Ah ok, i was under the inmpression you'd still get a lot of unpleasant push/pull changing direction at speed but i see what you mean now.

well, if your thrust was in excess of what the body could handle, it would kill them. 10 gees of thrust would be unpleasant. 20 gees would be pretty deadly for any length of time.

well, if your thrust was in excess of what the body could handle, it would kill them. 10 gees of thrust would be unpleasant. 20 gees would be pretty deadly for any length of time.

Right, but the point being that if your maximum thrust is already limited to what the pilot can handle, then the worst you can do is change the direction of acceleration, and by extension force. (F = ma).

What you do get is a change in the 3rd derivative, the "jerk", as you move the thrust vector.

Wierdly the force you can stand depends on a degree to how you pilot the ship.

In the 50s they found 'prone pilots' could withstand more Gs but had trouble making the controls as responsive in a lying down configuration.

Also The Lost Fleet has great space battles that seem realistic within that universe. It was written by a former US Navy Lt Cdr and is a very realistic view of how militaries actually work.

Also maneuvering taking time delay due to the limit of the speed of light is very interesting.

Another fan of that series. I doubt it will ever happen, but they need to make a movie or tv show based off it so more people can see what should look like.

I also agree that BSG and B5 did a good job with space combat.

I doubt it will ever happen, but they need to make a movie or tv show based off...

Yeah I don't see the Lost Fleet movie without them breaking a lot of what made the books good.

Or, "Why real space battles would look more like the game Asteroids than Star Wars".

About the only things I agree on are his points about Nuclear weapons in space and sound in space.

IM neutral on his points on astroids being the more efficient planet killer. Yes when the planet your attacking has zero defence then a big astroid would be better, BUT if your goal is to destroy something with heavy defences, esp if it has anti-astroid defences then the DS is your better option. Going by lore it can accidentally destroy a universe and or multiverse, IM thinking this was not something they wanted as a side effect. Only thing that could repair the damage is Darth Sidious, maybe Yoda.

IM also neutral on his point that ships would not manuver like what we see in SW films. That being said the way they manuver like that isnt simply because of stragically placed thrusters. If thats all we got as far as propulsion then we will be moving around like ships in space invaders.

IM neutral on his point about craft needing to be in ZV all the time.

*1 If hes making a jab at SW, how can we be sure those fighter are at full burn 24/7? They are glowing but does that mean the are at full thrust? In regards to the turbines the turbine using crafts may require some sort of system prep that requires the engines to be semi-active, one reason could be for preventing the moving parts from freezeing up.

*2 They havent gone into full detail how they are able to move like aircraft in space BUT it is shown that with a flick of a switch they can move like space craft, even doing manuvers youd see in the last star fighter or BSG. Its possible that this "Effect" this system causes requires high energy thrusts / constant projection while in space.

IM neutral on his point on explosions or missiles in space. If hes making a jab at SW I will point out theres lots of missile in SW most are very exotic to what we use now. Most emit something, proton weapons are advanced partical beam like weapons that send high energy particals in a sphere radius instead of a beam, rather than just using a shaped charge.

IM also neutral on his point on neutron weapons. If your traveling through space and you dont have shielding to block any amount of dose of Neutron rad then you shouldnt be in space. Granted it would be very very hard to have PERFECT protection from any type of danger youll encounter in space, esp if it come from intelligent entities, but to just say neutrons will pass through your ships armor and fry your troops is pretty vaug and or presumptuous on the video makers part. Neutron weapons are not 100% equal to every other diffrent type of neutron weapon. Its the same thing as just proclaiming "Nukes" are all the same, you got many diffrent types with many diffrent yields.

Now this is my list of things I dont agree on.

I dont agree on his points made on LASERs in real life and SW.

*Real life LASERs, they were made using some out of date information like for instance "Ring-Airy" it self focuses and will be very helpful in the LASER science field including medical and military.

*LASERS in SW. He incorrectly calls them plasma weapons. Its obvous he got that tidbit from the Historty Channel. IM going to start with minor points and end with the heavy hitters.

1) Weapons called LASERs in SW are meant to be called LASERs because that is what they are. Same goes for Plasma weapons in SW because there a fair number of them. Going the rout most people are with the names of these weapons is kinda a problem because then you must come to the conclusion every weapon designer is incompitent because there calling plasma weapons "lasers." What does that make plasma weapons then that are flat out called plasma, giggle beams?

2) Besides the offical sources giving these weapons specific names they have also officaly printed details on how these weapons work and they have made it clear LASERs are LASERs. Theyve also made it clear LASERs are not Blasters but they have simularites. The lastest sources for this are the Star Wars Complete Vehicles and FFG SW AOR RPG source book.

3) The main writers responcible for this information are Curtis Saxton (PhD theoretical astrophysics University of Sydeny in Australia.) and Kerrie Dougherty (Curator of Space Technology at Powerhouse Museum, Sydney Australia. She also lectures in Space-and-Society studies for the International Space University in France.

4) Though these LASERs dont fit all the attributes associated with LASERs that are familar with most people we are constantly deleoping new types of LASER emiters including some with Lasing processes that are both not known by the majority and also fit with attributes associated with SW LASERs.

See most the LASERs used in SW are more than likely powerful LASER beams encased in a synthetic magnetic bottle which helps protect the Beam / bolt from enemy ecm or at least prevents the effects caused by ecm. It also helps with gudiance of the bolt hence why youll see it come out diffrent directions other than straight out the barrel. Bottling the beam also helps prevent dramatic energy loss of the beam as apossed to leting a naked LASER traveling through space without the benefit of ring-airy technological assistance.

Also theres also a chance SW LASERs could be rewritten to be Hard Light LASERs. Hard Light is a pretty new creation. It was ment to be a componet in a Q Computer but the creator would very much like to use it for building materials in the future including three dimensional photonic crystals. A LASER bolt made this way would be great for holding photons together for long range targets.

Lastly I dont agree with his point that in space there would be no point blanlk or close range engagements. He didnt take into consideration ECM could shut down there capabilities for long range quick strike actions. He didnt take into consideration that a coflict may involve defending craft defending ES targets like planets, space stations, and things like them. There some setups were ships will have to get into those ranges esp if ECM and ECCM are involved. You could go back to using "Iron sights" to avoid lots of diffrent types of ecm BUT now your still stuck at only being able to fight at close ranges. Then theres tactics used for preventing ships up and "Jumping to light speed" some of those involve point blank combat.

See most the LASERs used in SW are more than likely powerful LASER beams encased in a synthetic magnetic bottle which helps protect the Beam / bolt from enemy ecm or at least prevents the effects caused by ecm. It also helps with gudiance of the bolt hence why youll see it come out diffrent directions other than straight out the barrel. Bottling the beam also helps prevent dramatic energy loss of the beam as apossed to leting a naked LASER traveling through space without the benefit of ring-airy technological assistance.

Omg, I am sick of people saying this. YOU NEVER SEE LASERS IN THE SW MOVIES. Blasters are actually high focused particle beams. THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY LASERS.

*LASERS in SW. He incorrectly calls them plasma weapons. Its obvous he got that tidbit from the Historty Channel. IM going to start with minor points and end with the heavy hitters.

Now if we are talking about the alleged lasers seen in movies and the Clone Wars, which I already established are actually particle weapons, yes some "lasers" are plasma-based. All the "laser" weapons used by the republic in the movies/tv shows, are plasma based particle weaponry. That's why they are blue as opposed to lasers used by Rebels, Empire etc.

Lasers are a beam of coherent light. They are in SW as well. They are used in sniper rifles. To many people confuse lasers with blasters.

Also The Lost Fleet has great space battles that seem realistic within that universe. It was written by a former US Navy Lt Cdr and is a very realistic view of how militaries actually work.Also maneuvering taking time delay due to the limit of the speed of light is very interesting.

Another fan of that series. I doubt it will ever happen, but they need to make a movie or tv show based off it so more people can see what should look like.I also agree that BSG and B5 did a good job with space combat.

It would be such a boring tv series.

"Hail that other ship. Send them this message. ... K, now I'm gonna go take a nap."

Next episode.

"They've responded and intend to destroy us! Time to contact, 30 hours."

Next episode. Combat, which occurs too fast to comprehend, is just some shaking on the bridge Star Trek style. "We got them!'

See most the LASERs used in SW are more than likely powerful LASER beams encased in a synthetic magnetic bottle which helps protect the Beam / bolt from enemy ecm or at least prevents the effects caused by ecm. It also helps with gudiance of the bolt hence why youll see it come out diffrent directions other than straight out the barrel. Bottling the beam also helps prevent dramatic energy loss of the beam as apossed to leting a naked LASER traveling through space without the benefit of ring-airy technological assistance.

Omg, I am sick of people saying this. YOU NEVER SEE LASERS IN THE SW MOVIES. Blasters are actually high focused particle beams. THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY LASERS.

*LASERS in SW. He incorrectly calls them plasma weapons. Its obvous he got that tidbit from the Historty Channel. IM going to start with minor points and end with the heavy hitters.

Now if we are talking about the alleged lasers seen in movies and the Clone Wars, which I already established are actually particle weapons, yes some "lasers" are plasma-based. All the "laser" weapons used by the republic in the movies/tv shows, are plasma based particle weaponry. That's why they are blue as opposed to lasers used by Rebels, Empire etc.

Lasers are a beam of coherent light. They are in SW as well. They are used in sniper rifles. To many people confuse lasers with blasters.

They're plasma weapons, not particle beam weapons. Particle beams travel just about the speed of light. They're also not "highly focused" as that would mean the beam itself isn't wide so as to concentrate the damage, but what we see is very wide blasts moving at significantly tiny fractions of the speed of light. Tiny enough that a human can physically move his arm and block it mid-flight.

Although the confusion could just be due to special effects, much like how ships maneuver in space in SW vs reality.

I've always liked the idea that the board itself is in motion, and that as all other speed is relative, that's why the Lambda has a Red 0, and the TIEs can't really move at the slower speeds well compared to the X-Wings.

Black Knight....

erm... there's a lot in your post, I'll just leave this tidbit in regards to lasers:

c = 3 * 10^8 m/s

Only thing that could repair the damage is Darth Sidious, maybe Yoda.

Well first off, that lore is no longer valid. Also anything Sid or Yoda could do, Luke could do and then some.

IM also neutral on his point that ships would not manuver like what we see in SW films.

Then you have a pretty poor grasp on physics. George didn't care about proper physics, he cared about the visual and emotional impact, so he made Star Wars fighter battles like the ones from WWII. In the real world ships would not preform like they do in the movies.

The best anyone has been able to do, is come up with this fairly obscure theory that somehow space is dense in the Star Wars universe.

1) Weapons called LASERs in SW are meant to be called LASERs because that is what they are.

As is pointed out, you really don't understand what a Laser really is based on the statements you've made here and other places. It's also abundantly clear that what they use in SW are not lasers.

See most the LASERs used in SW are more than likely powerful LASER beams encased in a synthetic magnetic bottle which helps protect the Beam / bolt from enemy ecm or at least prevents the effects caused by ecm. It also helps with gudiance of the bolt hence why youll see it come out diffrent directions other than straight out the barrel. Bottling the beam also helps prevent dramatic energy loss of the beam as apossed to leting a naked LASER traveling through space without the benefit of ring-airy technological assistance.

Omg, I am sick of people saying this. YOU NEVER SEE LASERS IN THE SW MOVIES. Blasters are actually high focused particle beams. THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY LASERS.

*LASERS in SW. He incorrectly calls them plasma weapons. Its obvous he got that tidbit from the Historty Channel. IM going to start with minor points and end with the heavy hitters.

Now if we are talking about the alleged lasers seen in movies and the Clone Wars, which I already established are actually particle weapons, yes some "lasers" are plasma-based. All the "laser" weapons used by the republic in the movies/tv shows, are plasma based particle weaponry. That's why they are blue as opposed to lasers used by Rebels, Empire etc.

Lasers are a beam of coherent light. They are in SW as well. They are used in sniper rifles. To many people confuse lasers with blasters.

They're plasma weapons, not particle beam weapons. Particle beams travel just about the speed of light. They're also not "highly focused" as that would mean the beam itself isn't wide so as to concentrate the damage, but what we see is very wide blasts moving at significantly tiny fractions of the speed of light. Tiny enough that a human can physically move his arm and block it mid-flight.

Although the confusion could just be due to special effects, much like how ships maneuver in space in SW vs reality.

Please look at Wookieepedia before you make another post about what lasers are and what they aren't in SW. In SW, some lasers are plasma weapons (the ones the Clones use in TCW/PT), but most are particle weaponry.

See most the LASERs used in SW are more than likely powerful LASER beams encased in a synthetic magnetic bottle which helps protect the Beam / bolt from enemy ecm or at least prevents the effects caused by ecm. It also helps with gudiance of the bolt hence why youll see it come out diffrent directions other than straight out the barrel. Bottling the beam also helps prevent dramatic energy loss of the beam as apossed to leting a naked LASER traveling through space without the benefit of ring-airy technological assistance.

Omg, I am sick of people saying this. YOU NEVER SEE LASERS IN THE SW MOVIES. Blasters are actually high focused particle beams. THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY LASERS.

*LASERS in SW. He incorrectly calls them plasma weapons. Its obvous he got that tidbit from the Historty Channel. IM going to start with minor points and end with the heavy hitters.

Now if we are talking about the alleged lasers seen in movies and the Clone Wars, which I already established are actually particle weapons, yes some "lasers" are plasma-based. All the "laser" weapons used by the republic in the movies/tv shows, are plasma based particle weaponry. That's why they are blue as opposed to lasers used by Rebels, Empire etc. Lasers are a beam of coherent light. They are in SW as well. They are used in sniper rifles. To many people confuse lasers with blasters.

They're plasma weapons, not particle beam weapons. Particle beams travel just about the speed of light. They're also not "highly focused" as that would mean the beam itself isn't wide so as to concentrate the damage, but what we see is very wide blasts moving at significantly tiny fractions of the speed of light. Tiny enough that a human can physically move his arm and block it mid-flight.Although the confusion could just be due to special effects, much like how ships maneuver in space in SW vs reality.

Please look at Wookieepedia before you make another post about what lasers are and what they aren't in SW. In SW, some lasers are plasma weapons (the ones the Clones use in TCW/PT), but most are particle weaponry.

This is a thread about physics in fiction.

Wookiepedia and its sources claim blasters are particle beam weapons. They are not particle beam weapons in the way the English language defines them in science.

Sort of like how a parsec is not a measure of time and the meaning of Solo's infamous quote had to be retconned to make the Kessel Run about cutting corners rather than speed.

You need to pick up an actual science textbook before continuing in this thread about actual science.

Also regarding asteroids, from a 40k book printed ages ago:

Rocks are NOT ‘free’, citizen.

Firstly, you must manoeuvre the Emperor’s naval vessel within the asteroid belt, almost assuredly sustaining damage to the Emperor’s ship’s paint from micrometeoroids, while expending the Emperor’s fuel.

Then the Tech Priests must inspect the rock in question to ascertain its worthiness to do the Emperor’s bidding. Should it pass muster, the Emperor’s Servitors must use the Emperor’s auto-scrapers and melta-cutters to prepare the potential ordinance for movement. Finally, the Tech Priests finished, the Emperor’s officers may begin manoeuvring the Emperor’s warship to abut the asteroid at the prepared face (expending yet more of the Emperor’s fuel), and then begin boosting the stone towards the offensive planet.

After a few days of expending a prodigious amount of the Emperor’s fuel to accelerate the asteroid into an orbit more fitting to the Emperor’s desires, the Emperor’s ship may then return to the planet via superluminous warp travel and await the arrival of the stone, still many weeks (or months) away.

After twiddling away the Emperor’s time and eating the Emperor’s food in the wasteful pursuit of making sure that the Emperor’s enemies do not launch a deflection mission, they may finally watch the ordinance impact the planet (assuming that the Emperor’s ship does not need to attempt any last-minute course correction upon the rock, using yet more of the Emperor’s fuel).

Given a typical (class Bravo-CVII) system, we have the following:

Two months, O&M, Titan class warship: 4.2 Million Imperials

Two months, rations, crew of same: 0.2 MI

Two months, Tech Priest pastor: 1.7 MI

Two months, Servitor parish: 0.3 MI

Paint, Titan class warship: 2.5 MI

Dihydrogen peroxide fuel: 0.9 MI

Total: 9.8 MI

Contrasted with the following:

5 warheads, magna-melta: 2.5 MI

One day, O&M, Titan class warship: 0.3 MI

One day, rations, crew of same: 0.0 MI

Dihydrogen peroxide fuel: 0.1 MI

Total: 2.9 MI

Given the same result with under one third of the cost, the Emperor will have saved a massive amount of His most sacred money and almost a full month of time, during which His warship may be bombarding an entirely different planet.

The Emperor, through this – His Office of Imperial Outlays – hereby orders you to attend one (1) week of therapeutic accountancy training/penance. Please report to Areicon IV, Imperial City, Administratum Building CXXI, Room 1456, where you are to sit in the BLUE chair.

For the Emperor,

Bursarius Tenathis,

Purser Level XI,

Imperial Office of Outlays.

Everyone gets on about turbines in engines for spacecraft being stupid.

Not if f*cking isn't. How many of you have played KSP? Now, equally, how many of you have used an SSTO or similar vehicle that has had jet engines alongside rocket engines?

Case and friggin' point, especially when someone considers the new R.A.P.I.E.R. engines. The engines in Star Wars are built to work in both atmosphere and space.

Because the designers aren't pants on head retarded.

I'm having a lot of fun devising a tabletop game with Newtonian mechanics for capital ship combat.

Check out the vector version of the Full Thrust rules.

I have found Atomic Rockets to be a pretty good reference on realistic space battles.

I like what I've read so far, vibes with my current ideas although I use some different abstractions to get around that pesky 3rd dimension.

(Hard to imagine fully simulated 3D space combat without PC simulation or hexes, which I'm personally less fond of.)

I'm having a lot of fun devising a tabletop game with Newtonian mechanics for capital ship combat.

I have thought about that as well, but you would end up needing a huge table because of momentum. If someone just keeps going in one direction, then the distance traveled is proportional to time squared. You would very quickly need a gymnasium to have enough space.

If an A-wing went straight 5 every turn, and the velocity was cumulative, then after 10 turns it would be moving 6.5 feet per turn, and would have traveled 36 feet. It would take 127 turns to travel a mile, with a velocity to that point of 83 feet per turn. That's with a 5-straight template that is 20 cm long.

While that's true, you could apply the same argument to non-Newtonian A-Wings. Neither A-Wing is just going to go straight all game because you're limited by weapon range and fire arcs. The N-N A-Wing can go off the board with little effort.

The difference with a Newtonian A-Wing is simply that turning requires a counter thrust, be that a directly anti-parallel thrust to your velocity or a centripetal thrust to basically swing your ship around. (Scott Manley on youtube has a good video about space fighters made in Kerbal Space Programme worth watching)

Of course, non-Newtonian turns are probably slower (akin to driving an 18 wheeler on ice is an analogy I've heard) but that's accounted for by simply making your space and time scales appropriately sized, rather than making the board massive, and not making your engine thrust absurdly large. EG SFB has hexes that are about 10,000 km across, IIRC. (Though I actually calculated the timescale, assuming, as the cadet manual said, that 1 hex per turn is equal to the speed of light, warp 1. Suffice to say, turns were comically short. Unless my math was way off xD)

Similar to Attack Vector Tactical, I've, for now, assumed that weapons are relatively short ranged* and thrusters are possibly disproportionally powerful, but I'm still bashing all the math through right now.

*obviously kinetic weapons have a theoretical infinite range, but their effective range is limited by light speed lag and targeting ability. Lasers and particle guns simply disperse, missiles run out of fuel, etc.

It doesnt matter really though does it. I like correct physics as much as the next man but Star Wars is pure space opera. Reality has no place in it, The same can be said for Trek though they cover it up with a lot of technobabble (Can someone tell me how reverse impulse drive works since the impulse drive is a rear pointed thruster)

If i want realism and i often do ill read some Clarke or Heinlein.

What i dont like is half assed realism. Where they pretend it is realistic but on any sort of analysis the scientifically accurate tone falls apart. Nu BSG is a prime example. Where the writers actually rejected beam weapons because they were too 'sci-fi' but the show is about a space carrier. And they use maneuver thrusters but sound can be heard inside a viper cockpit. and not just the sound of your own weapons and engines.

If you have artificial/anti grav technology and some form of inertia cancellation tech then you can fly around like a Spitfire pilot all you want. Slaving the controls to the reaction thrusters so you have that kind of flight control wouldnt be hard once one gets to that tech level. Without the inertial sump or something like it X Wing pilots will be dead in no time. Flying to the death star is one thing but maneuvering at the speeds they do would be a uniquely thrilling and shortlived experience.

See most the LASERs used in SW are more than likely powerful LASER beams encased in a synthetic magnetic bottle which helps protect the Beam / bolt from enemy ecm or at least prevents the effects caused by ecm. It also helps with gudiance of the bolt hence why youll see it come out diffrent directions other than straight out the barrel. Bottling the beam also helps prevent dramatic energy loss of the beam as apossed to leting a naked LASER traveling through space without the benefit of ring-airy technological assistance.

Omg, I am sick of people saying this. YOU NEVER SEE LASERS IN THE SW MOVIES. Blasters are actually high focused particle beams. THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY LASERS.

*LASERS in SW. He incorrectly calls them plasma weapons. Its obvous he got that tidbit from the Historty Channel. IM going to start with minor points and end with the heavy hitters.

Now if we are talking about the alleged lasers seen in movies and the Clone Wars, which I already established are actually particle weapons, yes some "lasers" are plasma-based. All the "laser" weapons used by the republic in the movies/tv shows, are plasma based particle weaponry. That's why they are blue as opposed to lasers used by Rebels, Empire etc.

Lasers are a beam of coherent light. They are in SW as well. They are used in sniper rifles. To many people confuse lasers with blasters.

Yes they are indeed LASERs, if you just skimmed through my response you should check it through again especially the parts involving LASERs in real life and LASERs in SW.

Black Knight....

erm... there's a lot in your post, I'll just leave this tidbit in regards to lasers:

c = 3 * 10^8 m/s

In real life C is not a constant... Besides we are talking about altered LASERs. The process in which they are bottled with synthetic magnetism or turned into hard light may very well alter they rate of travel.

Only thing that could repair the damage is Darth Sidious, maybe Yoda.

Well first off, that lore is no longer valid. Also anything Sid or Yoda could do, Luke could do and then some.

IM also neutral on his point that ships would not manuver like what we see in SW films.

Then you have a pretty poor grasp on physics. George didn't care about proper physics, he cared about the visual and emotional impact, so he made Star Wars fighter battles like the ones from WWII. In the real world ships would not preform like they do in the movies.

The best anyone has been able to do, is come up with this fairly obscure theory that somehow space is dense in the Star Wars universe.

1) Weapons called LASERs in SW are meant to be called LASERs because that is what they are.

As is pointed out, you really don't understand what a Laser really is based on the statements you've made here and other places. It's also abundantly clear that what they use in SW are not lasers.

1) The Lore is not invalid, one of the writers of the new tv show said that the older material is canon until seen contradicted and even then it can still be canon just not the fine details.

2)Luke can not do everything Sidious can do "and better" unless he wants to be damned to hell because he would have to practice using lots of different sith abilities that would be super morally conflicting.

3)Yes I understand what LASERs are, IVE been studying the field for very very long time, even then its clear they are LASERs, please read everything I wrote about the LASER subject in my post. IVE got two SW authorities that happen to have a heavy background in ether theoretical physics or space exploration that were allowed to write into the lore LASERs are LASERs.

So again please read everything I wrote about LASERs and or even look up the advances in LASER or Light technology I mentioned.

In a dogfight, a non-newtonian physics following ship will lose to a newtonian physics ship every time, especially with fixed forward firing weapons. The ability to swing your ship around and fire or maneuver in any direction is a massive advantage, not a disadvantage.

Again, see B5 Starfuries (dedicated space superiority fighters) utterly wrecking fighters designed for dual atmospheric and space combat.

Also, if you've ever played Escape Velocity: Nova, most ships are physics bound. A few are not. Those ships that aren't are very hard to fly and hit things that can change vectors in a fraction of the time you can, unless you have turrets.

In case you're wondering, I'm talking about the Vell-Os "ships" mostly, which aren't ships but telekinetic constructs that enables a powerful TP to fly himself through space. It's a great game by the way.

Whoever said being able to 180wtfpwn your foes was a disadvantage?

More accurately who needs a slap in the face?

Whoever said being able to 180wtfpwn your foes was a disadvantage?

More accurately who needs a slap in the face?

Gosric a couple posts up postulated it could be done, I was just saying it'd be a terrible idea lol.

*L* But i didnt say it was better just that with sufficient tech advantage it could be feasible

See most the LASERs used in SW are more than likely powerful LASER beams encased in a synthetic magnetic bottle which helps protect the Beam / bolt from enemy ecm or at least prevents the effects caused by ecm. It also helps with gudiance of the bolt hence why youll see it come out diffrent directions other than straight out the barrel. Bottling the beam also helps prevent dramatic energy loss of the beam as apossed to leting a naked LASER traveling through space without the benefit of ring-airy technological assistance.

Omg, I am sick of people saying this. YOU NEVER SEE LASERS IN THE SW MOVIES. Blasters are actually high focused particle beams. THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY LASERS.

*LASERS in SW. He incorrectly calls them plasma weapons. Its obvous he got that tidbit from the Historty Channel. IM going to start with minor points and end with the heavy hitters.

Now if we are talking about the alleged lasers seen in movies and the Clone Wars, which I already established are actually particle weapons, yes some "lasers" are plasma-based. All the "laser" weapons used by the republic in the movies/tv shows, are plasma based particle weaponry. That's why they are blue as opposed to lasers used by Rebels, Empire etc.

Lasers are a beam of coherent light. They are in SW as well. They are used in sniper rifles. To many people confuse lasers with blasters.

Yes they are indeed LASERs, if you just skimmed through my response you should check it through again especially the parts involving LASERs in real life and LASERs in SW.

Black Knight....

erm... there's a lot in your post, I'll just leave this tidbit in regards to lasers:

c = 3 * 10^8 m/s

In real life C is not a constant... Besides we are talking about altered LASERs. The process in which they are bottled with synthetic magnetism or turned into hard light may very well alter they rate of travel.

Only thing that could repair the damage is Darth Sidious, maybe Yoda.

Well first off, that lore is no longer valid. Also anything Sid or Yoda could do, Luke could do and then some.

IM also neutral on his point that ships would not manuver like what we see in SW films.

Then you have a pretty poor grasp on physics. George didn't care about proper physics, he cared about the visual and emotional impact, so he made Star Wars fighter battles like the ones from WWII. In the real world ships would not preform like they do in the movies.

The best anyone has been able to do, is come up with this fairly obscure theory that somehow space is dense in the Star Wars universe.

1) Weapons called LASERs in SW are meant to be called LASERs because that is what they are.

As is pointed out, you really don't understand what a Laser really is based on the statements you've made here and other places. It's also abundantly clear that what they use in SW are not lasers.

1) The Lore is not invalid, one of the writers of the new tv show said that the older material is canon until seen contradicted and even then it can still be canon just not the fine details.

2)Luke can not do everything Sidious can do "and better" unless he wants to be damned to hell because he would have to practice using lots of different sith abilities that would be super morally conflicting.

3)Yes I understand what LASERs are, IVE been studying the field for very very long time, even then its clear they are LASERs, please read everything I wrote about the LASER subject in my post. IVE got two SW authorities that happen to have a heavy background in ether theoretical physics or space exploration that were allowed to write into the lore LASERs are LASERs.

So again please read everything I wrote about LASERs and or even look up the advances in LASER or Light technology I mentioned.

Dear Lord, I will now quote from the Wookieepedia:

Blasters were a considerable improvement over the archaic laser design. Instead of a coherent beam of light, the blaster fired a compressed, focused, high-energy particle-beam that was very destructive, commonly referred to as a "bolt." The composition and characteristics of the blaster bolt could vary depending on the means used to produce it.

The less common blaster was a plasma-based design, like those used by the Grand Army of the Republic. Plasma-based blasters were effective against all targets, but even more so against droids because of the nature of plasma as a superheated, ionized gas. Droids were vulnerable to ion energy, so ion weapons are a natural choice against a droid army. This explained the use of the BlasTech DC-series in the Clone Wars.

In plasma-based blasters, a high-energy gas (tibanna gas, for example, used in the BlasTech DC-series) would move from the gas chamber into another chamber where it was altered into a plasma state. It was then released from a magnetic "bottle" effect through the collimating components. This turned the mass of plasma gas and energy into a coherent energy beam as a coherent energy bolt of light and plasma. This combination of light and plasma formed the deadly bolt fired from a blaster.

The more common type was the blaster that fired a high-energy particle beam that was more deadly to humanoids and other biological targets than superheated plasma (which was quite deadly anyway), but still effective enough against droids to put a B1 battle droid down and keep it down. Particle-beam types were also more efficient because they used less blaster gas to produce the beam than was necessary to form a plasma bolt, as plasma, as a state of matter, required a far greater amount of energy to produce.

In particle-beam-based blasters, like the E-11 used by stormtroopers, a small amount of high-energy gas moved from the Heter valve to the chamber commonly called the XCiter. In the XCiter chamber, the gas was energized by the power pack, then passed into the actuating blaster module, which, when assisted by the components in the barrel, processed the now extremely high-energy gas into a compressed beam of intense energy particles, coupled with intense light, which generated the deadly high-energy particle beam fired from most blasters. In these blasters, the combination of super hot laser light and a compressed bolt of intense energy particles formed the deadly bolt.

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