methodical care and master chirurgeon talents

By Buronkai, in Only War Rules Questions

are these two actually the same thing?

master chirurgeon states:

The character’s advanced medical skills enable him to knit flesh with deft mastery. The character’s exceptional education in use of the Narthecium, Med-Slate, and supplemental drugs give their patients an enormous advantage. The character gains a +10 bonus on all Medicae Skill Tests. If the character fails his Medicae Test while performing Extended Care, he reduces the amount of Damage suffered by his patience due to his failure by an amount equal to his Intelligence Bonus. If their patient is in danger of losing a limb from a Critical Hit (see Chapter VIII: Combat), the character provides the patient with a +20 bonus to the Toughness Test to prevent limb loss.

while Methodical care states:

This character does his utmost to make sure that his comrades do not die on the operating table. Though no medic can save every patient, this character’s drive to preserve every life possible is reflected in his rate of success. Whenever one of this character’s patients would suffer Damage from a failed Test made as part of the Extended Care Special Use of the Medicae Skill, this character may reduce that Damage by an amount equal to his Intelligence Bonus.

it is me or there's no diference besides the +20 to prevent limb loss?

Also no +10 Medicae from Methodical Care.

Master Chiurgeon is Tier 3, Int and Fieldcraft

Methodical Care is Tier 2, Int and Knowledge

Don't know what you would with the overlap if you had both, 2xIB reduction in damage?