But it was an argument

I like to play these extensions with thematic deck, so i will try these scenarios with just Legolas/Gimli/Aragorn.

The starting threat is low (secret deck ? ) and the heroes are strong.

And i can play Celebrian stone, sword that was broken and ring of barahir on new Aragorn (if new Legolas or Gimli is leadership).

That's certainly your right to do so... but it will be an optional way of playing that you are self imposing, not a rule

(and, based on the new versions of Legolas and Gimli- it could be a ton of fun!)

The discussion above was implying that because the text from the One Ring that forces the hero to be passed and doesn't count towards the hero limit wasn't present, Aragorn might somehow count towards your hero limit. I posit that that is silly, and will absolutely not be the case. The hobbit does the same thing!

Completely forgot about the Hobbit Saga boxes!!!!!

There is no ring in them but Bilbo doesn't count towards your hero limit, good call.

Anyone else out there who doesn't like the art of the fellowship Aragorn card? I think the leadership and lore art looks very good but that new card... He looks kind of arrogant and skinny...

I wouldn't say it's bad, it's just drawn in another style. Other vision of Aragorn by a different artist.

Man that spoiled card Helm! Helm! is good.

Discarding a rohan ally like horse breeder to discard a non-unique foe!

And it's in the spirit sphere, not tactics....so strong.

There are quite a few non-unique enemies out there who ain't no push overs.

This card rocks.

The only thing that bugs me about it is that it costs 2, it requires exhaustion in addition to discardement and it forces you to wait until all enemies attack. Too much "if"s.

It would be way OP if not.

That's the biggest if right there.

Horse breeder is the perfect candidate.

She did her horse thing, and now she's useful again with this card.

It's not cheap indeed, but it's in spirit, not tactics.

That's a big difference imo.

Dude. You need to have a Rohan expendable ready, you need to make it through all enemies attacks (that's when usually Rohan expendables leave play) and you need 2 resources afterwards, and the enemy must be non-unique. And don't forget there could be only 3 horsebreeders in your deck. What if you don't happen to draw any? Spirit is not that big on drawing cards. With only 1 cheap spirit rohan to sacrifice, this card is pretty medicore and could be easily rid of one of it's restraints without becoming OP. That's unless they add some more fitting cheap rohans in the Treason of Saruman. We'll see.

We will see indeed.

For now, let's agree to disagree.

I like that Rohan's getting stuff kind of here and there. Not everything needs to come in a neat package. It's already an established trait so it can afford to be gradually steered in different directions

I'll gladly pay 2 resources and hold back a lowly Snowbourn Scout to get rid of one of these guys:

Just imagine how many resources and allies you'll have to sacrifice if you don't have something like Helm! Helm! around!

Lol, I was just looking to see if Mumak and Mumak Elite were unique or something. The card validates it's existence helping take care of those two cards, and Rohan has tons of throwaway allies. Definitely powerful.

Yeah. Once in a while you'll get rid of Mumak. All other times you'll sit with a dead card in your hand.

There's enough non-unique enemies who are very powerful and worth the setup it takes to use the card. Whatever, to each his own.

There are number of enemies I would pay 2 resources to remove, especially if i'm using a deck that lacking in the combat department or playing nightmare mode.

Some of the other non unique enemies that come to mind:

Boar clan stalker (oh... just noticed that it has a +4 limit... missed this when playing... +7/8 was much more fun!)

Many different types of Trolls

Black Rider's, Rider of Mordor's, Fell Rider's, Ringwraith's

Unspeakable & Primeval things oh and tunneling nameless things

Patrol Leader/Thrashing Tentacle- enemies that have when attacked or when damaged forced effects

Enemies that get a shadow card stating they cant take damage for the rest of the round

Enemies like Morgul Body guard that soak up damage intended for another.

Another reason that I like this card is having a sure fire way of sacrificing Edmond

Questions:

1) Are Ungoliant's Spawn and Nazgûl of Dol Guldur unique... they don't appear to be, if not then this card would cheapen these quests some what.

2) Would the discarding bit avoid Crazed Captives forced effect? (Forced: if Crazed Captive is defeated, raise each players threat by 7).

1. They're not unique, so they can be discarded: I guess it cheapens it if you feel it does, but those were both core set enemies, so they couldn't realistically have planned for every scenario future player cards would set up.

2. I asked Caleb since I couldn't find it anywhere in the rule book making clear definitions of the two terms, but destroying and discarding are different. Destroying only occurs when you place enough damage on an enemy to match its health. So discarding Crazes Captive would avoid the threat increase.

1. They're not unique, so they can be discarded: I guess it cheapens it if you feel it does, but those were both core set enemies, so they couldn't realistically have planned for every scenario future player cards would set up.

2. I asked Caleb since I couldn't find it anywhere in the rule book making clear definitions of the two terms, but destroying and discarding are different. Destroying only occurs when you place enough damage on an enemy to match its health. So discarding Crazes Captive would avoid the threat increase.

Thanks Chris51261.

Cheapens probably has the wrong connotation... could make defeating these enemies extremely easy and potentially unsatisfying... alternately if blitzing the quests or being able to use different heroes/ lower combat decks is the goal then awesome... both enemies are a discarded Rohan character away

I get what you mean. I don't think in future packs or any packs lately it would be an issue though, most boss enemies are unique and some of them are immune to player card effects altogether! You can still get rid of some nasty stuff though, as you mentioned earlier.

I wish bosses were protcted from different instant killing effect without nullifying the lesses, non-gamechanging effectsm like defense reduction and stuff.

Yeah, I've always kinda hated how it seems the only option they have to make an enemy truly difficult to defeat is to make the battle completely one dimentional. "Can you attack for enough to destroy this guy?" No opportunity to be tricky with your events or use your characters abilities, or utilize attatchments. Completely understand why they do it though I suppose.

As of yesterday, Treason of Saruman is "At The Printers". Looks like we could get it before Lost Realm.

I wouldn't be surprised actually.

Me either. I think they're trying to push 2 sagas per year now since there is so much hype for them and people don't want to wait so long to finish the stories.

Yes!! I'm probably more excited for the Lost Realm but who cares, this box will be awesome too!!