Lore Question about TIE Pilots and their gear.

By Tsiegtiez, in X-Wing

I tend to go from the 501st legion guides as they have the tacit approval of lucasfilm.

two or three hose chest box is purely a variation thing, you can use either IIRC.

I went for the ANH look as you can imagine it being in service as late as ROTJ

My set is two hose.

I dont think its ever estabished what three hose is for flying, just that its seen in ROTJ

Edited by Gadge

For what it worth if you want to know why TIE pilots do so badly.. its because you cant see a bloody thing in those helmets.

This is my interceptor pilot kit

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So this is what you look like. It's always good to be able to put a "face" to the name. ;)

well here you go, my wingman got a snap in the hangar before a routine patrol flight last night...

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I always imagined that xwing suits had the visor seal down and a mask somewhere otherwise whats the point of the chest box and air hose. A cockpit decompression would kill you otherwise.

Yes pretty much every Rebel fighter has equipment in it like a MBU-16/P, I guess most choose not to even bother putting it on because the likely hood of surviving the craft being obliterated is pretty low. I know Ten Nub had his on in his Blue 5 B-Wing during Endor.

Luke used his in one of the comics with Thrawn in it.

For what it worth if you want to know why TIE pilots do so badly.. its because you cant see a bloody thing in those helmets.

This is my interceptor pilot kit

Errrr kill you... LOL Most the time they flew well! People mistake them firing at the Falcon and missing in ESB as bad aim when really they are herding the Falcon.

You might be interested to know that

*TIE Fighter Pilots are all Naval Officer graduates, not connected to the Stormy Core. They are the best of the best and the weak are filtered out during training because of the strategic and high-speed flight challenges they face constantly. ref page 29 Imperial Handbook.

*During Hans time these suits had at the least a couple hours of air scrubbing capabilities. ref page 31 Imperial handbook

* They are wearing Vacuum g-suits and the fabric is energy shielded. ref page 188 SW character encyclopedia Positive gravity pressure boots, and are digitally linked to there fighter. ref page 40 Star Wars the Visual Dictionary.

**The first above feature is a back up feature because every pilot is kept in a repulsorlift antigravity field and a high-g shock seat so they never experience positive or negative gs. The seat is redundant. ref TIE Fighter SW the new essential guide to vehicles and vessels.

* When wearing there Helmets they see a targeting hud that gives them information on where to fire at there target no mater what the location and heading. It also tells them if they have been locked on to, are being fired at by cannon type weapons, and if they are being fired at by guided weapons "O.T.I.A. .

**Through the helmet you can see the status of your weapons

** Locations of detected targets, even if they are around nontransparent parts.

**The Threat Display

** Mission Goals

** In Flight holographic real-time map

** A damage assessment

** And different angles of pov of the craft your in.

ref Stele chronicles pages 48 - 54

all but the first point is left open ended and is possible that this info is projected right into the cockpit but from the appearance of it it looks like its projected into the helmet.

Edited by Black Knight Leader

Yeah it was a joke, the film costume ones are like buckets, you literally cant see much out of them :)

OK Gadge, you seriously have me considering a TIE pilot suit now. Although if I'm controlling a small fleet, maybe a naval officer uniform would be more appropriate (and easier to play whilst wearing ;))

Fair play, be load eaiser if they just had a mask thought wouldnt it :)

I've just spent five minutes trying to find a pic of an 'ejected' rebel pilot... the only one if of bigs wearing an imperial flight uniform :)

Play X-wing DOS (or windows edition) poorly in tour of duty mode for a while. you'll see it.

Play X-Wing DOS *really* poorly in tour of duty and you get to watch your own funeral!

If we knew how it worked, we'd use it :), but it is a field around an area to prevent the loss of atmostphere, e.g. when fighters launch from hangars, but people are still standing in them.

See, I think all y'all are overthinking this one - trying to apply too much "our galaxy" logic to this galaxy that is far, far away.

And where you can hear fighters flying by in space.

And it makes sense to have wings.

And all fighters 'bank' when turning.

The more LIKELY explanation for all this shens is simply...'space' in the Star Wars galaxy isn't a vacuum. Space is probably lower pressure than the 'easily breathable' planetary atmospheres, but it *isn't* a vacuum. Who knows, maybe it's Argon or Xenon or something - not breathable, so lacking a life support system the TIE pilots DO need breathing apparatus...but also not a vacuum that you'd die of decompression in, so full face-covering helmets aren't strictly necessarily as long as you have a way to connect an oxygen feed.

Yes and no. Its a complicated question.

We see TIE Fighter Pilots in ANH have a hose that connects to the back and front of there chest piece.

In Return of the Jedi Imperial Pilots shown in the hanger bay don't have this hose mentioned above, something changed, ether all the Imperial Pilots got upgraded gear or this armor is Specifically TIE Interceptor Pilot suits.

Rumor has it in the A drive version of the TIE Fighter game series, there was cut scenes with TIE Defender Pilots. They supposedly had a single Imperial Emblem in the center of the forehead plate and instead of having the familiar double house re-breather they had something like a MbU-16/P.

There where TIE Pilots on the first Death Star that had all white armor, they had much thicker armor that resembled Snow Trooper armor.

TIE Bomber Pilots have the option to use flight gear that has a pure transparent faceplate / energy faceplate / no face plate going by SW Complete vehicles. TIE Bombers and probably every variation of the TIE Bomber has life support.

TIE Phantoms also have life support.

Cruise Missile Troopers had a near All White variation of Imperial Pilot gear. Not much is known about them...

TIE Hunters are flown by Storm Commandos, they are probably using one of there different versions of gear to fly in the TIE Hunter.

Different Squadrons, Groups, and Wings very well could have had alternate types of gear.

*The 181st had gear that looked Identical to what most Imperial Pilots wear, then they got gear that had the red blood stripe and a white armor chest piece, later they incorporated gear similar to what Rebels use, the white armored chest piece becomes something like a white MA-2.

*There was a Rebel that was flying with Imperial Pilots flying TIE Advanced X3, he had a red bronze flight gear.

*Royal Guard Interceptor Pilots might be wearing some type of red Imperial Pilot Armor OR they could just be wearing there normal guard gear

The old Cruiser Missile Trooper, I actually had that thing back in the day lol. That was a one off toy that Hasbro made in the mid 1990's. The 181st didn't have a white armor chest plate, again that was another one off toy made by Hasbro. It was a very cheap repainted TIE Pilot, half assed way of making a Baron Fel figure for a Toys R Us exclusive 181st TIE Interceptor. The painted chest plate was suppose to match the flak vest Fel had in the comics. Eventually they corrected this with another Baron Fel figure made with completely new parts.

Some of the TIE Pilots in ROTJ had the third hose, but it was from scenes filmed for ANH on the Death Star. They were cut from ANH and later reused in ROTJ. The TIE Pilots at the Emperor's arrival didn't have the hoses, atleast not from the pictures we have to go by. But when the Death Star is about to blow up and it shows some TIE Pilots running you can see the third hose then. None of the TIE Pilots in ANH have the third hose showing, except in some deleted scenes and production pictures.

I don't know if that really weird looking white TIE Pilot from the marvel comics would count for a TIE Pilot. It looks nothing like anything from star wars. But then most of the stuff in those marvel comics didn't match up with the movies. It's as if the artists never saw the movies.

To add to the part about the TIE Pilots training. Recruits that failed to pass were passed on to the Stormtrooper Corps or Imperial Army. There was a bit of a rivalry between Army Pilots and Navy pilots, mostly because the Army pilots were failed TIE recruits.

seriously. you know what im waiting for them to update the HUD on?

my effing car.

Put me a google minimap in my bottom left corner. or in the upper top is really good.

distance to next turn

direction of next turn

name of street

lane I have to be in to get that change

ship, oops i mean, cars around me. heads up on super speeders doing 20+ the speed limit traveling from behind me.

Anything in my blind spot, should be red indicated.

Any heat signatures located at night or on highways also during daytime. Also checks around the sides of the car and towards the forward diagonals for anything dumb enough to try crossing in front of you.

Traffic checkers and route reconfiguration via internet connection.

heads up on what music im listening to.

and of course, the cooldowns on my special weapons.

oh, and croon to me softly.

anyone working at a car company hear me?

I found some interesting concept pictures on DeviantArt, they're not supported by lore, but they're awesome! Personally I would probably stick with black, but add some red accents here and there.

I'm not sure how scaling works on this forum and the pictures are kinda big, so check them out here, and here.

The artist is SpudaFett, there's some really interesting SW stuff on his page for anyone interested.

OK Gadge, you seriously have me considering a TIE pilot suit now. Although if I'm controlling a small fleet, maybe a naval officer uniform would be more appropriate (and easier to play whilst wearing ;))

Its fun but not cheap.

I've put it together over the course of a year or so. I'm probably going to get mine Jolly Roger Squadron/501st approved so i can do official UK Garrison events at some point but at the moment its not 100 per cent movie quality.

I started off with getting a cheap TIE helmet off ebay. Its an old 90s Rubies one (Don Post) also made licensed replicas, some people feel these are undersize and some fan made ones re larger, personally i think they look almost ridiculously too big as they are so im keeping mine as it is. To make it 'film' passable you need to replace the moulded ear circle 'greeblies' with lathed metal ones and slightly flare out the lower curve too. My helmet was about £50 before i did some wor on it, its got metal add ons and a voice changer so probably about £70 now

The flight suit is cheap and easy, 'hammerheart' on ebay do the correct type for about £50, the only thing you have to alter is the comm padd pocket as the window is too small.

Comm pads themselves are usually resin casts you paint yourself between £5 and £20 depending on quality. Mine was pretty cheap, im not happy with it, i'll replace it when i have some money spare.

My belts not film correct but again hammerheart do this type for about £14

Boots are WWII german jackboots.. these are *not* cheap. You can wear east german ones but they look and feel cheap in comparison. Expect to pay about £80 for a good copy of WWII german boots... a lot more for real ones. Mine are early 1950s west german ones so pretty much exactly the same as WWII ones but without a hobbed sole (its ribbed rubber pad glued over the leather sole but the heel is still horseshoed) and cost me about £40 second hand from a mate... realistically expect even these to be about £60. East german ones are the cheapest.

The gloves are also stupidly expensive. Mine were a birthday present from the wife, they are vintage motoring gauntlets and about £40, you can get them new from 'holden leather' in the UK for about £45

The caps is again hammerheart and about £10.

My wife's fleet officer tunic and trousers were about £60 but im not sure if these are 'approved' as its quite nylony close up.

The real killer is the armour, hoses and chest box. You cant just buy these you need to find an 'armourer' who makes em or someone selling them on. Becuase of IP and copyright its very much of knowing someone and being directed to them by cosplay forum people as they dont advertise they make it as they dont want to get sued.

Second hand my armour, chest box, hoses and a spare helmet were £200.

So in total over the last year ive spent:

Helmet £50

Boots (already had as i do WWII german reenactment) but lets say £50

Belt £14

Cap £10

Gloves £40

Flightsuit £60

Armour £200

Compad £5

Ear greeblies £11

Voice Changer £20 (from a kids clone trooper helmet)

so thats...

About £460?

Then the wifes kit cost about £100 in total.

Cheapest way to start is do 'reserve pilot' as you dont need the armour and helmet for that. Its not as iconic. Or do 'fleet officer.

The good news though is that once you've got all that you can change to 'rebel pilot' for very little by swapping flight suit (about £60) and a new helmet (about £40)

TBH it all spiralled a bit out of control.

I bough the helmet on ebay on a whim thinking 'well i've already got a black flightsuit/overall and i've got jackboots'... then you find out it has to be a certain type (my black german airforce one wasnt right), and then it just runs away with itself :)

Like i say its still not 'film correct' , probably going to cost about another £50-£100 and at the moment i just dont have the money. I've funded this outfit by selling old warhammer and 40k and foundry miniatures on ebay and i've pretty much run out of stuff to sell :)

:o

Considering that finances are the reason I don't have a bigger fleet yet, I think I'll go fleet officer for the moment. Thanks for the info though!

No probs, check out the 501st legion pages.

if you just want a 'fun' costume for games in.

Hammerheart could do you the suit, cap and belt for about £80. You'd just need some riding boots then.

Aye, I'll probably start with that (then knowing me probably work up to 501 standards anyway ;))

Yes and no. Its a complicated question.

We see TIE Fighter Pilots in ANH have a hose that connects to the back and front of there chest piece.

In Return of the Jedi Imperial Pilots shown in the hanger bay don't have this hose mentioned above, something changed, ether all the Imperial Pilots got upgraded gear or this armor is Specifically TIE Interceptor Pilot suits.

Rumor has it in the A drive version of the TIE Fighter game series, there was cut scenes with TIE Defender Pilots. They supposedly had a single Imperial Emblem in the center of the forehead plate and instead of having the familiar double house re-breather they had something like a MbU-16/P.

There where TIE Pilots on the first Death Star that had all white armor, they had much thicker armor that resembled Snow Trooper armor.

TIE Bomber Pilots have the option to use flight gear that has a pure transparent faceplate / energy faceplate / no face plate going by SW Complete vehicles. TIE Bombers and probably every variation of the TIE Bomber has life support.

TIE Phantoms also have life support.

Cruise Missile Troopers had a near All White variation of Imperial Pilot gear. Not much is known about them...

TIE Hunters are flown by Storm Commandos, they are probably using one of there different versions of gear to fly in the TIE Hunter.

Different Squadrons, Groups, and Wings very well could have had alternate types of gear.

*The 181st had gear that looked Identical to what most Imperial Pilots wear, then they got gear that had the red blood stripe and a white armor chest piece, later they incorporated gear similar to what Rebels use, the white armored chest piece becomes something like a white MA-2.

*There was a Rebel that was flying with Imperial Pilots flying TIE Advanced X3, he had a red bronze flight gear.

*Royal Guard Interceptor Pilots might be wearing some type of red Imperial Pilot Armor OR they could just be wearing there normal guard gear

The old Cruiser Missile Trooper, I actually had that thing back in the day lol. That was a one off toy that Hasbro made in the mid 1990's. The 181st didn't have a white armor chest plate, again that was another one off toy made by Hasbro. It was a very cheap repainted TIE Pilot, half assed way of making a Baron Fel figure for a Toys R Us exclusive 181st TIE Interceptor. The painted chest plate was suppose to match the flak vest Fel had in the comics. Eventually they corrected this with another Baron Fel figure made with completely new parts.

Some of the TIE Pilots in ROTJ had the third hose, but it was from scenes filmed for ANH on the Death Star. They were cut from ANH and later reused in ROTJ. The TIE Pilots at the Emperor's arrival didn't have the hoses, atleast not from the pictures we have to go by. But when the Death Star is about to blow up and it shows some TIE Pilots running you can see the third hose then. None of the TIE Pilots in ANH have the third hose showing, except in some deleted scenes and production pictures.

I don't know if that really weird looking white TIE Pilot from the marvel comics would count for a TIE Pilot. It looks nothing like anything from star wars. But then most of the stuff in those marvel comics didn't match up with the movies. It's as if the artists never saw the movies.

To add to the part about the TIE Pilots training. Recruits that failed to pass were passed on to the Stormtrooper Corps or Imperial Army. There was a bit of a rivalry between Army Pilots and Navy pilots, mostly because the Army pilots were failed TIE recruits.

I thought the Cruise Missle trooper was cool. Stil do and I have mine in great condition, nothing missing. I also got that tru 181st exclusive =] Its in 99% great condition. I only dust it with canned air. My dusting rag took a littile paint off on raised dot on the solar pannel. The Pilot isnt Fel however.

You might be interested to know that to toys are counted as canon, or at least the hasbro stuff. The Holocron keeper even went out his way to confirm Cruise Missle Troopers are canon.

NOW if WOTC minis are considered canon it would add to the Lore for the 181st. At one point they would have TIE Pilot gear colored sim to Imperial Army Heavy Armor vehicle command crew.

Are you sure theres no scene in ANH showing the third hose? You get a good view of DS-61-2 and DS-61-3 when Vader tells them to come with him. I dont recall any reused TIE Pilot scenes in ROTJ, the only scene I can think of is the TIE Pilot from Scythe Squadron blowing up Red 7. If this is that scene it could mean TIE/LN Pilots are the only ones that get that type of triple hose.

Although Fel had a unique life support pack that had additional hoses in places we never have seen them before.

As for the armored white TIE Pilots there could be a reason why there diffrent.

*Its a Squadron, Wing, group specific pilot gear.

** Kinda the same as above, its a Non TIE/LN, TIE/SA, TIE Pilot gear. It could be TIE Fighter boat or TIE Torpedo Pilots were just standing around or were on there way to the sims when Vader ordered crews to their fighters. It could be they are TIE Boarding craft Pilots, they wear more armor just incase they get counter boarded.

*Since all the stories we watch is records from along time ago in a galaxy far away, and this story with the armored TIE Pilots is a story told by C-3PO within a story, he may have just made up what he thought TIE Pilots looked like. I dont recall him ever seeing a TIE Pilot. This makes since, we see him change past events in his story to the Ewoks about the RAs war agianst Vader and the Empire in ROTJ.

I dont know if Army TIE Pilots are failed Navy TIE Pilots in training because if they couldnt handle flying a TIE they flat out shouldnt be flying TIEs. Although you might be meaning the the Piloted TIE Crawlers and Maulers in which case they were failed flight cadets.

Just a heads up, in the Imperial hand book it show a picture of a Storm Commando fly a TIE Hunter. His helmet looked like a mix between a white Scout Trooper helmet and a Imperial Army armored Cavalry helmet. although a Storm Commando Gen did fly a TIE Interceptor with a Black Storm Commando helmet with red visor.

See, I think all y'all are overthinking this one - trying to apply too much "our galaxy" logic to this galaxy that is far, far away.

And where you can hear fighters flying by in space.

And it makes sense to have wings.

And all fighters 'bank' when turning.

The more LIKELY explanation for all this shens is simply...'space' in the Star Wars galaxy isn't a vacuum. Space is probably lower pressure than the 'easily breathable' planetary atmospheres, but it *isn't* a vacuum. Who knows, maybe it's Argon or Xenon or something - not breathable, so lacking a life support system the TIE pilots DO need breathing apparatus...but also not a vacuum that you'd die of decompression in, so full face-covering helmets aren't strictly necessarily as long as you have a way to connect an oxygen feed.

To be fare it is wise to have space craft built like aircraft so you can land on planets, unless your not plaining on ever steping foot on a planet. Private Corperations are working on craft like this right now.

You might be intrested to know that the reason SW craft travel the way they do is because of equipment that comes standard with most SW craft. Not much dets have been writen how this equipment works BUT if its turned off or damage these SW craft will fly like human spacecraft of the 21st century. They do manuvers like what you see in BSG or B5.

We could immulate this sort of flight in space, it would be useful, BUT as it is right now with our tech its extraordanarly wasteful of resources.

And as far as sound in space goes there really isnt any. All SW ships and stations have a special navigational system that linked to all the scaning equipment. It uses prerecord sounds with special speakers that emulate the doppler effect. This is done to enhance pilot awareness.

seriously. you know what im waiting for them to update the HUD on?

my effing car.

Put me a google minimap in my bottom left corner. or in the upper top is really good.

distance to next turn

direction of next turn

name of street

lane I have to be in to get that change

ship, oops i mean, cars around me. heads up on super speeders doing 20+ the speed limit traveling from behind me.

Anything in my blind spot, should be red indicated.

Any heat signatures located at night or on highways also during daytime. Also checks around the sides of the car and towards the forward diagonals for anything dumb enough to try crossing in front of you.

Traffic checkers and route reconfiguration via internet connection.

heads up on what music im listening to.

and of course, the cooldowns on my special weapons.

oh, and croon to me softly.

anyone working at a car company hear me?

You know when the flight attendant asks you to turn a cell phones off before take off and not to use the m agian till landing BUT you use it anyway? Well this is what happens... Youll be sorry when your driving home at night and your gps guides you off a cliff.

Do different TIE ships necessitate different pilot gear? I know every pilot needed a life support system attached to their uniform, but did these outfits change from ship to ship? We all know the iconic outfit from New Hope, but I was wondering if anyone knew outright that Interceptor pilots and Bomber pilots wore anything different. Or even the Royal Guard pilots!

I've got a list I'm quite fond of that uses four different TIEs and I'm hoping to request artistic representation, and so any input is appreciated!

Yes and no. Its a complicated question.

Rumor has it in the A drive version of the TIE Fighter game series, there was cut scenes with TIE Defender Pilots. They supposedly had a single Imperial Emblem in the center of the forehead plate and instead of having the familiar double house re-breather they had something like a MbU-16/P.

I had the A:\ version of TIE. Only standard TIE pilots were seen.

Do different TIE ships necessitate different pilot gear? I know every pilot needed a life support system attached to their uniform, but did these outfits change from ship to ship? We all know the iconic outfit from New Hope, but I was wondering if anyone knew outright that Interceptor pilots and Bomber pilots wore anything different. Or even the Royal Guard pilots!

I've got a list I'm quite fond of that uses four different TIEs and I'm hoping to request artistic representation, and so any input is appreciated!

Yes and no. Its a complicated question.

Rumor has it in the A drive version of the TIE Fighter game series, there was cut scenes with TIE Defender Pilots. They supposedly had a single Imperial Emblem in the center of the forehead plate and instead of having the familiar double house re-breather they had something like a MbU-16/P.

I had the A:\ version of TIE. Only standard TIE pilots were seen.

Did you also have the a drive addon "Defender of the Empire." IM assuming if its true they would only be on the addon.

Do different TIE ships necessitate different pilot gear? I know every pilot needed a life support system attached to their uniform, but did these outfits change from ship to ship? We all know the iconic outfit from New Hope, but I was wondering if anyone knew outright that Interceptor pilots and Bomber pilots wore anything different. Or even the Royal Guard pilots!

I've got a list I'm quite fond of that uses four different TIEs and I'm hoping to request artistic representation, and so any input is appreciated!

Yes and no. Its a complicated question.

Rumor has it in the A drive version of the TIE Fighter game series, there was cut scenes with TIE Defender Pilots. They supposedly had a single Imperial Emblem in the center of the forehead plate and instead of having the familiar double house re-breather they had something like a MbU-16/P.

I had the A:\ version of TIE. Only standard TIE pilots were seen.

Did you also have the a drive addon "Defender of the Empire." IM assuming if its true they would only be on the addon.

Good point, that I didn't have. Though I do have both the CDROM collectors and the 98 edition.

I would do a qoute again but it's way too much stuff to quote. If the Defender pilots looked different, I don't remember it. But then it's been 20 years ago now. I have watched some of the videos on youtube and didn't see anything. If only I still had one of my old computers that could run dos games. That one TIE Pilot scene in ROTJ was filmed for ANH but wasn't used. They were cut from the film and they dug them out for jedi. It's the part where a handful go running by after the Executor crashes into the Death Star. Even the cockpit scenes with TIE Pilots were reused from ANH. I thought a lot of the scenes were new too, but I got educated by some 501st TIE Pilots a few years ago. Those guys know their stuff.

I don't know what happened to my Cruise Missile Trooper, I thought I kept it when I sold most of that stuff off. The 181st TIE was one of the few things I did keep, still have the box even. I really wish Hasbro would reissue it with the new TIE cockpit mold they made a few years ago.

I'm sorry I wasn't very clear there. Not all of the Army pilots are failed TIE Pilots, but some are and that is what partly lead to the rivalry between the two groups.

The more LIKELY explanation for all this shens is simply...'space' in the Star Wars galaxy isn't a vacuum. Space is probably lower pressure than the 'easily breathable' planetary atmospheres, but it *isn't* a vacuum. Who knows, maybe it's Argon or Xenon or something - not breathable, so lacking a life support system the TIE pilots DO need breathing apparatus...but also not a vacuum that you'd die of decompression in, so full face-covering helmets aren't strictly necessarily as long as you have a way to connect an oxygen feed.

That would explain why Han, Leia, and Chewie decided it was okay to go out in the "cave" with just those tiny little masks, rather than full spacesuits.

In the old WEG stuff, about the top 5 per cent of academy entrants get to go on to be fighter pilots. Guys who dont make it go to more general fleet duties or as gunner on two man ships and larger projects (like the death star gunners).

It was a really 'odd' WEG lore that you train your *best* to consider themselves disposable and not to use their initiative but to stick to the plan regardless.....

I had the A:\ version of TIE. Only standard TIE pilots were seen.

Did you also have the a drive addon "Defender of the Empire." IM assuming if its true they would only be on the addon.

Good point, that I didn't have. Though I do have both the CDROM collectors and the 98 edition.

I own the a drive TIE Fighter and its add-on but its to low tech to use on my computer. That being said my gaming computer uses windows 2000 and I would never go on the web with it LOL I bet it would get killed by mal vey quickly.

I would do a qoute again but it's way too much stuff to quote. If the Defender pilots looked different, I don't remember it. But then it's been 20 years ago now. I have watched some of the videos on youtube and didn't see anything. If only I still had one of my old computers that could run dos games. That one TIE Pilot scene in ROTJ was filmed for ANH but wasn't used. They were cut from the film and they dug them out for jedi. It's the part where a handful go running by after the Executor crashes into the Death Star. Even the cockpit scenes with TIE Pilots were reused from ANH. I thought a lot of the scenes were new too, but I got educated by some 501st TIE Pilots a few years ago. Those guys know their stuff.

We may never know unless we ask some from Lucas arts that helped make the orignal TIE Fighter AND Defender of the Empire.

I found one video from the Orignal and its like compareing scenes from the First released SW OT to the blu-ray version of the SW OT.

In the video TIE Interceptor pilots have a hard time killing Reb fighters. In cdrom version has them one shot kill Rebel fighters.

I like the cdrom version more =]

I had the A:\ version of TIE. Only standard TIE pilots were seen.

Did you also have the a drive addon "Defender of the Empire." IM assuming if its true they would only be on the addon.

Good point, that I didn't have. Though I do have both the CDROM collectors and the 98 edition.

I own the a drive TIE Fighter and its add-on but its to low tech to use on my computer. That being said my gaming computer uses windows 2000 and I would never go on the web with it LOL I bet it would get killed by mal vey quickly.

I would do a qoute again but it's way too much stuff to quote. If the Defender pilots looked different, I don't remember it. But then it's been 20 years ago now. I have watched some of the videos on youtube and didn't see anything. If only I still had one of my old computers that could run dos games. That one TIE Pilot scene in ROTJ was filmed for ANH but wasn't used. They were cut from the film and they dug them out for jedi. It's the part where a handful go running by after the Executor crashes into the Death Star. Even the cockpit scenes with TIE Pilots were reused from ANH. I thought a lot of the scenes were new too, but I got educated by some 501st TIE Pilots a few years ago. Those guys know their stuff.

We may never know unless we ask some from Lucas arts that helped make the orignal TIE Fighter AND Defender of the Empire.

I found one video from the Orignal and its like compareing scenes from the First released SW OT to the blu-ray version of the SW OT.

In the video TIE Interceptor pilots have a hard time killing Reb fighters. In cdrom version has them one shot kill Rebel fighters.

I like the cdrom version more =]

Or you can just install the A:\ version and use dosbox?