Macross scratch built one a little while ago over here. I think his was a little bigger then 150m in scale. Other places I've seen estimates from 200m down to 150m. Maybe its a ship that was considered and Lucas knocked back or someone didn't think it was a good fit.

and yet some people on here get all moist when someone mentions the XG-1 Assault Gunboat - which is little more than a scaled down Lambda

HERESY!

And even if that inaccurate and ill-informated generalisation was true... so what? The Empire LIKES uniformity. The TIE Advanced is a TIE Fighter with angled wings. The TIE Bomber is a TIE Advanced with two hulls. The TIE Defender is a TIE Interceptor with three wings instead of two. Practically every ship in the Imperial fleet shares characteristics of other Imperial ships. Your point is redundant.

I have to agree, the fact that the XG-1 looks similar to a Lambda means it will look like it belongs in the Imperial navy to those unfamiliar with the ship (Like me, I never played those games). I'm not really a fan of it based on pics from it's video game model, but if FFG's version looks anything like Fractalsponge's version, I'll be happy with it.

Just a thought. We have the:

CR-90 and soon the Raider.

Do we need a match for the GR-75 or can it be something different entirely. We don't necessarily have to match the transport do we? If we do could the Gonzanti fill that role? I don't think we need to match the transport if we get another cool ship.

Just a thought. We have the:

CR-90 and soon the Raider.

Do we need a match for the GR-75 or can it be something different entirely. We don't necessarily have to match the transport do we? If we do could the Gonzanti fill that role? I don't think we need to match the transport if we get another cool ship.

True. We don't need a transport-equivalent for the Empire. The Gozanti would be a great addition (if problematic, scale wise).

That said, a modular BFF-1 Bulk Frieghter kit with four detachable Class-A Cargo Containers that can be mounted on their own bases to use as objectives or obstacles would be amazing.

Just a thought. We have the:

CR-90 and soon the Raider.

Do we need a match for the GR-75 or can it be something different entirely. We don't necessarily have to match the transport do we? If we do could the Gonzanti fill that role? I don't think we need to match the transport if we get another cool ship.

True. We don't need a transport-equivalent for the Empire. The Gozanti would be a great addition (if problematic, scale wise).

That said, a modular BFF-1 Bulk Frieghter kit with four detachable Class-A Cargo Containers that can be mounted on their own bases to use as objectives or obstacles would be amazing.

Yes FFG please.

I'd go for that!

Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't see myself dropping $40-50 on the Empire's equivalent of a big rig. At least the GR75 has some very solid EW and command/support abilities. Littering space with shipping containers doesn't seem that useful.

I would not be surprised if there was no other epic ships released(maybe one for scum first). Once each faction has one, FFG can close the book on the disaster that epic play has been. That said, if we do get more epic ships, I would be money we will get an Imperial Gonzati. It is all over Disney's newest addition to the IP and it would offer incredibly cool new mechanics (carriers) to the game. Rebels will eventually get the ghost(carrying the phantom) and scum will get the Hounds Tooth(carrying the Nashtah pup) so everyone will be happy. Scale issues are a super lame argument, as Epic through comparable scale out the window. The regular ships are 1/270 scale,the transport is about 1/369 scale, and the CR90 is something like 1/500 scale so its a non factor at this point.

I'd like to see Epic become more of a part of X-Wing. FFG should push more Epic tournaments, etc... I know for many X-Wing is just a dog-fighting game, 4 hours to design your build, a couple of ships and 1 hour to play.

But the Epic huge ships remind me of the movies with fighters zipping around and John Williams playing in the background. I know it isn't an ISD but it's still cool and very Star Warsy; especially with the CR-90, GR-75 and I love the upcoming Raider; it just fits the Star Wars build and looks.

I know it is almost beyond doubtful or realistic to expect but I'd love a mission book, and bulk freighters, asteroid bases, space terrain, and such. For me at least, Star Wars: X-Wing should be more that just a space dog-fight. There are plenty of those out there and some good ones too, Silent Death I'm looking at you. Star Wars: X-Wing should be a feel to the game that says Star Wars pew pew... and

Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't see myself dropping $40-50 on the Empire's equivalent of a big rig. At least the GR75 has some very solid EW and command/support abilities. Littering space with shipping containers doesn't seem that useful.

I could sort of see it from a marketability standpoint; you'd get missions like "Raid the Imperial Convoy" or "Run off the Rebels/Scum". That said, there are two more established canon ships, the Arquitens and the Gozanti out there, and I wouldn't be against having both in my collection.

and yet some people on here get all moist when someone mentions the XG-1 Assault Gunboat - which is little more than a scaled down Lambda

HERESY!

And even if that inaccurate and ill-informated generalisation was true... so what? The Empire LIKES uniformity. The TIE Advanced is a TIE Fighter with angled wings. The TIE Bomber is a TIE Advanced with two hulls. The TIE Defender is a TIE Interceptor with three wings instead of two. Practically every ship in the Imperial fleet shares characteristics of other Imperial ships. Your point is redundant.

Nope

You don't base the design of a state of the art fighter by using a scaled down c-130 as the design template

Your design cues come from ....... wait for it ....... other fighters

that's why so many TIE fighters look like TIE fighters - not cargo shuttles

Gentlemen are you sick of pesky rebels and pirate ships buzzing around with all their shields, turrets and illegal technology? Tired of having to write notification of death letters to the families of dead imperial pilots? Tired of waiting for a solution to the question of what imperial huge ship will be next? Wait no longer behold the H-k Probot! A 150m tall ship devouring machine!

That's just crazy.

Taking a lil probot and blowing him up to giant size is just lazy, unimaginative design, and we shouldn't tolerate it. You might as well have the Rebel version be a giant R2-D2 with turbolasers.

and yet some people on here get all moist when someone mentions the XG-1 Assault Gunboat - which is little more than a scaled down Lambda

Not me, I hate that design, too. It needs to go away, along with the Space Dong ships and the K-wing.

I'm truly afraid to ask what a Space Dong is

and yet some people on here get all moist when someone mentions the XG-1 Assault Gunboat - which is little more than a scaled down Lambda

HERESY!

And even if that inaccurate and ill-informated generalisation was true... so what? The Empire LIKES uniformity. The TIE Advanced is a TIE Fighter with angled wings. The TIE Bomber is a TIE Advanced with two hulls. The TIE Defender is a TIE Interceptor with three wings instead of two. Practically every ship in the Imperial fleet shares characteristics of other Imperial ships. Your point is redundant.

Nope

You don't base the design of a state of the art fighter by using a scaled down c-130 as the design template

Your design cues come from ....... wait for it ....... other fighters

that's why so many TIE fighters look like TIE fighters - not cargo shuttles

But a lot of people are disappointed that the HWK isn't a better fighter.

Nope

You don't base the design of a state of the art fighter by using a scaled down c-130 as the design template

Your design cues come from ....... wait for it ....... other fighters

that's why so many TIE fighters look like TIE fighters - not cargo shuttles

You're still making those inaccurate and ill-informated generalisations...

..however, I'll play along. So you're saying that design cues, elements and aesthetics for a state of the art fighter either cannot or should not be shared between a craft used in a different role? Even if they prove to be a tried, tested and above all effective design?

Oooh look, a state-of the art fighter. Sharing design elements and concepts used in a heavy bomber. Why's that, I wonder? Because they proved to be effective. And these two craft weren't even even built by the same contractor...

...of course, if you'd like to keep your side of the discussion firmly rooted in fantasy rather than reality, we could discuss the rather TIE Fighter-esque design of the viewing port on the VT-49 Decimator transport, or the rather TIE Interceptor like solar panels on the Imperial Raider class corvette... it's entirely up to you.

Heated arguments about ship styles aside I'm rather hoping we see another epic ship before the year is out either imperial or scum. I wouldn't complain if there was a multi-part stick together Neb-B either. I think if epic games were to become a thing we would need to see ships bigger then the 150m mark and that there would need to be some assembly required like some of the larger dust models to make it happen. But will FFG go this way? I don't think so. If we only have one or two epic ships released a year its going to be another couple of years before we see these true epic games taking place. There is also the Armada elephant in the room why would FFG make huge ships in the x-wing scale when they have Armada gearing up and they can make the same ship in that game for a fraction of the price, sell a bunch more units and turn a much greater profit? Many of X-wings players are former 40k players who are pretty much already jaded with being sold huge flimsy models at $200 a pop.

Heated arguments about ship styles aside I'm rather hoping we see another epic ship before the year is out either imperial or scum. I wouldn't complain if there was a multi-part stick together Neb-B either. I think if epic games were to become a thing we would need to see ships bigger then the 150m mark and that there would need to be some assembly required like some of the larger dust models to make it happen. But will FFG go this way? I don't think so. If we only have one or two epic ships released a year its going to be another couple of years before we see these true epic games taking place. There is also the Armada elephant in the room why would FFG make huge ships in the x-wing scale when they have Armada gearing up and they can make the same ship in that game for a fraction of the price, sell a bunch more units and turn a much greater profit? Many of X-wings players are former 40k players who are pretty much already jaded with being sold huge flimsy models at $200 a pop.

I am definitely hoping for another Imperial Epic. I'd love to see the Neb-B but I don't know if that's in FFG model. We'll see.

Nope

You don't base the design of a state of the art fighter by using a scaled down c-130 as the design template

Your design cues come from ....... wait for it ....... other fighters

that's why so many TIE fighters look like TIE fighters - not cargo shuttles

You're still making those inaccurate and ill-informated generalisations...

..however, I'll play along. So you're saying that design cues, elements and aesthetics for a state of the art fighter either cannot or should not be shared between a craft used in a different role? Even if they prove to be a tried, tested and above all effective design?

Oooh look, a state-of the art fighter. Sharing design elements and concepts used in a heavy bomber. Why's that, I wonder? Because they proved to be effective. And these two craft weren't even even built by the same contractor...

...of course, if you'd like to keep your side of the discussion firmly rooted in fantasy rather than reality, we could discuss the rather TIE Fighter-esque design of the viewing port on the VT-49 Decimator transport, or the rather TIE Interceptor like solar panels on the Imperial Raider class corvette... it's entirely up to you.

In fact the F117 nighthawk (aka the stealth fighter) isn't a fighter at all - it's a light bomber

a light bomber and a heavy bomber sharing design elements is hardly a revolutionary notion, particularly as they were designed with virtually identical mission objectives in mind - differing only in range and size of payload.

So thanks for refuting your own argument and proving my point.

Just a couple of thoughts after reading through this since my post:

I think, in hindsight, that epic would be more popular currently if instead of a CR90/Medium Transport release, we saw the CR90 and Imperial Raider release together first. Personally, I love watching games with the current huge ships in them, but I can see why it gets old fast. There aren't many options for Imperial players in the game type, other than, just bringing more TIEs. So current epic games play out pretty similar to one another. The Raider coming out soon will change all of that of course, but, it's like a years worth of missed opportunity.

So it's a lack of choices like Dodt touched on that's holding the format back. You really need more variations of ships and ship archetypes for it to grow and stay interesting. I think it's also the format itself keeping it from becoming more popular. 300 point games are a mess and take so long it's hard to make competitive tournament matches from them. I read a post by someone that they suggested instead of using 300 points for ships, keeping your standard 100 points for your "escort squadron" and then using 140 points just for your epic ship. I think this is a great idea and makes for much quicker games.. it also doesn't threaten to break the game play by having way too many ships on the table.

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Back on topic, while I'm not a big fan of the Y-85 Titan dropship I'm not sure if I've ever seen it mentioned. Some variation of it has been in a lot of different Star Wars games (Star Wars Commander, Empire at War, etc.) although at varying sizes.

There doesn't seem to be a measurement for it anywhere but considering the images shows it holding up to four AT-ATs at 20m length I would say the dropship is at least 60m long. Maybe even going up to 80m in length because there's quite a bit of room in between them. So, I could see this being huge ship sized. It would also be about as useful in a dogfight as a Rebel medium transport is, and it isn't a stretch for me to see it filling a similar role in Imperial fleets. But again, I'm not a big fan of the design, I'd prefer to see other ships over it but if those come out and there still making huge ships... why not?

I'm hoping and going to say we'll see these as the next Epic ships first..

Gozanti Cruiser (as a 2 point)

Tartan Cruiser (3 point)

YE-4 Gunship (2 point)

Arquitens battle cruiser (5 point epic)

And in that order.

In fact the F117 nighthawk (aka the stealth fighter) isn't a fighter at all - it's a light bomber

Oh, I'm well aware of the avionic role and service history of both craft, don't you worry yourself about that. I'm also well aware of the design cues and technology both craft share, despite the obvious fundamental differences between them - something you're not willing to acknowledge, it appears?

So thanks for refuting your own argument and proving my point.

Oh, come now - there's no need to pout so. Just because your observations in this thread are (still) inaccurate, ill-informed, easily disprovable and completely redundant doesn't mean your contriution has been entirely worthless.

If anything, it's entertained me at least.

Do we need a match for the GR-75 or can it be something different entirely. We don't necessarily have to match the transport do we? If we do could the Gonzanti fill that role? I don't think we need to match the transport if we get another cool ship.

That said, a modular BFF-1 Bulk Frieghter kit with four detachable Class-A Cargo Containers that can be mounted on their own bases to use as objectives or obstacles would be amazing.

Yes FFG please. I'd go for that!

Agreed!!

I think four 3d Class-A cargo containers (with same-2d-size cardboard templates to put underneath) as obstacles would be amazing! The missions could be absolutely fabulous.

I have my doubts that FFG would make it, though.

I do like jonnyboy0121's suggestion, though I think the Theta-class landing barge would be a better option. It's not as large, and therefore more manageable. Also, the Titan is actually too tall to fit inside the main docking bay of an Imperial Star Destroyer. The Theta, on the other hand is just short enough to go in.

Agreed!!

I think four 3d Class-A cargo containers (with same-2d-size cardboard templates to put underneath) as obstacles would be amazing! The missions could be absolutely fabulous.

I have my doubts that FFG would make it, though.

Yeah, I have my doubts too, unfortunately. 3D obstacles, objectives and civilian vessels occupy that design space which sounds like a really good idea, but would be pretty irrelevant to competitive or tournament play.

Cinematic stroke Epic play however... yeah, they could have a home there. The CR90 and GR75 are already able to be used as obstacles instead of asteroids, so there is the potential for crossover at least.

Do we need a match for the GR-75 or can it be something different entirely. We don't necessarily have to match the transport do we? If we do could the Gonzanti fill that role? I don't think we need to match the transport if we get another cool ship.

That said, a modular BFF-1 Bulk Frieghter kit with four detachable Class-A Cargo Containers that can be mounted on their own bases to use as objectives or obstacles would be amazing.

Yes FFG please. I'd go for that!

Agreed!!

I think four 3d Class-A cargo containers (with same-2d-size cardboard templates to put underneath) as obstacles would be amazing! The missions could be absolutely fabulous.

I have my doubts that FFG would make it, though.

I do like jonnyboy0121's suggestion, though I think the Theta-class landing barge would be a better option. It's not as large, and therefore more manageable. Also, the Titan is actually too tall to fit inside the main docking bay of an Imperial Star Destroyer. The Theta, on the other hand is just short enough to go in.

We could 'all' email FFG and ask for 3d space terrain like: Class-A cargo containers; armed and unarmed asteroid bases, 3d obstacles and objectives; civialian vessels all with 2d side cardboard.

I'd rather see this than Epic or other 3rd faction stuff. Just me saying as I know many like the 3rd faction.

I do like jonnyboy0121's suggestion, though I think the Theta-class landing barge would be a better option. It's not as large, and therefore more manageable. Also, the Titan is actually too tall to fit inside the main docking bay of an Imperial Star Destroyer. The Theta, on the other hand is just short enough to go in.

Thanks! I'd considered the Theta-class landing barge too. I was thinking it may be a little too small knowing it only has room for one AT-AT and the measurements of it are also a little difficult to find as well. But looking at this screen in Star Wars: Empire at War it actually looks larger than I was thinking.

Just eyeballing that - it looks about 3x longer than the AT-AT it just dropped off. So let's say 60m. If it is that large, and depending on what FFG's lower limit is for what they consider ship sizes that fall under the "epic" size category, the Theta-class could work as well.

I do like jonnyboy0121's suggestion, though I think the Theta-class landing barge would be a better option. It's not as large, and therefore more manageable. Also, the Titan is actually too tall to fit inside the main docking bay of an Imperial Star Destroyer. The Theta, on the other hand is just short enough to go in.

Thanks! I'd considered the Theta-class landing barge too. I was thinking it may be a little too small knowing it only has room for one AT-AT and the measurements of it are also a little difficult to find as well. But looking at this screen in Star Wars: Empire at War it actually looks larger than I was thinking.

Just eyeballing that - it looks about 3x longer than the AT-AT it just dropped off. So let's say 60m. If it is that large, and depending on what FFG's lower limit is for what they consider ship sizes that fall under the "epic" size category, the Theta-class could work as well.

I'd take the scaling from EaW with a grain of salt. The Theta barges would have to be smaller than that to fit into the aperture of the Star Destroyer. (I've been working on a scaling and deckplanning project for the Star Destroyer - the discussion on the Theta, I think, starts on pg. 16)

In all, I think the Theta should be a large-base craft, rather than a huge. Fortunately, with the simplicity of that ship's trapezoidal brick-like design, it'd be fairly easy to scratch-model it.

Will FFG create another Imperial Huge Ship?