Endor by carebears. Stack exchange has a few threads about the stormtrooper elite/inept discrepancy. I guess it is just a tired movie making principle, make bad guys crappy to accentuate how OmiGoshAwesome! the good guys are.

The whole smack his head on the door thing was probably an oversight, because the guys under those helmets really couldn't see well. The Storm Troopers being so "incompetent" at the Death Star in general is just Vaders old tracking device trick (Really, that already worked in Rebels, do these guys never learn? Doesn't Leia talk to her father?). Endor is weird, but at least there is a sweet space battle to distract us from the nonsense.

Well Leia knew about the tracking device she just decided for some reason that getting R2 to Alliance HQ fast and compromising the HQ's location was more important then taking the time to find the tracker and stopping somewhere to dump it thus preserving the secret of the base's location.

As for Endor the Ewok's had several advantages over the Empire. Pretty much the only edge the Empire had was more advanced equipment and the AT-STs. Numbers, knowledge of terrain, battlefield prep all of these are areas where the Ewoks were superior to the Imperial forces. And the methods the Ewok's used to defeat the AT-STs were tested and proven scientifically feasible if memory serves. And its not like the Ewoks didn't take losses during the battle.

I think a lot of you are dismissing the Wolverine-like ferocity with which Ewoks fight when counting the Stormtooper's defeat by them against them.

The empire was comically bad in the OT, so it kinda makes sense. Star Wars has always been a light-hearted romp and Rebels fit that quite well.

I had a theory regarding Stormtrooper accuracy from ANH.

Obi-wan being the most sarcastic Jedi ever when he said "only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise.".

Picture him saying it while holding his fingers doing quotation marks.

He had confused them for Clone Troopers, who really were that precise.

As for Endor the Ewok's had several advantages over the Empire. Pretty much the only edge the Empire had was more advanced equipment and the AT-STs. Numbers, knowledge of terrain, battlefield prep all of these are areas where the Ewoks were superior to the Imperial forces. And the methods the Ewok's used to defeat the AT-STs were tested and proven scientifically feasible if memory serves. And its not like the Ewoks didn't take losses during the battle.

I'm not sure we can even count the AT-STs as an advantage at Endor: the sort of broken terrain* and underfoot tangles you'd see in the Redwood forest are _terrible_ for anything with a high center of gravity and 2 legs for amubulation.

I'm honestly surprised it took so long for the Ewoks to drop from the trees that they call home, onto the AT-STs, and to straight murder the Troopers inside.

Which points out another Ewok advantage: they are an arboreal species fighting in a Forrest. The height advantage that gives them nullifies darned near any advantage the Imperials should have had.

The Imperials ought to have cleared the treeline in at least a 1 mile radius from their Endor base. It would have given them a nice, wide sightline, room for the AT-STs to work, and even an area in which TIEs or Lambdas could be used for supporting fire.

Overconfidence was the Emperor's undoing.

*Yeah, I know what AT stands for. I consider that a marketing name like "Fresh Atlantic salmon" when eating near the Pacific ocean.

The Storm Troopers being so "incompetent" at the Death Star in general is just Vaders old tracking device trick (Really, that already worked in Rebels, do these guys never learn? Doesn't Leia talk to her father?). .

She knew full well what had happened, she deliberately lead them to Yavin, confident that they could find a weakness to exploit.

It appears I need to see Star Wars again...

The animation was decent, the voice acting was good, and they had access to a wonderful library of sound files.

But the story and premise didn't gel with me.

Young kid runs away to become a jedi.

Finds a crass alien brute, a charming roguish fellow that takes him under his wing and a stern and capable woman.

Now where have we seen that before..

The animation was decent, the voice acting was good, and they had access to a wonderful library of sound files.

But the story and premise didn't gel with me.

Young kid runs away to become a jedi.

Finds a crass alien brute, a charming roguish fellow that takes him under his wing and a stern and capable woman.

Now where have we seen that before..

Yeah that sounds really awful, who would make that in to a tv series, or even a film, it wouldn't work out.

As for Endor the Ewok's had several advantages over the Empire. Pretty much the only edge the Empire had was more advanced equipment and the AT-STs. Numbers, knowledge of terrain, battlefield prep all of these are areas where the Ewoks were superior to the Imperial forces. And the methods the Ewok's used to defeat the AT-STs were tested and proven scientifically feasible if memory serves. And its not like the Ewoks didn't take losses during the battle.

I'm not sure we can even count the AT-STs as an advantage at Endor: the sort of broken terrain* and underfoot tangles you'd see in the Redwood forest are _terrible_ for anything with a high center of gravity and 2 legs for amubulation.

I'm honestly surprised it took so long for the Ewoks to drop from the trees that they call home, onto the AT-STs, and to straight murder the Troopers inside.

Which points out another Ewok advantage: they are an arboreal species fighting in a Forrest. The height advantage that gives them nullifies darned near any advantage the Imperials should have had.

The Imperials ought to have cleared the treeline in at least a 1 mile radius from their Endor base. It would have given them a nice, wide sightline, room for the AT-STs to work, and even an area in which TIEs or Lambdas could be used for supporting fire.

Overconfidence was the Emperor's undoing.

*Yeah, I know what AT stands for. I consider that a marketing name like "Fresh Atlantic salmon" when eating near the Pacific ocean.

Bingo. The Imperial forces refused to even consider that a species as primitive technologically as the Ewoks could be a threat so they took no precautions against the possibility of the Ewoks being a threat and they paid for that mistake to the fullest.

The animation was decent, the voice acting was good, and they had access to a wonderful library of sound files.

But the story and premise didn't gel with me.

Young kid runs away to become a jedi.

Finds a crass alien brute, a charming roguish fellow that takes him under his wing and a stern and capable woman.

Now where have we seen that before..

Who is the roguish fellow here? Kanan? If so he rarely acts like that in my opinion, he just doesn't show much self esteem. If you mean Chopper, though, I'd agree with you

As for Endor the Ewok's had several advantages over the Empire. Pretty much the only edge the Empire had was more advanced equipment and the AT-STs. Numbers, knowledge of terrain, battlefield prep all of these are areas where the Ewoks were superior to the Imperial forces. And the methods the Ewok's used to defeat the AT-STs were tested and proven scientifically feasible if memory serves. And its not like the Ewoks didn't take losses during the battle.

I'm not sure we can even count the AT-STs as an advantage at Endor: the sort of broken terrain* and underfoot tangles you'd see in the Redwood forest are _terrible_ for anything with a high center of gravity and 2 legs for amubulation.

I'm honestly surprised it took so long for the Ewoks to drop from the trees that they call home, onto the AT-STs, and to straight murder the Troopers inside.

Which points out another Ewok advantage: they are an arboreal species fighting in a Forrest. The height advantage that gives them nullifies darned near any advantage the Imperials should have had.

The Imperials ought to have cleared the treeline in at least a 1 mile radius from their Endor base. It would have given them a nice, wide sightline, room for the AT-STs to work, and even an area in which TIEs or Lambdas could be used for supporting fire.

Overconfidence was the Emperor's undoing.

*Yeah, I know what AT stands for. I consider that a marketing name like "Fresh Atlantic salmon" when eating near the Pacific ocean.

The Stormtroopers' HUDs were probably also configured for rebel scum with all their attendant electronic signature, metal etc. They did not expect armed local wildlife. Armies are always equipped to fight the last war they fought, not the current one. (So blasters that can't aim for crap because the average clanker stands in the open and walks slowly and armour which is only camofluaged in the ultraviolet spectrum).

Fun fact about (Star Wars) lasers too: plasma bolts will explode on contact with anything, including leaves. Whereas an FN FAL can ignore about 50m of vegetation, a standard stormie's blaster shot would dissipate after hitting one or two leaves (also the fact that they can be deflected without dissipation by a lighstabre at all probably requires a lot of skill and even then they will lose lethality - Sabine's hit was a reflected shot from her own low-calibre blaster - Han Solo's DL44 might have punched through).

AT pilots were certainly good enough to callously pick off moving camouflaged targets (Rebel and Ewok) from their own lurching platforms. And don't forget sheer bureaucracy and politics: in the real world we have the F-35 and F-22, and there was a short story about a stormtrooper who test drove an AT-AT and thought that it would be vulnerable to a cable wrapped around its legs and came up with a tactic to avoid ensnarement. He was told to shut up about it and the matter forgotten until Hoth.

(Mostly I ignore all of this and just enjoy the show - it is about lazer swords, magick and democratically elected Queens. Series like Girls und Panzer politely tell you to check disbelief at the door with Manhattan sized aircraft-carrier schools)

In all seriousness though, I agree with Hobo especially that heroes are defined by their villains.

The Inquisitor and Kallus make/made good villians, imo.

Yes they are, and Minister Tua also.

Kallus was a great opening villain, but he's lost some bite. I'm curious on how his character develops.

The inquisitor was a good opening threat, and his actions generally were pretty shocking.

I'd like to see a badass stormtrooper commander and competent stormtroopers, and maybe even TIE Interceptors piloted by decent pilots or some such. Something that feels like an actual threat.

In all seriousness though, I agree with Hobo especially that heroes are defined by their villains.

The Inquisitor and Kallus make/made good villians, imo.

But two people alone can't control a planet the troops didn't need to be super elite, just competent that's all.

Don't they show in the episode where Ezra is in the stormtrooper school, that the pupils with over the average skills are immediately sent to the inquisition for fear that they are Force sensitive?

I remmember seeing that part, and realizing that probably that was the explanation why stormtroopers are so bad: they are literally under the average individuals.

It kind of fits the theme of the Imperial Navy with their shieldless, weak firepower TIE Fighters: mediocre, but dangerous in numbers.