Sister Hospitaller/Adepta Sororita Background Packages

By pearldrum1, in Dark Heresy

At the expense of pouring over the myriad of supplements available to me, I was wondering if someone could hit me with some quick advice regarding background packages that could fit a Sister Hospitaller build.

Thank you!

What kind of Sister Hospitaller? How do you want to play her? Where is she going to be on the Radical/Puritan spectrum (there are a couple of packages that will push you towards the Radical end)?

There are a handful of "any" packages, and some Sororitas specific backgrounds. Honestly, though, your options as a Sister are pretty slim - they have the least background package support, no doubt because they're not in the core book. I don't remember any from Inquisitor's, could be wrong, though, there's one or two a Sororitas can take from Radical's if you want to go that route, Martyr's probably has a couple(it'd better), Judgement doesn't, Daemonhunter has a couple. I don't have my books at hand, and I was never that focused on the options for Sororitas, but I don't remember anything specifically for Sister Hospitallers; you'll probably either have to go with an "any" package, or a generic Sororitas package (which is likely oriented more towards the militant orders).

Of course, with a Hospitaller, your GM may (with sufficient backstopping in the backstory) be persuaded to allow you to take a thematically appropriate background package that's normally restricted to clerics or adepts, but this is dependent on the GM being willing to allow it and on you having made the case for it.

Well in the Book of Martyrs they have a level 1 package for Sister Hospitaller pg 96 and then are treated as an Adept from there on.

if you are looking at home worlds:

Schola Progenium

Blighted Schola (more radical)

Monastic Upbring

Shrine World

Background: Blessed Birth BoM pg 56

Pilgrim BoM pg 57

Edited by Angel of Death

I went with Monastic Upbringing and I was thinking about Blessed Birth, the problem with that being I already rolled 3/3 for my Fate Points - so it would serve no technical purpose for the cost, unless my GM wanted to allow me another fate point.

Thanks for the responses.

Here is another question: Does the sister Hospitaller use the Adept characteristic advance table or the Battle Sister characteristic advance table from Blood of Martyrs for characteristic purchases?

I went with Monastic Upbringing and I was thinking about Blessed Birth, the problem with that being I already rolled 3/3 for my Fate Points - so it would serve no technical purpose for the cost, unless my GM wanted to allow me another fate point.

Thanks for the responses.

Here is another question: Does the sister Hospitaller use the Adept characteristic advance table or the Battle Sister characteristic advance table from Blood of Martyrs for characteristic purchases?

The Adept table.

****, that makes no sense to me at all. At rank 2 does it then change to the Battle Sister table?

Once a character achieves Rank Two, she returns to the appropriate career for advancement. Characters from Non-militant Orders are treated as Adepts and Clerics for all purposes ...

- Blood of Martyrs 79 on Adepta Sororitas Character Creation

All Starting Skills, Talents, Gear and Wealth listed here

totally replace the Rank 1 Adept listing on page 44 of the

Dark Heresy Rulebook.

- Blood of Martyrs 97 on becoming a Sister Hospitaller

EDIT: The way I read it, and as [Angel of Death] stated above, your Battle Sister uses the Adept tables for everything starting at Rank 2.

Edited by Asymptomatic

Yeah, I can see it written as above. I can also interpret it that they would (maybe "could" is a better word) move to the Battle Sister tables at Rank 2 being that they are Adepta Sororitae first and foremost.

Or, at the very least, petition my GM to accept that. If not, I suppose Battle Sister talents could be available at the appropriate levels as Elite Advances.

If you will entertain more questions from me -

Under monthly income, it says "supine class." What does that mean exactly? Does that have to do with the whole "Battle Sisters rely on the convents to give them whatever they need..."

Since the argument is being made that they are essentially adepts or clerics in every since, I would imagine not. Do I take the Adept's monthly income?

Yeah, I can see it written as above. I can also interpret it that they would (maybe "could" is a better word) move to the Battle Sister tables at Rank 2 being that they are Adepta Sororitae first and foremost.

Or, at the very least, petition my GM to accept that. If not, I suppose Battle Sister talents could be available at the appropriate levels as Elite Advances.

You could also use the Sororitas/Hospitaller career from the Inquisitor's Handbook, which personally I consider a much better portrayal of their original background. Ultimately, it depends on your interpretation of this organisation (and some other important details), just like which background packages you'd consider appropriate.

The Black Industries version features "shared" Novice ranks for the first 4 levels, reflecting their uniform upbringing in the Schola Progenium and the convents. Upon reaching Rank 5 and graduating as a fully-fledged Sister, the career splits into the Militant and several Non-Militant specialisations, so that you end up with a core of "Sororitas training" augmented by order-specific knowledge.

I can also interpret it that they would (maybe "could" is a better word) move to the Battle Sister tables at Rank 2 being that they are Adepta Sororitae first and foremost.

Or, at the very least, petition my GM to accept that. If not, I suppose Battle Sister talents could be available at the appropriate levels as Elite Advances.

Under monthly income, it says "supine class." What does that mean exactly? Does that have to do with the whole " Battle Sisters rely on the convents to give them whatever they need..."

Since the argument is being made that they are essentially adepts or clerics in every since, I would imagine not. Do I take the Adept's monthly income?

Not that I am maliciously trying to shut you down, but my problem here is the word choice. "Blood of Martyrs" specifically draws a line between true Battle Sisters and the other Orders (Blood of Martyrs 79). A "Battle Sister" is one of the Adepta Sororitas dedicated to combat and selflessness, hence their Advancement tables and handsome if heavily restricted Monthly Income. On the other hand, a Sister Hospitaller is not held to as high of a standard and consequently would not normally have such military backing or training.

That being said, non-Battle Sisters still have ties to the rest of the Adepta Sororitas they can call on if they want specialized training. While I would restrict a Sister Hospitaller to the Adept tables (by RAW), I would be more lenient with non-Battle Sisters getting typical Battle Sister talents through Elite Advances. For example, a Sister Hospitaller has significantly more justification for [Miraculous Survival] (BOM 84) than a non-Adepta Sororitas Adept or even a Cleric. While a Sister Hospitaller may pay more for Battle Sister Talents, other characters could realistically be denied any such Elite Advances.

Just to make sure, what do you want to get out of the Battle Sister tables? I would like to know why you are pushing to get free access to those tables when the Adept tables are comparable. By my own judgement, its the combat-leaning nature of the Battle Sister tables that make them more appealing, but then Sisters Hospitaller are not expected to be warriors more than medics. Please correct me if I am assuming too much.

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ADDENDUM:

You could also use the Sororitas/Hospitaller career from the Inquisitor's Handbook, which personally I consider a much better portrayal of their original background. Ultimately, it depends on your interpretation of this organisation (and some other important details), just like which background packages you'd consider appropriate.

Depending on how your GM wants to rule your Sister Hospitaller, [Lynata] offers an excellent compromise if you want to be a little more Battle Sister-esque. However, I interpret that an Adepta Sororitas-player needs to commit to either "Inquisitor's" or "Blood of Martyrs'" tables, not cherry-picking what advances to get. As always, double-check with your GM.

Edited by Asymptomatic

If you will entertain more questions from me -

Under monthly income, it says "supine class." What does that mean exactly? Does that have to do with the whole "Battle Sisters rely on the convents to give them whatever they need..."

Since the argument is being made that they are essentially adepts or clerics in every since, I would imagine not. Do I take the Adept's monthly income?

and while they are Sisters of Battle, they are not Battle Sisters.

I would say well they could draw on the converts, they more often are apart from it so they draw Thrones to deal with expenses. I know my Hospitaller, she a Dark Sister takes min of 25% of what she has and donates it to her order.

While I agree that the Inq handbook, has a better PC friendly SOB and they are outfit more like the rest of the players.

I was wondering when you were going to get here Lynata. Thanks.

No worries about "shutting me down," this is a learning process for me after all. And you make a really valid point, Asymptomatic. I don't have a solid advancement plan yet, but I didn't want her to be completely shut out of the Battle Sister advancements should something happen storywise to force her to seek out a convent and get her Jean Claude VanDamme montage-esque training sequence on.

My GM has told me to use BoM rather than the IH as that is what he prefers, so I didn't argue with him there - this being my first SoB and all. I want her to be a healer and a soother first and foremost, and a murderer of heretics, mutants and demons when needed. He is a pretty cool GM and said he would work with me should I need an Elite Advance from the Battle Sister table. So, I have that going for me and I am not planning on taking advantage of it.

MinMaxing is for traitors and blasphemers.

If you will entertain more questions from me -

Under monthly income, it says "supine class." What does that mean exactly? Does that have to do with the whole "Battle Sisters rely on the convents to give them whatever they need..."

Since the argument is being made that they are essentially adepts or clerics in every since, I would imagine not. Do I take the Adept's monthly income?

and while they are Sisters of Battle, they are not Battle Sisters.

I would say well they could draw on the converts, they more often are apart from it so they draw Thrones to deal with expenses. I know my Hospitaller, she a Dark Sister takes min of 25% of what she has and donates it to her order.

While I agree that the Inq handbook, has a better PC friendly SOB and they are outfit more like the rest of the players.

Sorry, excuse my ignorance, but what does "supine class" mean? How much/month is that?

Supine Class (Arbitors, Psykers)

70 [thrones/month] , 7 [thrones per Rank increase]

Those that serve classes better than themselves, benefiting from the wealth of their masters.

- Dark Heresy Core Book 124 on Income and Social Class

Edited by Asymptomatic

For some reason I thought "supine" was something new for SoB. I am dumb

Don't worry about it too much. There's a lot of cross-referencing required for alternate character creation, though knowing where to look comes with experience. If you have other questions, I'll be floating around.