OK so I'm gonna go ahead and call it that the winning list will either be a decimator, fat han, or swarm.

Decimator are a ridiculously tough ship naturally and can be set up to really do well against current main 3. Against whisper and even auto thruster interceptors you have Vader gunner and rebel captive. With swarms you have some ordinance/bombs and the ruthless ept. Fat Hans will be toughest especially with r2d2 c3p0 which will be popular thanks to Jeff and Paul but oicunn can ram them and you can build them to throw 4 and 5 dice.

Fat Hans are always going to be a thing even with auto thrusters out there.

Swarms always have and always will be viable. I think we will see some more 8 z95 swarms and some fun scum z95 swarms with some interesting tricks.

But what about Dash?? I think there will be a TON or Outriders at gencon. Dash's being the most numerous. Most will be running the super predictable PTL dash. He will be eaten alive by ps8 decimator with engine. Fel with auto thrusters and whisper. Now smarter players will bring someone to squad leader him like Jan so he can boost barrel roll at ps8 but Jan will die very fast. The best Dash players will be running ps9 Dash and he is going to eat phantom players tears all night especially if his build is 97bpoints beating everyone whispers 98 point build. So ps9 dash will have the best showing but won't be able to last as long with the decimators.

What about the scum? I think there will be a lot of scum lists there which will have all sorts of fun and unique stuff. It's hard to judge them competitively since only the play testers know what all the scum can do and for the rest of us we are just now theory crafting and practicing with what we have so far.

So these are my gencon thoughts. If I was a betting man I'd put my money on a decimator list winning. I'll be there either running one or sticking with my Dash shenanigans! Thoughts?

Perhaps if you could explain to me why Scum and Wave 6, including the stuff we haven't seen yet. Not to mention, I'm pretty certain there is going to be at least one more release between Wave 6 and Gencon.

Go ahead and make predictions based on very, very incomplete data. Don't let me interrupt your turret rant.

Doubt it. There are other Dash builds that eat Decimators alive. 4-ship Rebel shreds a decimator like paper. The mets had already started adjusting to turrets at world's. After another year and a whole new bag of tricks I really doubt that Han will still be as dominant.

The thing about Fat Han is he's already pretty fat. No more upgrade slots. He's as tanky and as dodgy as he is going to get.

Dash rulz.

This is a positional game. Dash ignores the obstacles.

Pretty simple really.

My prediction is there will be limited slots in a tournament and will fill up quickly leaving many people that can compete out of the running at the get go.

My second prediction is the Gen-Con X-wing tournament will take waaaaaaay longer than it should again, and any hope of enjoying gencon will be taken up by tournament rounds running into the wee hours of the morning again.

Dash rulz.

This is a positional game. Dash ignores the obstacles.

Pretty simple really.

Not as simple as that, any other turret ships can still target you and figure on the smart players cornering there 3 asteroids.

Perhaps if you could explain to me why Scum and Wave 6, including the stuff we haven't seen yet. Not to mention, I'm pretty certain there is going to be at least one more release between Wave 6 and Gencon.

Go ahead and make predictions based on very, very incomplete data. Don't let me interrupt your turret rant.

Oh sorry should have made a topic about the new star wars trailer instead. Yes this speculation, the thing we do on this forum 50% of the time. No rant as I'm a turret player I'm just interested in what people think will win gencon with what we currently know to be out.

Ps. Sorry for double post phone doesn't let me quote very well.

My prediction is that by Worlds next year, Scum will equal or exceed Empire for lists showing at Worlds. Rebels will stay the same

Rebels will stay strong at 60-70% (turreted ships, synergy being key elements that work for these squads) but the Empire will start to fall off as Scyk mini swarms with deadman paired with a heavy start beating Empire swarm lists and taking over the cheap swarm spot but with punch as illicit upgrades will give scum an edge over vanilla tie fighters.

My prediction is that by Worlds next year, Scum will equal or exceed Empire for lists showing at Worlds. Rebels will stay the same

Rebels will stay strong at 60-70% (turreted ships, synergy being key elements that work for these squads) but the Empire will start to fall off as Scyk mini swarms with deadman paired with a heavy start beating Empire swarm lists and taking over the cheap swarm spot but with punch as illicit upgrades will give scum an edge over vanilla tie fighters.

I hope we definitely see alot of scum!

Am I the only one unimpressed with the illicit upgrades so far?

Perhaps if you could explain to me why Scum and Wave 6, including the stuff we haven't seen yet. Not to mention, I'm pretty certain there is going to be at least one more release between Wave 6 and Gencon.

Go ahead and make predictions based on very, very incomplete data. Don't let me interrupt your turret rant.

Oh sorry should have made a topic about the new star wars trailer instead. Yes this speculation, the thing we do on this forum 50% of the time. No rant as I'm a turret player I'm just interested in what people think will win gencon with what we currently know to be out.

Ps. Sorry for double post phone doesn't let me quote very well.

It's one thing to be talking about Store Championships. That is something fairly close to what we know. But this year, we had Imperial Aces, the Medium Transport, Tantive IV, and Wave 4 come out before Gencon. You are basically basing this years Gencon based on Wave 3 data. To claim that the meta is not going to shift outside of the basic idea of Turret/Swarm/Phantom makes no sense, even if you do enjoy the turrets. We can't predict the effects of something that we don't know about. I'm sure there will be one more Wave between Wave 6 and Gencon, maybe a few side releases. We don't know, and we can't predict that the meta will stay in the Wave 5 meta.

Besides, I think you are underestimating the Firespray.

Perhaps if you could explain to me why Scum and Wave 6, including the stuff we haven't seen yet. Not to mention, I'm pretty certain there is going to be at least one more release between Wave 6 and Gencon.

Go ahead and make predictions based on very, very incomplete data. Don't let me interrupt your turret rant.

Oh sorry should have made a topic about the new star wars trailer instead. Yes this speculation, the thing we do on this forum 50% of the time. No rant as I'm a turret player I'm just interested in what people think will win gencon with what we currently know to be out.

Ps. Sorry for double post phone doesn't let me quote very well.

It's one thing to be talking about Store Championships. That is something fairly close to what we know. But this year, we had Imperial Aces, the Medium Transport, Tantive IV, and Wave 4 come out before Gencon. You are basically basing this years Gencon based on Wave 3 data. To claim that the meta is not going to shift outside of the basic idea of Turret/Swarm/Phantom makes no sense, even if you do enjoy the turrets. We can't predict the effects of something that we don't know about. I'm sure there will be one more Wave between Wave 6 and Gencon, maybe a few side releases. We don't know, and we can't predict that the meta will stay in the Wave 5 meta.

Besides, I think you are underestimating the Firespray.

True there were alot of releases before gencon which is very good point! What kind of ideas are thinking about with the firespray?

I just see Falcons not liking Scum Kath with a HLC. Consistant 4 die attacks that doesn't crumple like a Phantom will be a bit tough, especially on those Falcon/HWK combos. I'm also waiting for the other shoe to drop on Iggy. The cost is rather high for what it is, so there must be something good left to be revealed.

I just see Falcons not liking Scum Kath with a HLC. Consistant 4 die attacks that doesn't crumple like a Phantom will be a bit tough, especially on those Falcon/HWK combos. I'm also waiting for the other shoe to drop on Iggy. The cost is rather high for what it is, so there must be something good left to be revealed.

Scum Kath with an engine will be fun! I'm hoping scum takes some tournaments!

I just see Falcons not liking Scum Kath with a HLC. Consistant 4 die attacks that doesn't crumple like a Phantom will be a bit tough, especially on those Falcon/HWK combos. I'm also waiting for the other shoe to drop on Iggy. The cost is rather high for what it is, so there must be something good left to be revealed.

Scum Kath with Outman. Every chance of a 4v0 vs Falcon. C3Pwh0?!