The passive aggressive comments on how people are bad because they don't take the game "the right way".

But in tournaments you don't choose your opponent, and you can (by your attitude) see that you are not really into competition, so it is not about your opponent's being wrong, than you having the wrong expectations on how a tournament should be. And it is really sad, that you put the burden on your opponents, as they should just play the way you want them to, instead of just realizing that you are the problem.

And the 40k reference. 40k is not intended to be competitive, it receives ZERO support for competitive play from GW, and the game has been a complete balance wreck since long time ago. Yet here you are, talking how the game is directed at the tournament scene, when it's the oppossite.

If there is anything i see coming from 40k players (sorry for the generalization) into this, is the same bashing attitude toward players that play the game in unexpected ways for them (those dirty cheesy tournament players, how dare they).

My sincere apologies to all. My big concern was that this sets precedence for beardy play and poor behavior by players. Again, completely my fault for having any concern to protect the integrity of the game. My concern is 100% genuine and I would like to see the good sportsmanship I have seen displayed in the local tournaments up through regionals (the highest I have played were regional finals) continue. The worse I have seen were a few borderline stallers trying to run the time out.

40K not intended to be competitive? Really, you just start gaming in the last few years? No, it originally never had any competitive elements to the game. But it certainly evolved into competitive play which ruined the game and introduced the most beardy players and those with poor a-hole attitudes to ever walk the Earth. It is only the last few years in which (I have heard) they stopped the large tournaments. That's good but the game is still ruined and I haven't touched in about 10 years. But there are still large 40K tournaments held, it has not evaporated.

We do indeed look at these circumstances through different facets. You believe I am trying to force players into a style of play while I believe others are of low moral character to endorse play which bend the rules to be used as they were not intended or in the spirit of the game.

Now many here are flaming be as a pariah but your demeanors of play and sportsmanship are not widely held beyond your realm of cards and a few other games de jour. Display any of the behaviors you are all endorsing here in most historical venues and you will find yourself the one being ostracized. Oh, my non-competitive butt just took 2nd in a Saga tournament at a convention last weekend.

I guess it is the beat of different drums. Oh well...

My big concern was that this sets precedence for beardy play and poor behavior by players.

No it's not. It's nothing more than your passive aggressive desire to make everyone else play the way you see fit. Everyone can see it, so don't bother pretending otherwise.

You have declared yourself the authority on the Spirit of the Game, and how the game is meant to play, and you will not abide any deviance from that, despite all evidence provided to refute your claims.

@DoubleNot7

I said "supported by GW". Do you see any large tournament hosted by GW ? Any kind of competitive circuit hosted by GW ? No, they are hosted by community which still want to play it competitively. That's pretty different than what FFG is doing here, and that's why we actually get FAQs and competitive rules, etc etc etc...

And GW tournaments... no, not since the 'ard boyz days (Throne of skulls was a joke from a competitive way to look at it, while it was a great social event to get games for more casual players, nothing wrong with it, but it certainly wasn't made to please competitive players). But sure, neckbeard, idiots, pricks, all of them are out there to get you and destroy the holy spirit of the game if we don't raise our pitchforks against them. I heard insulting them are ussually the best way to prevent them from getting into the game and their poor behaviour.

Here is the problem, you don't come to accept that for some people, auto bumping their own ships to control their movement speed is a game feature, even if it happened to be unintended (dunno about this, i doubt a game dev was that naive), which makes more good than wrong. Instead, those people are in your mind complete jerks.

Instead of understand that it is just a different mindset and approach towards the game (being more gamey than fluffy is not inherently wrong), you are just adjetivizing it as wrong behaviour and poor sportmanship, while, i will speak for myself in this, i find it adds more depth to the game which i enjoy playing as a game and not as some sort of way to recreate star wars warfare. It's different tastes, and if you come dismissive about it, you will get responses in the same fashion, so don't victimize yourself.

Instead of understand that it is just a different mindset and approach towards the game (being more gamey than fluffy is not inherently wrong)...

My issues is when people try to make it a moral issue, that somehow playing RAW and not Fluffy, you're a bad person who's only interest is driving people out of the game. That each victory is only half as fun as driving newbies out of the game completely because you crushed them...

It's pure BS, because no one really thinks like that. If anything it's people who make those claims that are the true poor sport.

Also the venue has to be taken into consideration. The attitude people have playing at worlds, especially the single elimination set of games, is going to be quite different than those same people have when playing a game at their LGS on Friday night.

Have fun guys. Thank you for some of the more sane responses.

@doublenot 7

First there is no passive aggressive thing here. I am stating it directly, no one has the right to judge a player for doing something that is not illegal gamewise.What's more annoying are people trying to impose a certain personal standard in a game where there shouldn't be one lest of all just another gamer of equal footing. I've been there done that in other games with multiple armies in different settings and I respect people who think outside of the box to improve his chances when facing a list that he is obviously handicapped. Read up on what happened and get your facts straight before you react. Do you honestly think people would care if you declare that you think using such legit strategies is not in spirit of the game? I am all for this fly casual yadda yadda but I am also all for people who bring it to tournaments. People enjoy the game differently so why impose? There are people who play to win and they are happy only when they are winning, there are those who enjoy just playing and then there are those rare few in betweens that do both.

Across the different miniature boards there will always be that guy who imposes their standards on how the game should be played. Some are even proud of handicapping themselves just to prove a point that playing the game without considering the fluff or flavor is bad form and every once in a while one of "the guys" realize that in the end everyone who plays the game is still playing the game simply because they want to. Plain and simple they want to. As long as they aint cheating or breaking I don't see the problem.

Only time i've really 'handicapped' myself in games is when i used to play Imperial Guard in 40k 2nd and 3rd editions, they were pretty weak for ages and i felt that if i could win playing guard i'd really deserved that win.

On the flipside my blood angel army took little or no thought to win with.. if i got into contact with a unit i rolled through their army like a hot knife through butter so they became very boring to play.

I personally only take army lists that fit the lore/mythos (fluff if you must) of the universe but i've never seen that as being a 'holier than thou' aspect or a hanidcap, i just play games to tell stories and to me a story in which lets say Han Solo fights Han Solo makes little sense to me, so if i take mainly generic of less popular pilots I usually get a more 'narrative' game... even if that narrative ends up being 'same faction' match ups (which i try to avoid by mutual consent).

I dont think playing within the universe's mythos and putting a competetive list together are mutually exclusive.

Its not 'liked' but if you think about it han solo flying the falcon, with luke and 3po as crew, MF title and engine upgrade is about as 'fluffy' as you can get as its what the death star escape was done in!

My 40k Space Marine army was very fluffy, it was 3 platoons of Space Marines with support. Not 2 teams of scouts for the required 2 troops then Terminators with Landraiders doing all the real work.

Sadly in 5th edition this meant I seldom did well, because the standard Space Marine wasn't really that good.

That's something I like about X-Wing, a fluffy list, can actually do quite well.

Have fun guys. Thank you for some of the more sane responses.

No! Good day to YOU, sir!

Some people just can't help themselves.

Seriously DoubleNot7 - stop thinking you are the lone voice in the wilderness considering the integrity of the game.

Watch the interview with Alex Davy. As I said before, I promise you the guy with FFG's name on his paycheck cares as much or more about the future of this game than any tournament or casual player. Just do it. You'll feel better.

If FFG decides it's a problem, or has the potential to become one, they'll do something to fix it.

If they do not think it's a problem, nor has the imminent potential to become one, they'll leave it be but undoubtedly keep a close eye on it to make sure nothing comes of it.

And if they do nothing, and a month, six months, a year down the road it comes back up and becomes a big problem, they'll do something about it then.

Everyone should try and take a deep, calming breath in the meantime.

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