I've come around to the K-wing. A little FFG magic, and it will fit right in. I also think there could be some interesting ways to interpret it into the game. Along with the T-wing and R-41, the H-wing looks like it would be interesting as well. And then there are the larger ships, like the YT-2000, the Raven's Claw, and the Pulsar Skate. The Lady Luck/Jade's Fire might be a bit on the big side.

So, at least 10 more possible ships? Depending on how deep FFG goes into the lore (they do dumpster dive). That's good for a few more years.

See again the h wing is just another turret ship, if one faction Has all the turret ships that creates imbalance it's bad enough already interceptor fans can't run the lists they'd like too.

Then ffg has to release an upgrade to help against turrets which makes them weaker then you end up with turret ships everyone owns but never flies.

It's a dog fighting game flooding it with turrets makes a huge part of the game invalid, good manoeuvring should always be important for every side, when there are so many turrets there's no point doing anything but pointing your ship head on .

YT-2000 "Otana" for the Rebels.

XG-1 "Star Wing" Assault Gunboat & TIE Avenger for the Imperials

Jumpmaster 2000, Cloakshape & Preybird Starfighters for Scum.

It's a dog fighting game flooding it with turrets makes a huge part of the game invalid, good manoeuvring should always be important for every side, when there are so many turrets there's no point doing anything but pointing your ship head on .

Depends, but I tend to disagree. If we saw a huge influx of turrets on sub 20 point ships, your point would be 100% correct. But (aside from the HWK and Y-Wing, both of which require upgrades and neither of which are tearing up the meta), turrets are mainly confined to much more expensive ships. Named YT's/Decimators run into 40-50+ points. When a single ship takes up half of your force or more, it's hardly making "a huge part of the game invalid".

The K-wing isn't that much further than the E-wing. The big issue with Rebels, is that a lot of their potential ships are freighters like the Falcon or Outrider.

Actually it is 7 years further, waay out of the time frame (19 ABY)

The K-wing isn't that much further than the E-wing. The big issue with Rebels, is that a lot of their potential ships are freighters like the Falcon or Outrider.

Actually it is 7 years further, waay out of the time frame (19 ABY)

And one of those E-wing pilots is from that same time period. I think we are still good timeline wise.

It's a dog fighting game flooding it with turrets makes a huge part of the game invalid, good manoeuvring should always be important for every side, when there are so many turrets there's no point doing anything but pointing your ship head on .

At some point, people are going to have to accept that turrets are part of the game. We are going to get more ships with Turret primaries. We are going to get more ships with the Turret upgrade. And, I think there is some good design space in there. Just look at the Outrider.

And where do they all end up? having one faction with 90% of the turret ships is an issue, if they were more evenly spread it would be a non issue but they are all going to the rebels.

Yes, the Empire hardly has any turrets. Thats why they had to release the Decimator, which is a very weird ship, but has a turret and is clearly imperial. The other cases I could think of are Guri's ship (which would be more S&V) and some big transports like the ATR-6. In some places the Senitnel Landing Craft has a turret on top... but there arent more Imperial ships with turrets (that I can think of)

Let's go, YT-2000! Finish out the family!

Assault Gunboat, TIE Avenger, Missile boat (#$%^ it, the E-wings in)

The Rebel POB ship from Galaxies the R-41 Escort shuttles. the Delta class transport and sentinel shuttle.

Rebels get way less starfighter types than imperial, so they'd prolly need a rebel aces 2, with EPT Y-wings.

If I had to guess, I would say that the rebels have a couple of options;

A "stealth" X-Wing re-print (I still find it suspicious the ACD doesn't mention imperial only)

R-41 (most referenced of the ships we haven't seen)

YT-2000 (Otana is definitely a contender)

The Imperials will most likely see;

Assault Gunboat

Skipray Blastboat

TIE Avenger

Scum and Villainy have a ton of options;

Hound's Tooth

Punishing One

Ghtroc Freighter

Kazellis Freighter

G1-M4 Dunelizard

Hutt Space Yacht

HH-87 Starhopper

If I had to guess, I would say that the rebels have a couple of options;

A "stealth" X-Wing re-print (I still find it suspicious the ACD doesn't mention imperial only)

R-41 (most referenced of the ships we haven't seen)

YT-2000 (Otana is definitely a contender)

The Imperials will most likely see;

Assault Gunboat

Skipray Blastboat

TIE Avenger

Scum and Villainy have a ton of options;

Hound's Tooth

Punishing One

Ghtroc Freighter

Kazellis Freighter

G1-M4 Dunelizard

Hutt Space Yacht

HH-87 Starhopper

You forgot the Krayt gunship& Kimogilla, from the hutt line.

And all the unpronouncable black sun ships.

Acd says tie phantom only so it does not need to specify imperial only.

Stealth x do not cloak so it also could not activate the stygion mod as you need the cloak action on your bar.

One thing I WOULD like to see (although itisliterally bottom priority at themoment, I'd imagine) is an X-Wing with the s-foils closed.

Like I said, not a priority in any way shape or form, but I'd love it as a variant.

K-wing... that is about as "fugly" as you can get (IMO). I have looked at the fluff on this ship on Wookieepedia and, as has already been said, unless you make that turbolaser turret somehow different, you will just have another Rebel turret fighter... ...Only uglier! I would much prefer a YT-2000 (aka "Otana") for the Rebs. For the Imps, there is no doubt that my preference would be...1. GAT-12 Skipray Blast Boat- gives Imps a large ship with turret and cannon options2. XG-1 Starwing Assault Gunboat- possibly some sort of multi-ordnance attack ability

You might find it ugly but to me its beautiful!

As for the turret, just call it range 2-3 primary, so now it's something a bit different from the YT?'s and decimater.

Now put it on a wide base (rather than small or large) now we have something that will fly different from everything that has so far been released.

Win win

New ship, new mechanics.

K-wing... that is about as "fugly" as you can get (IMO). I have looked at the fluff on this ship on Wookieepedia and, as has already been said, unless you make that turbolaser turret somehow different, you will just have another Rebel turret fighter... ...Only uglier! I would much prefer a YT-2000 (aka "Otana") for the Rebs. For the Imps, there is no doubt that my preference would be...1. GAT-12 Skipray Blast Boat- gives Imps a large ship with turret and cannon options2. XG-1 Starwing Assault Gunboat- possibly some sort of multi-ordnance attack ability

You might find it ugly but to me its beautiful!

As for the turret, just call it range 2-3 primary, so now it's something a bit different from the YT?'s and decimater.

Now put it on a wide base (rather than small or large) now we have something that will fly different from everything that has so far been released.

Win win

New ship, new mechanics.

I was all for the wide and long ship ideas. I floated it awhile back as its own thread and the biggest complaint was "my ships wouldn't match" or "I don't like it, keep it the same", even though I think it's a great idea for opening design space (just sad that the hwk already was made and not "long").

Tie hunter/clawcraft would give the empire an Xwing without shields. Where that fits points wise is weird since it would be an anti-interceptor.

Tie Predator just looks cool. Very tie. Probably more of an Ewing vibe. It would be a great candidate for the S-loop too.

Tie droid, likewise, very cool, very tie. I'd like to see them make it a large ship with 3-4 small tie droids mounted on it. Give you a real tie swarm feel. Could even start with 4 firepower and lose it as it loses HP. Other droid options include IG-88 style linkage, much greener dial, white kturns, no stress, ignore all other pilot talents (keep them from just being the next academy swarm with Howlrunner).

Kwing could have the first long range turret or at least a donut hole turret variant. Should be low damage but high accuracy and then a crapload of torp, missile, and bomb slots.

I'd love to see both wide and long bases. Makes ships really fly different even if thier dials are the same. Hwk would have been a great long ship.

I like all your points, but Hunters and Clawcraft had shields, didn't they?

They might have. Sheildless would be a nice way to make them not just an imperial xwing. Heck, 1 shield might be enough but if you had xwing maneuverability and 1 less shield you're looking at 16-18pts... that's where the interceptor starts. Might be too much toe crunching. The empire does need something in that 15pt starting range and both of those could be it.

Clawcraft were supposed to be incredibly maneuverable. Could be a good ship for imperials to get an S-loop with. They had shields and more hull armor than TIEs, so a 3-4H 1S statline would probably not be far off.

I know someone mentioned the ghost, shes a huge bird though that would make the decimator look quaint. Otoh she does have a small fighter mounted on board which means she could be a 2 ship set on her own.... or.... the ghost isn't unique which means neither is the little built in fighter. As for other rebel ships..... theres always the ARC 170. It is documented as being used by the rebels during the era.