as u guys already now cause of the title.

iam here suggesting the V-Wing as the one of the next ships for the pirates. like the x-wing was the backbone ship from the rebels the V-Wing fulfilled this role for the mandalorians, hutt cartel and many other syndikates.

the V-Wing is a clone wars ship yes and had the role of an Interceptor er like ship that carried bombs with it.

ive always played the V-Wing in Battlefront 2 and was quite skilled with him even in SW Galaxies so i think i know how i would make him cost and look like on the battlefield.

His stats should be exact like the x-wing 3/2/3/2 many will think now what ? really ? is this guy insane ?

Yes and YES !!!

the thing is the V wing had shielding and was pretty tanky, had OK agility.

to make this fighter feel different from the X-wing tough comes in play in terms of dial, action bar and the upgrade bar. well lets begin then.

to the dial. his dial should show that he was quite capable in dogfights as heavy fighter llike the wookiepedia tells us and my own experiences as pilot with it.

Speed 1 - He will have red 1 tiurns like the defender showing that he can du such a manouver but with high risks with losing action. his 1 forward and 1 banks should be green to shed the stress.

Speed 2 - 2 turns white, 2 banks white and 2 forward green.

Speed 3 - 3 turns white, 3 Banks white and the 3 forward green.

SO far his dial has 2 reds and 5 green manouvers.

Speed 4 - 4 Forward Red showing that even an old heavy fighter has its limits keeping up with the modern fighters.

Speed 5 - 5 K-turn like the tie bomber showing that it has even aspects of a bomber like ship.

with these the V-Wing has a total of 16 moves to chose from like the most with 3 reds and 5 greens in it

Now to the Action Bar

Focus, Target Lock and Boost

many will think why boost ? well the answer is simple heavy fighters do turn pretty well if u fly em at low speed so they can get better aim at thier prey. making him again a dangerous threat imagine one push the limit V-wing with boost and target lock chasing a Falcon that cant shake him of + getting out of the V-Wings arc.

to the Upgrade Bar.

It should have the missile upgrade slot, salvaged astromech slot and the bomb upgrade slot. no ilicit or system upgrade slots cause with the 3 upgrade bars u can customize the V-wing well enough.

the ship should start like the X-wing at a minimum cost of 21 up to 28 something. my predictions. it is the pirate like Tie-Advanced/X-wing fighter.

i came up with a title card aswell for those that want to use Torpedos instead of Missiles

the title card should be called V-Wing Ver.T ( version torpedo ) cost 0 points.

Change the Missile upgrade icon with the torpedo Icon. i chosed to make it a title card so that the V-wing still can benefit from modification cards like stealth device etc.

the colour of the should be the dark orange grey paint sheme. for later V-Wing aces u could use the blue/gray paint sheme to represent some mandalorian heroes.

i Hope u enjoyed reading this stuff and that we will see the V-wing in the near future with these stats and possibilities or something close to it. iam sure our designers will make a great job like they always did so far. ive watched/heard the interview and man like they said its not like they can bring a patch ver 3.456 to patch a ship ;P.

heres the link for the V-Wing: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha-3_Nimbus-class_V-wing_starfighter

Yeah, I'm hoping for a V-Wing too, specifically for the Scum faction.

See: http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/127944-is-it-likely-that-we-will-see-v-wing-in-set-7/

That would make for an interesting dial. I like it but I might go a step farther in emphasizing the heaviness by making its 1-banks white and 2-banks green.

The slow ship with native boost would be novel but not inappropriate. It is just a new perspective on the mechanic.

I'd drop the bomb upgrade (excuse the pun). Scum will have enough ships with that slot and I don't think it needs it to achieve the ship archtype your are building towards.

The V-Wing is not a bomber and never was.

The V-Wing is not a bomber and never was.

I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make here. Could you be a little more direct please

What's with the sudden burst of V-wing threads? They keep popping up. Why not just contain it to one V-wing megathread? Erk.

I wouldn't count on this thing popping up. Scum doesn't necessarily mean old

What's with the sudden burst of V-wing threads? They keep popping up. Why not just contain it to one V-wing megathread? Erk.

I wouldn't count on this thing popping up. Scum doesn't necessarily mean old

Bandwagons. They like to encircle.

What's with the sudden burst of V-wing threads? They keep popping up. Why not just contain it to one V-wing megathread? Erk.

I wouldn't count on this thing popping up. Scum doesn't necessarily mean old

Desperation because they know the new films will bring new ships and pretty much ensure prequel ships never make an appearance, but they already knew that because the companies said it's civil war onwards anyway.

You seem to be basing all this off BF2, which is horrendously inaccurate. As Lackwit has stated, the V-wing is NOT a bomber or heavy fighter. The V-wing is more like a Squint with shields and no 5 straight.

You seem to be basing all this off BF2, which is horrendously inaccurate. As Lackwit has stated, the V-wing is NOT a bomber or heavy fighter. The V-wing is more like a Squint with shields and no 5 straight.

Precisely.

I mean, does this really look large enough to be a Bomber? It doesn't even have a sodding hyperdrive.

ok ok i edited the thing that it wasnt a bomber BUT it carried proton bombs. thats why i called it a bomber >.>.

but still thx for the nerd rages ;p

Im not really sure how good an air-speeder would be in space combat, sure it had a dedicated transport to transport four of them between planets...but then this is star wars where space combat is the more or less the same thing as air combat....

So what's next on the wish list? The snow speeders from empire

I am curious why they would choose a ship that is heavily associated with the Republic/Empire for Scum over the ships of really, really popular Bounty Hunters.

I am curious why they would choose a ship that is heavily associated with the Republic/Empire for Scum over the ships of really, really popular Bounty Hunters.

SWFoC frequently displays the V-wing as becoming a Scum staple after the Empire stop using them. You somehow see more of them than Z-95s. V-wings aren't actually grasping at prequel straws: there's a precedent for them in the hands of Scum. However, there are other barriers to inclusion.

ok ok i edited the thing that it wasnt a bomber BUT it carried proton bombs. thats why i called it a bomber >.>.

The Wookiee lies. It's a bomber in SWBFII because it was the only ship left for it: they had to fit the Eta-2, ARC-170 and Alpha-3 (the V-wing) into Interceptor, Bomber and Multi-role and for continuity with the X-wing the ARC-170 was multi-role. Could hardly make the Eta-2 a bomber.

The V-wing is actually a Clone Wars era TIE fighter: an agile light craft used for swarm attacks. As a Clone Wars ship it's outclassed by the GCW tech that comes after it, so it's not going to be significantly better than the TIE fighter.

This means the V-wing is in the 12-15 pt design space, and that area is very crowded. It can't be worse than the TIE fighter because the TIE is already at the minimum point cost (according to what the designers said in the GenCon interview 12pt is the absolute floor: 11pt ships (meaning 9 ships in 100pt) aren't happening) and being significantly better isn't being true to the ship's role. What space is left without being a TIE fighter, Scyk, A-wing or Z-95? I'm impressed they managed to cram the Scyk in, but I'm unconvinced that there's room left for the V-wing, especially in Scum.

To be fair, the Scyk can essentially operate like 2 different fighters.

The V-Wing is not a bomber and never was.

Neither is the Y-wing......

It's plausible to load it out as a bomber and it gets used as such in multiple sources, then the Clone Wars BTL-B is overtly a bomber. The V-wing, well, that'd be like sticking bombs on an A-wing.

It has about the same hull size as the oversized a-wing, so 2 hull like the e-wing, phantom, and z95.

It is older than the x-wing and the systems would be less advanced, so 1 shield.

Agility wise, it is said to have inspired the a-wing and future wedge shaped interceptors, so agility 3.

Firepower? I mean, look at those guns. Pittly little antique guns. 2 dice. However, it is mentioned that they are on a swivel mount, so perhaps given them a secondary fire arc from the rear?

Upgrade slots? While it has a astromech slot (salvaged for scum) it doesn't have missiles or torpedoes.

If you really want to, give it a title/exclusive modification that downgrades the dial and agility and gives you a bomb slot. Just as a nod to the battle front people.

It has about the same hull size as the oversized a-wing, so 2 hull like the e-wing, phantom, and z95.

It is older than the x-wing and the systems would be less advanced, so 1 shield.

Agility wise, it is said to have inspired the a-wing and future wedge shaped interceptors, so agility 3.

And here's the problem:

Depends on which V-wing.

Are you talking about this..

You seem to be basing all this off BF2, which is horrendously inaccurate. As Lackwit has stated, the V-wing is NOT a bomber or heavy fighter. The V-wing is more like a Squint with shields and no 5 straight.

Precisely.



I mean, does this really look large enough to be a Bomber? It doesn't even have a sodding hyperdrive.

As we also have this V-wing!

and yes this is still cannon according to EU. This is also the V-wing in my Star Wars Essentials Guide to Vehicles and Vessels published in 2003. However this version it is a repulsor craft like the snowspeeder and can't fly in space.

ok ok i edited the thing that it wasnt a bomber BUT it carried proton bombs. thats why i called it a bomber >.>.

but still thx for the nerd rages ;p

It didn't carry bombs, in fact, it didn't carry anything. It didn't have ordnance. All it had was 2 dual laser cannons.

EDIT: In the games Star Wars: Battlefront II and Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron, the V-wing is depicted as a heavy bomber with shock cannons and proton bombs rather than the fast interceptor craft that it has been established as in other sources. Although this portrayal of the ship is likely considered non-canon, it was done regardless as the fighter and interceptor roles for the Republic faction were already filled, leaving the V-wing to take on the bomber ship class. Surprisingly, the ARC-170, which has a role of bomber in other sources, does not have that same role in Battlefront II—it is given the multi-purpose fighter role, likely for the purpose of creating continuity with its better-known descendant.

I am curious why they would choose a ship that is heavily associated with the Republic/Empire for Scum over the ships of really, really popular Bounty Hunters.

SWFoC frequently displays the V-wing as becoming a Scum staple after the Empire stop using them. You somehow see more of them than Z-95s. V-wings aren't actually grasping at prequel straws: there's a precedent for them in the hands of Scum. However, there are other barriers to inclusion.

ok ok i edited the thing that it wasnt a bomber BUT it carried proton bombs. thats why i called it a bomber >.>.

The Wookiee lies. It's a bomber in SWBFII because it was the only ship left for it: they had to fit the Eta-2, ARC-170 and Alpha-3 (the V-wing) into Interceptor, Bomber and Multi-role and for continuity with the X-wing the ARC-170 was multi-role. Could hardly make the Eta-2 a bomber.

The V-wing is actually a Clone Wars era TIE fighter: an agile light craft used for swarm attacks. As a Clone Wars ship it's outclassed by the GCW tech that comes after it, so it's not going to be significantly better than the TIE fighter.

This means the V-wing is in the 12-15 pt design space, and that area is very crowded. It can't be worse than the TIE fighter because the TIE is already at the minimum point cost (according to what the designers said in the GenCon interview 12pt is the absolute floor: 11pt ships (meaning 9 ships in 100pt) aren't happening) and being significantly better isn't being true to the ship's role. What space is left without being a TIE fighter, Scyk, A-wing or Z-95? I'm impressed they managed to cram the Scyk in, but I'm unconvinced that there's room left for the V-wing, especially in Scum.

It's not in the 12-15 point space! It's basically a scum a-wing. It is more advanced than the Tie, but the Tie was cheaper and since they didn't have any real major threats in the galaxy, they stopped primary production. Its stats would be something like 3 3 2 1, same dial as a Squint but no 5 straight, and 1 banks and 1 straight, and a salvaged astromech slot. plenty of room to differentiate between it and all the cheapies.

What's with the sudden burst of V-wing threads? They keep popping up. Why not just contain it to one V-wing megathread? Erk.

I wouldn't count on this thing popping up. Scum doesn't necessarily mean old

Desperation because they know the new films will bring new ships and pretty much ensure prequel ships never make an appearance, but they already knew that because the companies said it's civil war onwards anyway.

It's not in the 12-15 point space! It's basically a scum a-wing. It is more advanced than the Tie, but the Tie was cheaper and since they didn't have any real major threats in the galaxy, they stopped primary production. Its stats would be something like 3 3 2 1, same dial as a Squint but no 5 straight, and 1 banks and 1 straight, and a salvaged astromech slot. plenty of room to differentiate between it and all the cheapies.

If the V-wing is equivalent/superior to the A-wing why did the Rebels develop the (15pt) A-wing again?

It's a Clone Wars fighter, outdated and lightly armed. It is at best on par with the TIE fighter. It is certainly not superior to the TIE interceptor, and also certainly does not have firepower equivalent to the X-wing, TIE interceptor and B-wing.

The word Interceptor does not mean A-wing/TIE interceptor equivalent: an interceptor is a fighter craft designed to take down other fighter craft. The TIE fighter is technically an interceptor.

It's not in the 12-15 point space! It's basically a scum a-wing. It is more advanced than the Tie, but the Tie was cheaper and since they didn't have any real major threats in the galaxy, they stopped primary production. Its stats would be something like 3 3 2 1, same dial as a Squint but no 5 straight, and 1 banks and 1 straight, and a salvaged astromech slot. plenty of room to differentiate between it and all the cheapies.

If the V-wing is equivalent/superior to the A-wing why did the Rebels develop the (15pt) A-wing again?

It's a Clone Wars fighter, outdated and lightly armed. It is at best on par with the TIE fighter. It is certainly not superior to the TIE interceptor, and also certainly does not have firepower equivalent to the X-wing, TIE interceptor and B-wing.

The word Interceptor does not mean A-wing/TIE interceptor equivalent: an interceptor is a fighter craft designed to take down other fighter craft. The TIE fighter is technically an interceptor.

It's not superior to the 17* point A-wing. It fills a different role. Z-95s are even older, and they are on par with Ties. It is superior to Fighters but a notch below the A-wing and Squint. It was so effective that a lot of the A-wing was created from the V-wing! It's a direct predecessor, and as we've seen with the X-wing and Z-95, that doesn't make it worthless. It would fill the A-wing style role for the S&V faction, and as for the last comment about interceptors and the like, Tie Fighters are actually Space Superiority Fighters/Escorts, not interceptors. As for stats, I suck at them, but believe me it IS a better ship than the standard Tie.

Direct Comparison:

Speed: T. 100 MGLT V. 75 MGLT = T. > V.

Acceleration: T. 4100 G V. 4800 G = T. < V.

Shields: T. no V. yes = T. < V.

Armament: T. 2 Laser cannons V. 2 Twin Laser cannons - T. < V.

Hyperdrive: T. None V. hyperdrive ring = T. < V.

Crew: T. 1 pilot V. 1 pilot 1 astromech = T. < V.

Hull: T. Titanium hull (15 RU) V. Unkown hull, but armor plated (RU???) = T. ?? V.

The only thing the Tie has over the V-wing is speed and maybe hull strength.

The starviper already sits in the a-wing/ interceptor for scyk, it's got the boost action fire power equal to a squint a decent dial but more hit points.

So either the v-wing is a tie equivalent and that's spots already taken or its an interceptor equivalent and that roles already taken, there's no wiggle room really.

The Scyk doesn't necessarily have the same firepower as an Interceptor. You can give them a cannon, sure, but that isn't necessarily the same thing.