Just curious about rules and/or how your event(s) handle this.
Using 3rd party reference material like the Movement Visualizations, or having a personal note sheet (physical or digital) with movement guides, etc.
For example, if I had my tablet and referenced one of the Movement Visualization guides while planning my maneuver dial.
Lets assume that referencing them does not slow down game play.
Just curious about rules and/or how your event(s) handle this.
Using 3rd party reference material like the Movement Visualizations, or having a personal note sheet (physical or digital) with movement guides, etc.
For example, if I had my tablet and referenced one of the Movement Visualization guides while planning my maneuver dial.
Lets assume that referencing them does not slow down game play.
Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "Movement Visualization". Can you explain?
right now there are no rules preventing you from having notes to aid you. Having a movement reference guide seems to be fairly common for players to have.
There are charts you can print out which have all the ships movements on them
Do you mean something like the depictions made for movement tutorials? Like something to help you visualize how the movement will end?
I frequently bring a sextant with me to tournaments.
I'm pretty sure he means the maneuver reference sheet.
That is completely tournament legal.
I frequently bring a sextant with me to tournaments.
Compass I could see, sextant would be a bit fuzzy?
Actually, is there anything in the rules preventing me from using a compass to ascertain angles and distance? It isn't very sportsmanlike, but if it works it's at least impressive.
I think he's referring to maneuvering aids, similar to what's in this thread:
https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/110115-earning-your-wings-a-guide-for-understanding-movment/
No, I mean a personal sheet of maneuvers (like a flip book to keep my squadron together and help plan each turn's maneuver).
So I may have in my flip book (digital or physical) an image of the 3x3 table and several deployments. Then different pages on what maneuvers would take them where on the table.
By Maneuver Visualizations I am referring to the sites listed in teh 'Index of Useful Links' under Movement Visualizations.
I frequently bring a sextant with me to tournaments.
Compass I could see, sextant would be a bit fuzzy?
Actually, is there anything in the rules preventing me from using a compass to ascertain angles and distance? It isn't very sportsmanlike, but if it works it's at least impressive.
Well, you can only measure things with the range ruler at certain times.
So, no, they don't ban using a compass or a measuring tape specifically.
But I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to understand that you can't measure with something other than the range ruler whenever you want.
Well, you can only measure things with the range ruler at certain times. So, no, they don't ban using a compass or a measuring tape specifically. But I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to understand that you can't measure with something other than the range ruler whenever you want.
Compass I could see, sextant would be a bit fuzzy? Actually, is there anything in the rules preventing me from using a compass to ascertain angles and distance? It isn't very sportsmanlike, but if it works it's at least impressive.I frequently bring a sextant with me to tournaments.
Well right, but during planning? If I just bust out one of these bad boys? Come on, that's at least going to unnerve the opponent.
Well, you can only measure things with the range ruler at certain times. So, no, they don't ban using a compass or a measuring tape specifically. But I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to understand that you can't measure with something other than the range ruler whenever you want.
Compass I could see, sextant would be a bit fuzzy? Actually, is there anything in the rules preventing me from using a compass to ascertain angles and distance? It isn't very sportsmanlike, but if it works it's at least impressive.I frequently bring a sextant with me to tournaments.
Well right, but during planning? If I just bust out one of these bad boys? Come on, that's at least going to unnerve the opponent.
It'll unnerve him, and also be against the rules.
I'm hoping you know this is illegal and are suggesting this for laughs...
Edited by KlutzIt'll unnerve him, and also be against the rules.
I'm hoping you know this is illegal and are suggesting this for laughs...
Oh, you're no fun any more. But yes, not a serious suggestion. I just thought someone peering at their game with a sextant was an amusing idea, and the compass might have helped/actually been useful.
The maneuver grids that are printed on the packaging of every ship (or in the booklets of the large base ships) specifically say that you should keep them with you and show them to your opponent if requested.
I always keep all of those in my bag just in case.
I've got a pretty good memory when it comes to dials (and stats of ships, as well as lists), though not a great memory for names of people I play.
I'll happily remind my opponent of what moves my ships can do, I generally dont bring a print out of my shio's dial but I'll find it on my smart phone and show you if you ask me.
No, I mean a personal sheet of maneuvers (like a flip book to keep my squadron together and help plan each turn's maneuver).
So I may have in my flip book (digital or physical) an image of the 3x3 table and several deployments. Then different pages on what maneuvers would take them where on the table.
By Maneuver Visualizations I am referring to the sites listed in teh 'Index of Useful Links' under Movement Visualizations.
I'm pretty sure something like this is actually specifically disallowed, as it's equivalent to pre-measuring. I'm pretty sure at the very least a physical deployment template is disallowed, so I can't imagine this would be any more permissible. I'd have to go look in the FAQ though...
*edit* It was actually in the Tournament rules rather than the FAQ. Page 1, 6th Paragraph under "Component Modifications:
"Custom “setup” templates designed to aid players in ship deployment are not allowed."
Which doesn't exactly match what you're talking about, but is certainly in the same spirit.
Edited by OtaconHas anyone ever had an opponent not let you use a printed maneuver reference sheet? I mean complained about you referencing something not FFG official. I would like to laminate and use
but I'm afraid some people may see that as cheating even though it's the same information that FFG says can be referenced at any time.
No, I mean a personal sheet of maneuvers (like a flip book to keep my squadron together and help plan each turn's maneuver).
So I may have in my flip book (digital or physical) an image of the 3x3 table and several deployments. Then different pages on what maneuvers would take them where on the table.
By Maneuver Visualizations I am referring to the sites listed in teh 'Index of Useful Links' under Movement Visualizations.
I'm pretty sure something like this is actually specifically disallowed, as it's equivalent to pre-measuring. I'm pretty sure at the very least a physical deployment template is disallowed, so I can't imagine this would be any more permissible. I'd have to go look in the FAQ though...
That would be my interpretation, as well.
Well right, but during planning? If I just bust out one of these bad boys? Come on, that's at least going to unnerve the opponent.
It's especially unnerving if it's a wooden compass and your opponent is a Gallifreyan vampire.
Because they have two hearts, and you'd have to stake them both to... no, that's fine, I'll see myself out.
No, I mean a personal sheet of maneuvers (like a flip book to keep my squadron together and help plan each turn's maneuver).
So I may have in my flip book (digital or physical) an image of the 3x3 table and several deployments. Then different pages on what maneuvers would take them where on the table.
That's an interesting idea. I don't think there should be any problem with a booklet of deployment formations. When you add depictions of maneuvers on a scale diagram of a 3x3 board, it starts to get a bit questionable. Basically, that could be interpreted as pre-measuring your maneuvers. I don't think there's any official tournament rules on bringing reference materials, but you should probably check with the TO before the tournament starts.
By Maneuver Visualizations I am referring to the sites listed in teh 'Index of Useful Links' under Movement Visualizations.
So, the maneuver "blossom" diagrams? That seems a little sketchy to bring to the table, for the same reason.
It's especially unnerving if it's a wooden compass and your opponent is a Gallifreyan vampire.Because they have two hearts, and you'd have to stake them both to... no, that's fine, I'll see myself out.Well right, but during planning? If I just bust out one of these bad boys? Come on, that's at least going to unnerve the opponent.
Meanwhile, a Follower of Set wouldn't be concerned at all.
Geez, I wouldn't think that would be illegal.
Well, as long as you don't have it printed on transparent plastic so you can hover it over your ships that is. That would have me calling for the TO.
But a notebook with visualizations? Not a problem! The scale would be different enough that I wouldn't consider it anything more than a reference.
No, I mean a personal sheet of maneuvers (like a flip book to keep my squadron together and help plan each turn's maneuver).
So I may have in my flip book (digital or physical) an image of the 3x3 table and several deployments. Then different pages on what maneuvers would take them where on the table.
That's an interesting idea. I don't think there should be any problem with a booklet of deployment formations. When you add depictions of maneuvers on a scale diagram of a 3x3 board, it starts to get a bit questionable. Basically, that could be interpreted as pre-measuring your maneuvers. I don't think there's any official tournament rules on bringing reference materials, but you should probably check with the TO before the tournament starts.
By Maneuver Visualizations I am referring to the sites listed in teh 'Index of Useful Links' under Movement Visualizations.
So, the maneuver "blossom" diagrams? That seems a little sketchy to bring to the table, for the same reason.
I can see how someone would complain about it.
For me I see little difference between that and people that can visualize near exact movements and 'see' them on the table (a friend of mine is like that...darn him!).
For 40k I am really, really good at eyeballing ranges (pre-measuring is now allowed, but before that it mattered) and it was a clear advantage for me.
The diagrams wouldn't have any of the enemy ships, and I'm not talking about using Vassel to plot both side's moves during a match.
On the otherhand in the rulebook on p6 is states:
Players cannot use the maneuver templates to 'test' where ships will end up. ...they must plan their maneuvers by estimating their ships' movement in their heads.
On the otherhand in the rulebook on p6 is states:
Players cannot use the maneuver templates to 'test' where ships will end up. ...they must plan their maneuvers by estimating their ships' movement in their heads.
That in conjunction with the Tournament Rules bit about no 'setup templates' seems to make the case that though it's not explicitly disallowed, a TO could more than reasonably conclude they were.