Will X-Wing Minis ever make ships from the Prequels?

By Kingsguard, in X-Wing

@Vorpal Sword. We weren't asking you to identify the pieces, we already established that. We asked about the whole thing. Put it to a yes/no response only to the question "Do you like the two trilogies that constitute Lucas's foundation of Star Wars". You like half of them, now I guess it comes down to a glass half full or half empty. Which one is it? And you've already admitted the half you like is flawed, which I commend you for, with honor and respect. Thank you for being real about them. But all that on the table, your answer is still yes I like the whole thing? Or no. But as an extraneous aside, you did like where it was going.

I think what Vorpal was saying, and what many of us feel, is that yes - we like the star wars universe... BUT, we often do so in spite of parts of the prequels, portions of the EU, and parts of the original movies. It's a false choice to make someone decide whether they like or don't like every part of something so massive as this universe. We don't have to like every part of this thing in order to count ourselves as fans. Just because you can phrase the question to make it seem like a binary choice - (yes or no), doesn't mean that there isn't a gradient to how much people like star wars, or what parts they like.

TLDR: making someone choose between whether they like every component of a complex, vast story, or don't like any part of it, is a badly constructed question, and patently unfair.

The reality is that there is a clear distinction between the two trilogies. Asking someone to take them or leave them, treating them as one indivisible unit is not reasonable.

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No please, see my topic, greettings.

No please, see my topic, greettings.

Yeah, apologies Kaxel. Looks like the thread is pretty thoroughly hijacked. Always happens with these prequel threads, you know.

Greettings, though.

@Vorpal Sword. We weren't asking you to identify the pieces, we already established that. We asked about the whole thing. Put it to a yes/no response only to the question "Do you like the two trilogies that constitute Lucas's foundation of Star Wars". You like half of them, now I guess it comes down to a glass half full or half empty. Which one is it?

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The whole point of my post (and of Babaganoosh's excellent addition) was that there's no reason to draw lines around fandom this way. You and I apparently draw different conclusions when asked to evaluate various bits of Star Wars material, but we're both still Star Wars fans.

As for liking the primordial titanic mass of EU content? Well yeah I like it. The Vong are kind of an unwelcome sight but at least they give the Jedi a unique challenge in their lack of Force understanding and presence.

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Its like comics i'm a fan of marvel X-men in particular but because i like certain characters does not mean i have to like all of them i find the fantastic four dull as dish water for example, and they all have their share of terrible stories.

I'm a marvel fan but i don't have to love everything they do i can freely admit storylines like one more day suck hard.

I'm a starwars fan but the prequels suck, the holiday special sucked those two ewok movies sucked etc.

I like startrek but i cant stand the JJ reboots or the show enterprise.

I like B5 but the spin off series was terrible as were the last few movies they made.

Being a fan of something does not mean you have to like every aspect.

Its like comics i'm a fan of marvel X-men in particular but because i like certain characters does not mean i have to like all of them i find the fantastic four dull as dish water for example, and they all have their share of terrible stories.

I'm a marvel fan but i don't have to love everything they do i can freely admit storylines like one more day suck hard.

I'm a starwars fan but the prequels suck, the holiday special sucked those two ewok movies sucked etc.

I like startrek but i cant stand the JJ reboots or the show enterprise.

I like B5 but the spin off series was terrible as were the last few movies they made.

Being a fan of something does not mean you have to like every aspect.

Right; as a matter of fact, the people who dislike the prequels the most are typically fans of the original star wars. They were highly invested in the star wars universe as they knew it, and that made their disappointment that much keener when they didn't like the new movies. It's not to say that all original fans didn't like the prequels, but they had the most to be disappointed with when the new movies came out.

I like startrek but i cant stand... the show enterprise.

How much have you seen? It actually got pretty good after the 2nd episode of its last season.

Ewok TIE Fighter pilot i rest my case

No please, see my topic, greettings.

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Ewok TIE Fighter pilot i rest my case

Kettch or Kolot? I like both of those....

I don't really want to pigeonhole anyone into a group of legit/non based on which trilogy you liked more, but I feel it should be recognized that liking half a thing is not really liking it.

"I don't want to jam anyone into a category of fandom, but now I'll repeat that if you don't love the prequel trilogy you're not a real fan."

Yeah, this is the point that will stick in people's craw.

Maybe it's as you say, and it's a purely generational thing. I've heard that before, especially from people who are apologists for the PT. There are also a number of our friends on this forum who also greatly appreciate the PT and TCW. I'm somewhat ambivalent. I also like some pieces of the EU (Zahn) and not others (Anderson).

It seems like your definition of a true fan requires someone to be an uncritical zealot. I don't buy that at all.

I'm also not particularly fond of relativism; that everything depends upon your point of view (as Obi Wan Kenobi was alleging when he was covering up the lies he told Luke). I do think there is such a thing as good directing and bad directing, and while many of the actors in the PT are great actors, George was just too convinced of his own infallibility at that point in time. I do believe that there is real variation in the quality of the story that goes beyond one's opinion.

Also, there's a difference between being a fan of a gameworld and being a fan of how a particular story is told. Sure, one can influence the other, but they're still separable. I'm a huge fan of the whole gameworld. I even plotted out a network of the hyperroutes in the Star Wars galaxy and created an engine that will allow you to figure out how long it would take you to get from one place to another (see here). I've also working on figuring out deckplans for a Star Destroyer, and I have put a LOT of energy into playing the roleplaying game.

Are you seriously saying I'm not a true fan of Star Wars because I think that Jar Jar Binks needs to be cruelly murdered and have his body dumped in a Hutt's latrine? I'd say that my enthusiasm for that fate for Jar Jar is there because I am a true fan of Star Wars.

I like startrek but i cant stand... the show enterprise.

How much have you seen? It actually got pretty good after the 2nd episode of its last season.

I'm a trekie i've seen every episode of every season , it did get better but then fell apart on the last episode i felt.

But it was pretty bad and i cant even rank it above voyager and well...voyager thats a show with deep deep problems.

I like startrek but i cant stand... the show enterprise.

How much have you seen? It actually got pretty good after the 2nd episode of its last season.

I'm a trekie i've seen every episode of every season , it did get better but then fell apart on the last episode i felt.

But it was pretty bad and i cant even rank it above voyager and well...voyager thats a show with deep deep problems.

Three points

1. According to ForceSensitive you must love Enterprise to your core in order to be a true fan. :P

2. I actually liked Enterprise, but I lost track of it. Voyager not so much, but I think Kate Mulgrew is awesome in Orange is the New Black.

3. Are you allowed to be both a trekkie and a ... warsie? This is really a question of core identity, and you MUST choose sides. :lol:

Heck even she didnt like how janeway was written apparently the writers had a hard time deciding how she should act and so she's very bi polar going from upstanding captain to homicidal maniac.

Also i hate how seven got a pass for doing the exact same thing as Wesley crusher just because she wore a tight costume, seven was always right and janeway was always wrong.

As for fandoms i always likes wars more but then the prequels happened and for years i could'nt look at anything starwars it hurt too much.

, it did get better but then fell apart on the last episode i felt.

Well yeah, that is true. It went seriously off the rails for the finale. I think I remember reading that even the actors were bad mouthing that episode before it aired. But I loved all the multi part arcs in the last season that showed the early stirrings of the federation, you just had to wade through 3 seasons of almost complete garbage to get there. Sigh.

Any way, Star Wars.

Before I post this I would like to say I'm old school and have no love for the prequels. I truly believe that FFG will put whatever they believe will sell into this game. What kills me are the people who say all prequel related items are off limits. I collect the Star Wars black series six inch figures as well and guess what walgreens has as an exclusive? An eighteen inch tall Darh Maul. A series that was released with new Rebels characters as well as OT characters. In wal mart I also noticed not one but two Jedi star fighter toys, one from episode one and one from episode two, in the new packaging. So I guess the fact that nothing prequel related is being put out is only true "from a certain point of view".

I like startrek but i cant stand... the show enterprise.

How much have you seen? It actually got pretty good after the 2nd episode of its last season.

I'm a trekie i've seen every episode of every season , it did get better but then fell apart on the last episode i felt.

But it was pretty bad and i cant even rank it above voyager and well...voyager thats a show with deep deep problems.

Bro, DON'T DIS VOYAGER!!!!!!!!!!

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I agree with you on Enterprise though. The only thing I use it for is those plasma weapons. Voyager and DS9 are the bests.

I like startrek but i cant stand... the show enterprise.

How much have you seen? It actually got pretty good after the 2nd episode of its last season.

I'm a trekie i've seen every episode of every season , it did get better but then fell apart on the last episode i felt.

But it was pretty bad and i cant even rank it above voyager and well...voyager thats a show with deep deep problems.

Three points

1. According to ForceSensitive you must love Enterprise to your core in order to be a true fan. :P

2. I actually liked Enterprise, but I lost track of it. Voyager not so much, but I think Kate Mulgrew is awesome in Orange is the New Black.

3. Are you allowed to be both a trekkie and a ... warsie? This is really a question of core identity, and you MUST choose sides. :lol:

1. Force Sensitive is just wrong.

2. You are just wrong about Enterprise and Voyager. You are right about Kate Mulgrew (awesome person)

3. Yes you can, I am a Trekkie and a Warsie, call me a bi-polar psychopath if you think you have to pick. :lol:

Honestly though, most people that come from TNG/DS9/Voy are immensely disappointed with Enterprise. Someone once phrased it really well, "TNG took a huge leap off of TOS, DS9 took another huge leap off TNG, Voyager took a huge leap off DS9 although not as large, and Enterprise fell flat on its face."