Honestly, I don't understand. If some Jerk is yelling things out in the street, I just ignore him. If a friend is being an ******* I walk away.

Why is it that online makes such a difference?

There are sh*tty people everywhere. Why don't we just ignore them?

Also is there an ignore function in these forums?

Yes there is.

If you go to your profile page by clicking on your name up top.

Then click on Edit Profile.

On the left side of the page is a link to the ignore options.

As to why? I don't know, but it's a common thing to see on any internet form. People just can't seem to stop themselves.

I especially wonder about people who post "don't feed the trolls" type posts. All you're doing at point is bumping the thread back to the top of the page. If you don't like what a post has to say or think it's a troll... Just ignore it, this place moves fast and in a hour or so it's going to be on page two.

Maybe the community is just trying to be more inclusive towards.......

OK ok I'll shut up

Honestly I don't think parodying the inclusive threads is trolling, it's showing a deep level of exasperation.

Honestly I don't think parodying the inclusive threads is trolling, it's showing a deep level of exasperation.

Parodying something when a few people are trying to have a mature discussion is rather immature. Especially where tone cannot be easily read.

Honestly I don't think parodying the inclusive threads is trolling, it's showing a deep level of exasperation.

Parodying something when a few people are trying to have a mature discussion is rather immature. Especially where tone cannot be easily read.

And yet other people would argue that the entire thread is immature in that people are even recognizing gender differences.

All a matter of perspective I suppose...

You don't like the topic, that's fine. There are plenty of topics I don't like in the forum, and I stay out of them and don't try to mock those that like them.

You don't like the topic, that's fine. There are plenty of topics I don't like in the forum, and I stay out of them and don't try to mock those that like them.

I did.

Nevertheless it can be mocked as it's the third attempt at the same non-xwing related, divisive thread. I'd even argue that the thread itself is trolling for the above reasons.

I see no reason not to mock it (even though i did not create any of those threads - i made a point not to follow it, and got out after my 2nd post).

This is nothing valuable except another example of the problem.

Honestly I don't think parodying the inclusive threads is trolling, it's showing a deep level of exasperation.

Parodying something when a few people are trying to have a mature discussion is rather immature. Especially where tone cannot be easily read.

I see. But implicity accusing complete strangers and a gaming company of having anti-woman stances and actions, as if the very concept "Correlation does not equal causation" is nonexistant, is the pinnacle of maturity?

Parodying things you find ridiculous or even insulting is one of the basic tenants of satire. Is satire as a concept immature, then?

Actually since most of us are adults, pushing toys around a table, are we the best gatekeepers of what qualifies as "mature" or "immature"?

It's a forum for a leisure time activity. Expecting all debate and topics to be serious and on topic is an exercise in futility.

If my opinion is offensive to you, feel free to add me to your ignore list.

Honestly, I don't understand. If some Jerk is yelling things out in the street, I just ignore him. If a friend is being an ******* I walk away.

Why is it that online makes such a difference?

There are sh*tty people everywhere. Why don't we just ignore them?

Also is there an ignore function in these forums?

There's the anger factor; sometimes you'll see someone has typed something, you get pissed off, and respond, and then blammo. Some people troll because they enjoy it. Some people aren't trolling, but get labelled as trolls for disagreeing with something that everyone else slavishly believes in. Depends on where you are or what you're writing, really. Some people are assholes just to be assholes, though, and it's best to just ignore them, hard as it may be.

When I see crap behavior I call it out just about anywhere I am. That is how we make society better. When someone is a jerk silence reinforces their jerkiness. Trekking sometime their regressive attitudes are bigoted and wrong is not feeding trolls. It is pushing for a better community.

If you are someone who sees all conflict as bad that will probably make you uncomfortable. Imagine how uncomfortable it is for the targets of the harassment when no one calls or out.

Don't feed the trolls is bad advice. Our lets then set the tone of the online place. Which hinders inclusion of minority voices.

This is nothing valuable except another example of the problem.

Unfortunately there is no solution to "people are assholes". Not only is it a subjective evaluation, we also have the right to be assholes thanks to the first amendment.

I don't think there is a problem with a thread about trying to be more inclusive. Once you start that thread though expect assholes to flock to it. The best solution at that point though is to not engage them. Just ignore them and work with the positive people to find solutions.

If everyone ignores them, then they really can't do anything to hurt you. If you engage them, you aren't going to change their mind, no matter how agressive or righteous you get. You are just giving them what they want, and giving yourself a headache.

When I see crap behavior I call it out just about anywhere I am. That is how we make society better. When someone is a jerk silence reinforces their jerkiness. Trekking sometime their regressive attitudes are bigoted and wrong is not feeding trolls. It is pushing for a better community.

If you are someone who sees all conflict as bad that will probably make you uncomfortable. Imagine how uncomfortable it is for the targets of the harassment when no one calls or out.

Don't feed the trolls is bad advice. Our lets then set the tone of the online place. Which hinders inclusion of minority voices.

You aren't going to change a trolls actions by verbaly sparring with them. It is a waste of your keyboard's life. If you really want to help people deal with them, post the procedure for setting the ignore button so that other people know how to do it.

This isn't 'the real world'. In the real world you can probably shame people in to behaving. In anonymous online forums, it just isn't going to work. You can't shame them regardless of how outspoken you are.

Don't feed the trolls is bad advice.

You do not know what a troll on internet truly is, right ?

And well, it is interesting that people call assholes, other people for using satire against other people who ignored several thread lockeds HINTING that the discussion wasn't worth having, and would likely stirr up crap, and still ignored them, and created a new thread after another.

Ben,

You ate at a pretty serious low when the best defense you can give of something is, "well it is not illegal".

Also not everyone here is an American.

Also telling the jerk they are wrong died two things. It reinforces that their behavior is or of line with societal values which does curb crap behavior. It also geeks the silent reader that the jerk is not supported by the community. Which helps.

I'm mobile but if you want a good look at the psychology and sociology behind it you can read The Athoritarians online for free.

This is nothing valuable except another example of the problem.

Unfortunately there is no solution to "people are assholes". Not only is it a subjective evaluation, we also have the right to be assholes thanks to the first amendment.

I don't think there is a problem with a thread about trying to be more inclusive. Once you start that thread though expect assholes to flock to it. The best solution at that point though is to not engage them. Just ignore them and work with the positive people to find solutions.

If everyone ignores them, then they really can't do anything to hurt you. If you engage them, you aren't going to change their mind, no matter how agressive or righteous you get. You are just giving them what they want, and giving yourself a headache.

To a certain extent I agree with you; the harder you fight the louder they get.

That said, going about our lives and ignoring things does not solve anything. Change is aggressive by nature. Even a peaceful demonstration is aggressive compared to complacency.

I'm not on some crusade and hardly have the time to check a computer or make a YouTube video, let alone wage war on male privilege, but when I have a moment I will chime in here and there because remaining silent is how things like gamergate happen. Things boil over after being quiet for so long.

Frankly, decent people see the problem and we sort of preach to our own choir. The guys who don't get it won't be getting it anytime soon and we can all point them out and be done with it. I still think calling them on their BS is important.

As a final note - I'm not really talking about notorious trolls. I think the problem is actually the passive participants to these threads who cannot even recognize the points properly and engage in meaningful discussion. They cause hurt with their refusal to see and recognize reality and don't absorb any information so nothing can be done to fix it. They flood this forum and all others and are the major reason life isn't as good as it could be in most categories. If you're wondering if I'm talking about you, think to yourself "Have I said something dismissive like 'There's no gender inequality in x-wing' or 'reverse sexism'" and then pat yourself on the back: you ARE the problem.

I have to get back to work but I well say quickly that my views are backed by the results of research. I recognize they fly in the face of 'common wisdom'read the book I mentioned previously.

Also this is real life. The idea that this isn't real is silly. We may not be face to face but we are communicating through a shared medium. Words here can hurt just as much as anywhere else.

But what if you don't believe that there is any gender inequality in X-wing?

The gaming community, society. Sure. Guys play more, we all acknowledge this. But as a game in itself. Yeah, there is no inequality.

I'm not going to try and fix geek culture in this forum. That's going to require a global getting over of gender.

Honestly I don't think parodying the inclusive threads is trolling, it's showing a deep level of exasperation.

Parodying something when a few people are trying to have a mature discussion is rather immature. Especially where tone cannot be easily read.

I see. But implicity accusing complete strangers and a gaming company of having anti-woman stances and actions, as if the very concept "Correlation does not equal causation" is nonexistant, is the pinnacle of maturity?

Implicitly accusing?! Wow, that must have been implicit in a very bizarre way, as my OP in that thread explicitly praised both the community and FFG for their inclusive orientation.

Implicitly accusing?! Wow, that must have been implicit in a very bizarre way, as my OP in that thread explicitly praised both the community and FFG for their inclusive orientation.

Couple of posts above you:

Frankly, decent people see the problem and we sort of preach to our own choir. The guys who don't get it won't be getting it anytime soon and we can all point them out and be done with it. I still think calling them on their BS is important.

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As a final note - I'm not really talking about notorious trolls. I think the problem is actually the passive participants to these threads who cannot even recognize the points properly and engage in meaningful discussion. They cause hurt with their refusal to see and recognize reality and don't absorb any information so nothing can be done to fix it. They flood this forum and all others and are the major reason life isn't as good as it could be in most categories. If you're wondering if I'm talking about you, think to yourself "Have I said something dismissive like 'There's no gender inequality in x-wing' or 'reverse sexism'" and then pat yourself on the back: you ARE the problem.

If you do not agree, you are by definition apparently talking BS and are part of the problem. And that topic is filled with this sort of nonsense from both sides. This has nothing to do with a healthy discussion. A discussion is not a soap box where you shout your opinion from, ignoring the responses. Funny also how it talks about

 the passive participants to these threads who cannot even recognize the points properly and engage in meaningful discussion.

While responding to the inclusive thread while admitting not actually reading it and not answering your questions and behaving like there is only 1 right view.

Ben,

You ate at a pretty serious low when the best defense you can give of something is, "well it is not illegal".

Also not everyone here is an American.

Also telling the jerk they are wrong died two things. It reinforces that their behavior is or of line with societal values which does curb crap behavior. It also geeks the silent reader that the jerk is not supported by the community. Which helps.

I'm mobile but if you want a good look at the psychology and sociology behind it you can read The Athoritarians online for free.

In no way am I defending their actions as moral or just or good. My point was that unfortunately there is a culture in the US that allows it.

I beleive that completely ignoring them does a better job at isolating their behavior than confronting them agressively. I understand your point about pointing out to others how irresponsible and wrong trolls are for their beahvior though.

Maybe an approach would be to adress the readers of the post directly and not the troll. maybe lead off with:

To those of you reading this post, here are the reasons why this type of behavior is undesirable: Point A. Point B. etc.

Then you are accomplishing your goal of awareness without directly talking to the troll. You are then basically ignoring them, but explaining why the message they are advancing is negative.

Honestly I don't think parodying the inclusive threads is trolling, it's showing a deep level of exasperation.

Parodying something when a few people are trying to have a mature discussion is rather immature. Especially where tone cannot be easily read.

I see. But implicity accusing complete strangers and a gaming company of having anti-woman stances and actions, as if the very concept "Correlation does not equal causation" is nonexistant, is the pinnacle of maturity?

Implicitly accusing?! Wow, that must have been implicit in a very bizarre way, as my OP in that thread explicitly praised both the community and FFG for their inclusive orientation.

And yet your thread title asks what we can do to be more gender inclusive, does it not? That implicitly means that there's something we as a community or FFG is not doing. That's implicit in the pretty normal non-bizarre way, actually.

Or was that not what you meant by the thread title?

So just to be clear,

You're done here.

I'm gonna go unfollow this - the 4th gender inequality topic now.

Guys. I stay with my previous comments.

Gender is not an issue, and the sooner everyone gets over it the sooner we can move on. FFG's done good making sure that there are male and female characters - as Mikael pointed out. The only issues are part of a winder Gender imbalanced geek culture which is slowly improving but still has huge issues, and a lot of that is due to global culture, 100% of which can be solved by everyone getting over gender differences.