BTL-A4 And R3-A2

By TIE Pilot, in X-Wing

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Anyone else see it?


I must be the only person who finds a way to put R3 A2 into all of his lists anyway. I wouldn't put it on a Y-wing unless you have another way to ditch stress though.

Personally I think it's worth losing your focus action for a certain double stress and possible ion to boot.

Double stress? are you using Flechette + Failsafe in this list as well?

Double stress? are you using Flechette + Failsafe in this list as well?

That would get you triple stress and maybe an ion.

Edit: Errr. Primary weapon. Nevermind.

Run it with some Wingman A-wings?

Edited by Introverdant

Double stress? are you using Flechette + Failsafe in this list as well?

BTL-A4 lets you attack twice and R3-A2 doesn't care if you're stressed already. Take two stress, deal two stress. Actions don't matter as much if you don't need to hit and only have one defence die anyway. If you do though, that's up to three damage (probably one or two) and an ion token.

Run it with some Wingman A-wings?

I thought of that but you'd need two it could get pricey plus the Range 1 leash limits the A-wings. Plus the Y-wing'll still be stuck on its greens. That being said, PTL Wingman A-wings have plenty of other uses (if the Y-wing doesn't need their help they can help each other allowing them to use their full dials with PTL).

If you do need your action economy though Garven Dreis is a good option. He's an X-wing so that's a solid ship right off the bat, his focus passing has good range and his focus passing doesn't care about stress. Kyle too's a good shout, if a bit more expensive.

Edited by TIE Pilot

I must be the only person who finds a way to put R3 A2 into all of his lists anyway. I wouldn't put it on a Y-wing unless you have another way to ditch stress though.

I think the thought is the Y-Wing is going to be making nice easy green maneuvers in behind the ion'd target. Unlikely, true, but it sure would be nice to watch a Y-Wing "escort" a Phantom right off the board.

As hard as it'll be to hit the phantom in the first place with this, once you get an R1-R2 shot it gets double stressed, cloaked or not. Anyone who's ever jammed a Phantom with a GR-75 knows how much they looooove that.

This is actually a solid combo. The Y-wing dial is actually very forgiving of stress as its only Red you really would use is the K-Turn. If you don't mind losing your action (and you shouldn't), this can be very effective. Try it on Horton for that nice reroll blanks.

Edited by Englishpete

This is actually a solid combo. The Y-wing dial is actually very forgiving of stress as its only Red is the K-Turn. If you don't mind losing your action (and you shouldn't), this can be very effective.

Losing the action is part of the idea. The Y-Wing will never get any actions after the first round of shooting. Anything it attacks won't get an action next round either. Or the next two rounds if the ion cannon hits. The Y-Wing does not care about stress removal and green maneuvers. Fly white to get a shot.

Edited by dvor

I corrected my statement on the Y-wings Red maneuvers. The only one you may use is the K-turn, in this combo the important 1's and 2's are green or white.

I don't look to make kills with this combo, I look to set up easy kills for my other ships. Wedge loves this kind of support, as quite frankly, does a Fat Han.

The new Dash Rendar will benefit as well.

Edited by Englishpete

I've been thinking about this super stressbot. It's got potential. I have thoughts of it on a grey or gold along with garven and dutch for support. Then your stressing y wing will still get focus tokens and even TL's if they aren't needed elsewhere. Maybe with a kyle and jan hwk for added survivability/token shenannigans.

Something to consider...... Salm still gets his rerolls, even while stressed. A GSP with Wingman may also help with this.

Edited by Audio Weasel

and Salm moves late in the phase so may get better angles...

Anyone else see it?

Edit: okay more like a quarter of your movements, but still! Lol

Edited by Cptnhalfbeard

Considering that last night I was crazy enough to try running one named Defender with a pair of Storm Squadron Pilots packing Proton Rockets and Stealth Devices....... yeah, I'm crazy enough to try to make this work

Anyone else see it?

Yeah a lot of people saw it, no one mentioned it because it's not that great (IMO). Double stressing a y-wing that doesn't have a turret is a terrrrrrible idea. You can kiss your actions and a third of your movements goodbye for a while. And if you actually do greens to clear the stress, no chance you're getting a shot off, I'm not going to be dumb enough to stay in front of it.

Edit: okay more like a quarter of your movements, but still! Lol

I am sure the idea is that you don't have a choice once you are ioned

I'm not going to be dumb enough to stay in front of it.

Horton with R3-A2 and a Ion.

If he lands a range 2 ion shot, you don't get a choice in the matter. He'll easily stay behind you and get to reroll all blanks for both attacks. You'll be ionzed and stressed, so you can't clear the the stress.

Neither side can clear the stress. That's the idea.

I'm considering pairing this Y-Wing up with a standard ion turret Y-Wing, who can take over the duties of ionising the first victim whilst this Y-Wing then turns onto a 2nd target. Between the 2 you can shut down 2 targets that depend on being able to take actions or maneuver, leaving you with the rest of your team to take apart the rest of the opposing force

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Anyone else see it?

Personally I think it's worth losing your focus action for a certain double stress and possible ion to boot.

I must be the only person who finds a way to put R3 A2 into all of his lists anyway. I wouldn't put it on a Y-wing unless you have another way to ditch stress though.

Pretty much. Now while I do like R3-A2 I usually only use it with Ion Cannon Turret if on a Y-wing. If I land a shot then I know I will green 1 and loose the stress. With Y-wings only having 2 green maneuvers I would best avoid double stress tokens even if it is to double stress another ship.

Double stress? are you using Flechette + Failsafe in this list as well?

Double stress? are you using Flechette + Failsafe in this list as well?

That would get you triple stress and maybe an ion.

Edit: Errr. Primary weapon. Nevermind.

Run it with some Wingman A-wings?

It is not possible to get a 3rd stress with BTL-A4. The thing is that the title states after a "primary attack" flechete torpedoes are not primary attacks. Also the secondary attack must come from a turret upgrade card.

When I run stressbot on VI Wes, I generally do not care about actions for him anyway. Horton with Ion and stressbot will be awesome until you face someone who took VI. PS does matter against ACD considering you are trying to block the recloak and the following decloak in the next turn's activation. Yet another reason why Horton should have an EPT IMO.

I think it will be solid. With wave 5 being released soon, I think there will be a shift toward fewer ships, like 3 or 2 ship builds. In an environment like that, I think that at 25pts, effectively shutting down a TON of combos of a 50pt ship (while have a decent chance at doing damage at the same time) is totally worth it. Lets think about the options.

Tie Swarm: well, kinda sucks vs that build, but at least you could slow down howlrunner :P Also, remember that there is often a lot of bumping and blocking going on, so you don't really care about having a stressed ship if it keeps getting blocked.

Phantoms: you have effective created a no-fly zone wherever your YW is. Double stress means death to a Whisper or Echo. landing an ion hit is even better. Also, all you have to do is get them in arc once, who cares if its a primary 2 red vs 5 green. Because next turn you can probably anticipate their move, it will now be 2 red vs 2 green, no modifiers for either player.

Fat Han: no actions means no boosts. He can't really get away, and with 1 agi those double shots will do some damage. Plus Han can't kill a YW that fast, so you could see a 4 stress or 6 stress Han. Yes, stuff like 3CP0 and R2D2 still work, but with no actions, it can't get that 3rd evade (falcon title) or buff its shots effectively. Besides, Han is 60+ pts, and you're 25pt is really messing him up.

Fast Dash: although Kyle helps against this, you shut down the hyper mobility. I would laugh if someone with Dash forgets they are double stressed and intentionally lands on an asteroid expecting to boost/BR off it :P

Decimators: there are some nice tools they have with experimental interface/isard/dauntless. Double stress shuts all that down as well. They are more reliant on actions then say a falcon. Plus, 5 unmod red vs 0 green ain't that bad of a shot.

PTL interceptors: need I say more? Watch soontir get to 3 auto stress and then cry. Just don't try and kill him on that shot, since he will be stacking focus tokens that turn like a HWK.

Its also pretty nice against BWs and YWs. 3 unmod red have a pretty decent shot at landing a hit vs 1 green. Anyone that flies B's against ions of any sort does have to seriously worry.

I think the big thing to remember is it is GUARANTEED to work. So I would keep using that soontir 2-turn, and keep chipping away. Yes, you have 5 red that are unmodified, but your opponent's greed AND red are mostly unmodified too (bar say Pred). This make's the YW a very serious threat, which will take heat off other aggro magnets in your list.

Edited by Texx

This was a good combo before the BTL-A4 upgrade, now it's amazing. The Y-wing dial is really not that bad. You only need your one speed maneuvers and the 2 turn.

For the Y-wng actions aren't that important, chuck dice hope for the best, double stress them, profit.

Also it is a massive threat that your opponent needs to deal with immediately, but it also does not die that fast and it is relatively cheap to boot for the amount of control it adds to a list.