I didn't see any acknowledgement of their tournament legality in the announcement. Has anyone seen anything official from FFG on this topic? I'm sure loads of people will bring them to tournaments over the weekend and confusion will prevail.

Official Tournament rules still say asteroids specifically.

I didn't see any acknowledgement of their tournament legality in the announcement. Has anyone seen anything official from FFG on this topic? I'm sure loads of people will bring them to tournaments over the weekend and confusion will prevail.

The tournament rules still do not permit debris fields.

I would suspect we will see something after Thanksgiving here in the US to address this very issue.

I would suspect that Debris Fields will be added to the tournament Legal list and rules for how to use them.

Yeah I expect an update soon. I'm sure it'll just be you can replace your asteroids with them.

I'd prefer that they hold off on adding debris fields to the official tournament rules until wave 6 at the earliest. I wouldn't be sad if they never included them. Allowing debris fields seem like it would give an advantage to players with the Wave 5 ships that come with them.

I'd prefer that they hold off on adding debris fields to the official tournament rules until wave 6 at the earliest. I wouldn't be sad if they never included them. Allowing debris fields seem like it would give an advantage to players with the Wave 5 ships that come with them.

Not necessarily. You would still have the option of Asteroids. No way are they taking those away.

I'd prefer that they hold off on adding debris fields to the official tournament rules until wave 6 at the earliest. I wouldn't be sad if they never included them. Allowing debris fields seem like it would give an advantage to players with the Wave 5 ships that come with them.

How so outside of simply having them? None of the new ships interact with them any differently than they do asteroids...

I'd prefer that they hold off on adding debris fields to the official tournament rules until wave 6 at the earliest. I wouldn't be sad if they never included them. Allowing debris fields seem like it would give an advantage to players with the Wave 5 ships that come with them.

Not necessarily. You would still have the option of Asteroids. No way are they taking those away.

I can't see the tournament rules requiring both players to agree on using debris fields in a game. If one player wants to place a debris field instead of an asteroid the other player won't be able to stop him.

I'd prefer that they hold off on adding debris fields to the official tournament rules until wave 6 at the earliest. I wouldn't be sad if they never included them. Allowing debris fields seem like it would give an advantage to players with the Wave 5 ships that come with them.

How so outside of simply having them? None of the new ships interact with them any differently than they do asteroids...

All ships interact with debris fields differently than they do with asteroids.

Dash loves Debris fields, which I think may be what he is getting at.

At the same time, it's true of any other new Wave/ship purchase (players that purchase them have access to the ships and cards).

When are we going to be able to use Huge Ships as obstacles in tournaments!?!?!?

We tried using the rules that let you use huge ships as obstacles and it really changes how you play. can't say i liked it better than asteroids though.

I'd prefer that they hold off on adding debris fields to the official tournament rules until wave 6 at the earliest. I wouldn't be sad if they never included them. Allowing debris fields seem like it would give an advantage to players with the Wave 5 ships that come with them.

How so outside of simply having them? None of the new ships interact with them any differently than they do asteroids...

All ships interact with debris fields differently than they do with asteroids.

Using debris fields as obstacles seems different to me than my opponent using a ship or card that I don't own. As far as I can tell there has never been anything from an expansion included into the tournament rules that affects the setup of the game or the way the playing area works.

I'd prefer that they hold off on adding debris fields to the official tournament rules until wave 6 at the earliest. I wouldn't be sad if they never included them. Allowing debris fields seem like it would give an advantage to players with the Wave 5 ships that come with them.

Not necessarily. You would still have the option of Asteroids. No way are they taking those away.

I can't see the tournament rules requiring both players to agree on using debris fields in a game. If one player wants to place a debris field instead of an asteroid the other player won't be able to stop him.

I'm curious to see how this will go.

Don't the official tourney rules require the player with initiative to provide the set of asteroids? Doesn't seem to come up much, since most of the time both players have asteroids, and just use whichever ones are already on the table or get taken out of storage first.

But if they keep that rule alive, I suppose the providing player might be able to select the distribution of asteroids and debris fields. Although that raises further questions... could you select four asteroids and two fields, or must the fields be selected as a single "set" of three? Could you use two fields from the Outrider kit and one from the Decimator? People would certainly raise an eyebrow if someone who owned 6x starter sets tried to provide 6x copies of the large asteroid at the start of a game, so there seems to be some precedent for using only "complete sets" of obstacles.

Including yours...again I don't see what you are getting at here. Dash interacts differently...but that difference is the same for both debris fields and asteroids...

The difference I believe he is getting at is people with Wave 5 will be more familiar with their rules and shape/size which gives a slight advantage to those with more playing experience with them.

The practical effect of such an advantage could be debated, but that it potentially is there is easy enough to see

Using debris fields as obstacles seems different to me than my opponent using a ship or card that I don't own. As far as I can tell there has never been anything from an expansion included into the tournament rules that affects the setup of the game or the way the playing area works.

I'd say new ships(phantom for sure) have an equally large impact on how the field looks at the beginning. If they didn't then someone was doing it wrong.

Using debris fields as obstacles seems different to me than my opponent using a ship or card that I don't own. As far as I can tell there has never been anything from an expansion included into the tournament rules that affects the setup of the game or the way the playing area works.

I'd say new ships(phantom for sure) have an equally large impact on how the field looks at the beginning. If they didn't then someone was doing it wrong.

There have always been 6 asteroids (1 each of the asteroids that came with the core set) that were placed with at least 1 range band between them and at least 2 range bands from the edge. The obstacles all had the same effect. Players change the strategy that they use in asteroid placement in response to their squad composition and that of their opponent but they are still placing the same obstacles with the same constraints.

Allowing debris fields to be placed provides additional options in the setup phase for owners of Wave 5 ships when playing opponents that don't have those ships. If your opponent has a squad that would favor debris over asteroids, you can choose not to make your debris available, if you see that their squad would be at a disadvantage to you with debris in play then you can choose to allow your debris to be placed.

Don't the official tourney rules require the player with initiative to provide the set of asteroids? Doesn't seem to come up much, since most of the time both players have asteroids, and just use whichever ones are already on the table or get taken out of storage first.

Yup.

5. The player with initiative places the six unique asteroid tokens from his
core set next to the play area.

It seems much more likely that players may choose to substitute some (or all) of their asteroid allotment with debris instead.

Isn't that how the big ship obstacles work?

- H8

I can see it being that all 12 unique obstacles (6 asteroid, 6 debris ) are placed out and added 1 at a time till there are 6 obstacles on the board

It seems much more likely that players may choose to substitute some (or all) of their asteroid allotment with debris instead.

Isn't that how the big ship obstacles work?

- H8

Huge ships as obstacles are not permitted in tournament play.

It seems much more likely that players may choose to substitute some (or all) of their asteroid allotment with debris instead.

The FAQ says to use 1 Huge ship instead of 3 asteroid tokens. So I guess the question is perhaps one of size. How big is the debris field compared to asteroids?

Huge ships as obstacles are not permitted in tournament play.

Sure they are.

Huge ships as obstacles are not permitted in tournament play.

Sure they are.

Huge ships may not be used as obstacles during tournament play, except in casual events in which the Tournament Organizer has announced prior to the event that they will allow huge ships to be used as obstacles.

Ok. Let me rephrase.

Huge ships as obstacles are not permitted in sanctioned competitive or premier tournament play.

It seems much more likely that players may choose to substitute some (or all) of their asteroid allotment with debris instead.

The FAQ says to use 1 Huge ship instead of 3 asteroid tokens. So I guess the question is perhaps one of size. How big is the debris field compared to asteroids?

Quite a bit bigger. Around 30-40% more area and definitely more on the long side than asteroids.