The prequels get a lot of hate around here, but actually I'd like to see the N1 and Droid Star Fighters and also the ships from the Star Wars Starfighter game (has it on PS2) but let our wallets recover from wave 5 and aces first pls

The only reason why the Prequels get a lot of hate around here is because people grew up. If they didn't have Original Trilogy Star Wars when they grew up, and are adults now. (most cases not all cases.) The Original Trilogy would be getting the same hate just like the prequels if most people watches Star Wars with adult eyes.

I really do hope we get some prequels. I think a lot of people want them. You know what they say, it's the Internet Minority that is the loudest. So I am guessing it's the Internet Majority that is quiet that want the Prequel ships.

Let's not go down the "Prequels vs. OT movies" path. It only leads to anger, and hate. Let's focus on where the ships belong.

I get that fans of those films and the stories that grew up around them want to see their ships on the table. But shoehorning them in as refurbished antiques, with little to no precedent for their presence in the rebellion-era EU, hardly seems like a fair deal for anybody.

If your love for these ships is lore/fluff based, why do you want to see them so completely out of their setting, which is the Clone Wars era? I realize it's logical to imagine that there are extant examples of all the craft of the Clone Wars still kicking around during the Rebellion era, but their heyday was the Clone Wars, and that's where they would really shine in a game.

In a clone wars setting, you would have access to all the droid, clone and Jedi pilots these craft had, and you wouldn't have to make excuses for their appearance and clash with entrenched OT fans. And those fans have a good point too. From a lore perspective, there is little concrete evidence that Clone Wars era ships were used in the Rebellion era, Y-Wing aside. There are no ARC-170s, V-Wings, V-19s, Eta-2s etc. in evidence in any of the movies, and a vast majority of the EU games and literature. From their perspective, these ships are an unwelcome intrusion.

They are actual, cannon StarWars ships, some of which were pretty cool. Isn't that enough to justify including them?

They are actual, cannon StarWars ships, some of which were pretty cool. Isn't that enough to justify including them?

They'd be justified in a clone wars era game, for sure. For a game set in the rebellion era, it is a reach to justify them. How long a reach that is has been hashed out endlessly in these forums already.

I wonder if it would be a wise economical decision to make them. On one hand you have the fans of those ships who will but them, on the other hand the players who will resent them. Just imagine what the boards would look like after wave prequel was announced. And, I also doubt that FFG's decision makers are themselves prequel movie fans; that has to have a bearing on this issue too.

Christian Petersen, the CEO of FFG, has said multiple times--most recently at GenCon this year--that they don't anticipate making prequel ships.

Yep. And Lucas said he would never let anyone else make Star Wars movies. Funny how millions of dollars can change peoples minds.

Please. If Lucas did it for the money, he would've gotten more. They didn't just get Lucasfilm, they got ILM, Skywalker Sound, and Lucasarts (good riddance), and probably a whole lot more. They didn't just buy Star Wars, they bought Lucas's empire.

I would hope we get a prequel game eventually.

Christian Petersen, the CEO of FFG, has said multiple times--most recently at GenCon this year--that they don't anticipate making prequel ships.

Yep. And Lucas said he would never let anyone else make Star Wars movies. Funny how millions of dollars can change peoples minds.

The thread title is "Will X-Wing Minis ever make ships from the Prequels?" It seemed relevant that FFG representatives all the way up to the CEO have said the answer is no.

You can discount that if you like, of course; there are lots of people who believe lots of crazy things. But I know which side of things would get my money if it came to a wager.

The prequels get a lot of hate around here, but actually I'd like to see the N1 and Droid Star Fighters and also the ships from the Star Wars Starfighter game (has it on PS2) but let our wallets recover from wave 5 and aces first pls

The only reason why the Prequels get a lot of hate around here is because people grew up. If they didn't have Original Trilogy Star Wars when they grew up, and are adults now. (most cases not all cases.) The Original Trilogy would be getting the same hate just like the prequels if most people watches Star Wars with adult eyes.

I really do hope we get some prequels. I think a lot of people want them. You know what they say, it's the Internet Minority that is the loudest. So I am guessing it's the Internet Majority that is quiet that want the Prequel ships.

Let's not go down the "Prequels vs. OT movies" path. It only leads to anger, and hate. Let's focus on where the ships belong.

I get that fans of those films and the stories that grew up around them want to see their ships on the table. But shoehorning them in as refurbished antiques, with little to no precedent for their presence in the rebellion-era EU, hardly seems like a fair deal for anybody.

If your love for these ships is lore/fluff based, why do you want to see them so completely out of their setting, which is the Clone Wars era? I realize it's logical to imagine that there are extant examples of all the craft of the Clone Wars still kicking around during the Rebellion era, but their heyday was the Clone Wars, and that's where they would really shine in a game.

In a clone wars setting, you would have access to all the droid, clone and Jedi pilots these craft had, and you wouldn't have to make excuses for their appearance and clash with entrenched OT fans. And those fans have a good point too. From a lore perspective, there is little concrete evidence that Clone Wars era ships were used in the Rebellion era, Y-Wing aside. There are no ARC-170s, V-Wings, V-19s, Eta-2s etc. in evidence in any of the movies, and a vast majority of the EU games and literature. From their perspective, these ships are an unwelcome intrusion.

It's a game? It's for enjoyment. We are already using our imagination for lasers that go "pew pew" Who cares if these ships are 30 years obsolete. Are you telling me that all the rules in X-wing are real and we can't subvert our imagination? I am sure especially with all these cards we are using our imagination and a lot of the rules on the cards really don't represent real life.

So why bring in real life mechanic of saying something is 30 years old it can't be shouldn't be used because it doesn't make sense in real life. Clone Wars setting, Star Wars setting EU setting, it's all STAR WARS, so it shouldn't make a difference.

Star Wars is Star Wars. Hell lets go one better. Technology hasn't changed in over a 1000 years with Knights of the Old Republic. So what is a mere 30 years compared to the 1000 years for KotR?

It is unlikely that we will see a Prequel era game. It is reasonable that we may see more prequel era ships that were still being used during the Rebellion era (this rules out the N-1 but means that the ARC-170 is possible). The Z-95 is an example of this.

The prequels get a lot of hate around here, but actually I'd like to see the N1 and Droid Star Fighters and also the ships from the Star Wars Starfighter game (has it on PS2) but let our wallets recover from wave 5 and aces first pls

The only reason why the Prequels get a lot of hate around here is because people grew up. If they didn't have Original Trilogy Star Wars when they grew up, and are adults now. (most cases not all cases.) The Original Trilogy would be getting the same hate just like the prequels if most people watches Star Wars with adult eyes.

I really do hope we get some prequels. I think a lot of people want them. You know what they say, it's the Internet Minority that is the loudest. So I am guessing it's the Internet Majority that is quiet that want the Prequel ships.

Let's not go down the "Prequels vs. OT movies" path. It only leads to anger, and hate. Let's focus on where the ships belong.

I get that fans of those films and the stories that grew up around them want to see their ships on the table. But shoehorning them in as refurbished antiques, with little to no precedent for their presence in the rebellion-era EU, hardly seems like a fair deal for anybody.

If your love for these ships is lore/fluff based, why do you want to see them so completely out of their setting, which is the Clone Wars era? I realize it's logical to imagine that there are extant examples of all the craft of the Clone Wars still kicking around during the Rebellion era, but their heyday was the Clone Wars, and that's where they would really shine in a game.

In a clone wars setting, you would have access to all the droid, clone and Jedi pilots these craft had, and you wouldn't have to make excuses for their appearance and clash with entrenched OT fans. And those fans have a good point too. From a lore perspective, there is little concrete evidence that Clone Wars era ships were used in the Rebellion era, Y-Wing aside. There are no ARC-170s, V-Wings, V-19s, Eta-2s etc. in evidence in any of the movies, and a vast majority of the EU games and literature. From their perspective, these ships are an unwelcome intrusion.

It's a game? It's for enjoyment. We are already using our imagination for lasers that go "pew pew" Who cares if these ships are 30 years obsolete. Are you telling me that all the rules in X-wing are real and we can't subvert our imagination? I am sure especially with all these cards we are using our imagination and a lot of the rules on the cards really don't represent real life.

So why bring in real life mechanic of saying something is 30 years old it can't be shouldn't be used because it doesn't make sense in real life. Clone Wars setting, Star Wars setting EU setting, it's all STAR WARS, so it shouldn't make a difference.

Star Wars is Star Wars. Hell lets go one better. Technology hasn't changed in over a 1000 years with Knights of the Old Republic. So what is a mere 30 years compared to the 1000 years for KotR?

Knight used the wrong aesthetic because the company wanted it to look closer to the OT, if you look at the comics where that period was invented it's much more primitive.

It's a game? It's for enjoyment. We are already using our imagination for lasers that go "pew pew" Who cares if these ships are 30 years obsolete. Are you telling me that all the rules in X-wing are real and we can't subvert our imagination? I am sure especially with all these cards we are using our imagination and a lot of the rules on the cards really don't represent real life.

So why bring in real life mechanic of saying something is 30 years old it can't be shouldn't be used because it doesn't make sense in real life. Clone Wars setting, Star Wars setting EU setting, it's all STAR WARS, so it shouldn't make a difference.

Star Wars is Star Wars. Hell lets go one better. Technology hasn't changed in over a 1000 years with Knights of the Old Republic. So what is a mere 30 years compared to the 1000 years for KotR?

I don't know that FFG has the same attitude about the setting of X-wing. They've explicitly said that their focus is rebellion era forward, and printing a wave of prequel ships doesn't seem to fit that focus. Granted, you can make a case for Prequel ships existing in the rebellion era, and if you don't care about restrictions of time, then there is a ton of ships FFG could print.

So, FFG can make a prequel wave if they want to. But do they want to? Right now, all signs are that they are not really interested in prequel era. Not for X-wing, and not for any of their other star wars themed games, as far as I can tell. Are they making a mistake? Maybe, but they're doing just fine overall at this point. I think a major part of their calculus in X-wing may be: "Don't mess with a good thing".

I wish we would quantify the demand for prequel ships. I don't like making gut-feeling assertions about this sort of thing. Maybe some intrepid board member will make an online poll to find out what our community actually feels about this matter. Because just how there is a vocal minority railing against prequel ships, there is a similar community advocating for them. So I don't know if we want them or not at this point.

But anyway, if you're using your imagination so much, I'm sure you won't find it too difficult to apply it to the creation of your own prequel ships to play amongst friends. I know I can't help but speculate on what my favorite neglected ships would look like on the table (Skipray Blastboat, cough cough). More power to anyone who actually does write up their own rules and plays with them!

All I'm really saying is that despite the case for justifying prequel ships, I don't see any signs of them being considered, and I do see signs that FFG is not interested in the prequel era in general.

The answer to the original question is yes.

Yes, FFG has put out ships from prequels and yes, they will put out ships in the prequels, if they are relevant to the game and the Rebellion Era, which is the time period that the X-Wing miniatures game is set in. Here are the prequel releases so far:

• YT-1300 light freighter
• YT-2400 light freighter
• Y-Wing
• HWK-290 light freighter
• CR90 corvette
• GR-75 medium transport
• Firespray-31-class patrol and attack craft

The answer to the original question is yes.

Yes, FFG has put out ships from prequels and yes, they will put out ships in the prequels, if they are relevant to the game and the Rebellion Era, which is the time period that the X-Wing miniatures game is set in. Here are the prequel releases so far:

• YT-1300 light freighter
• YT-2400 light freighter
• Y-Wing
• HWK-290 light freighter
• CR90 corvette
• GR-75 medium transport
• Firespray-31-class patrol and attack craft

Exactly. If the ship was used in the prequel era, and notably used in the rebellion era, then sure we'll see it. Your examples are perfect, and we can also include the Z-95. Those are all ships that were around for the clone wars and had continued, documented usage through the Rebellion--not just a footnote in some obscure document that says they were used.

The new show Rebels may bridge the gap a little bit and include some of these old clone wars era stuff, and if that happens we may then see it in X-Wing Miniatures.

I stand by my guess that if the ship wasn't notably used at the same time as the x-wing, then we won't see it in this game, because this game is called X-Wing miniatures. The game designers have stated themselves that they are unlikely to include prequel ships that didn't appear in the rebellion era, and I would guess that is the reason why.

It would be like having P-38 Lightnings fight against MiG-15s. They were only used a couple years apart, but it would make no sense at all to have a game where they fought against each other.

Christian Petersen, the CEO of FFG, has said multiple times--most recently at GenCon this year--that they don't anticipate making prequel ships.

Thank the Lord!

I honestly only like the V-wing.

Christian Petersen, the CEO of FFG, has said multiple times--most recently at GenCon this year--that they don't anticipate making prequel ships.

Thank the Lord!

I honestly only like the V-wing.

Issue is we have the a-wing already they are very similar and they'd have to do something different to make them worth adding.

Christian Petersen, the CEO of FFG, has said multiple times--most recently at GenCon this year--that they don't anticipate making prequel ships.

Thank the Lord!

I honestly only like the V-wing.

Issue is we have the a-wing already they are very similar and they'd have to do something different to make them worth adding.

V-wings are slower and have an Astromech but no missiles.

Lets keep in mind that the game already has Z-95s, X-Wings and E-wings all of which are similar in appearance and armament.

Christian Petersen, the CEO of FFG, has said multiple times--most recently at GenCon this year--that they don't anticipate making prequel ships.

Thank the Lord!

I honestly only like the V-wing.

Issue is we have the a-wing already they are very similar and they'd have to do something different to make them worth adding.

V-wings are slower and have an Astromech but no missiles.

Lets keep in mind that the game already has Z-95s, X-Wings and E-wings all of which are similar in appearance and armament.

Which would cause problems because your then adding astromechs to imperials which means people will moan about all factions becoming the same.

Two new factions solves that. As players across the net have already pointed out.

And get over the 'final word' that we'll never get prequel content. The Gen-con interview is their current stance for the next eighteen months roughly. Two years from now if the game is still alive and well, and it ought be with the publicity boost the new trilogy will give it, they may very well change that stance. The only thing stopping them are Star Wars fans who hate Star Wars, who shouldn't be listened to in the first place(i.e. because they like hate half of the movies. Not sure how that qualifies you as a legit 'fan' of the whole SW Universe, but what ever. They LOVE the other half so I guess we're stuck with 'em).

When the younger generation gets a tiny bit older and the new generation that will see the new Trilogy start catching up on the whole series, the fan base will begin flooding with people who also want ALL the ships. And if FFG doesn't start producing the demanded content at that time, to be perfectly honest, they will start to appear as stick up the a** as their competitor GW.

Which would cause problems because your then adding astromechs to imperials which means people will moan about all factions becoming the same.

And really? Y-wings are potentially getting bombs. E-wings with PTL, R2, and Engine Upgrade are Squints but better. Anyone complain about that? Hobojeebs, I much respect you bro, but be real with me, cross faction abilities, upgrades, and ships are inevitable. Perspective man. Level with me here.

And really? Y-wings are potentially getting bombs. E-wings with PTL, R2, and Engine Upgrade are Squints but better. Anyone complain about that? Hobojeebs, I much respect you bro, but be real with me, cross faction abilities, upgrades, and ships are inevitable. Perspective man. Level with me here.

Yes people have been complaining about two factions using the same ships, people have complained about the droids belonging to the rebels not being usable with S&V.

And its really not fans stopping prequel stuff its disney who are actively putting a stop to any product linked to the prequels if its not already in production disney is withholding their approval.

And get over the 'final word' that we'll never get prequel content. The Gen-con interview is their current stance for the next eighteen months roughly. Two years from now if the game is still alive and well, and it ought be with the publicity boost the new trilogy will give it, they may very well change that stance. The only thing stopping them are Star Wars fans who hate Star Wars, who shouldn't be listened to in the first place(i.e. because they like hate half of the movies. Not sure how that qualifies you as a legit 'fan' of the whole SW Universe, but what ever. They LOVE the other half so I guess we're stuck with 'em).

So there's a legitimacy to fandom now? You're saying that loving the OT so much that the PT is sacrilege Is an illegitimate point of view? How is that point of view not just a mirror image of those who say that liking anything to do with the PT is an illegitimate opinion?

When the younger generation gets a tiny bit older and the new generation that will see the new Trilogy start catching up on the whole series, the fan base will begin flooding with people who also want ALL the ships. And if FFG doesn't start producing the demanded content at that time, to be perfectly honest, they will start to appear as stick up the a** as their competitor GW.

I think you're right that as a certain generation comes of age, their needs will be catered to. I'm just wondering, however, that as they do mature, they'll not come to share the opinion that the OT is a superior set of movies. I honestly don't know the answer to that.

I also think you're right that we can't know what FFG will do in the future. It seems like they do rotate their design teams. Also, we don't know what Disney will allow in the future.

Please, don't misunderstand. Fandom is a driving force of any fictional universe. Once it's brought to life an idea can only be sustained by the very breath of those who appreciate it and keep it alive even just by talking about it. Good media producers recognize this, hence "Sequels: The Hollywood" as I like to call it. This game would not have been produced if not for a fandom one could say.

I don't really want to pigeonhole anyone into a group of legit/non based on which trilogy you liked more, but I feel it should be recognized that liking half a thing is not really liking it. It's like saying I liked the steak, but that mashed potatoes and corn weren't buttered enough. So basically then the meal on the whole was unsatisfying to you. Well admit that. That is a fine opinion. If you don't like half of SW, then how can you really like it at all? You HATE the other HALF! And that's where this argument will keep looping back on prequel content. Half want it, cool, yeah, heres my money. The other half please-god-no-does-not-want. One half isn't out voted per se, just out voiced. And we have to somehow share this bit of gaming space when one sides not budging.

But here's the rub, to the producer of a product, you not liking the thing I'm producing should not be a factor. I'm not selling it to you afterall. There is a market that could provide a profit to the producer of this prequel portion of the game. So make that part of the game. Make the money. Make people happy. That's where I was going with that. That's why you don't listen to non-full-series fans, they are market only for, ironically and go figure, half your potential product line. It just sucks that they won't want any of it. Maybe you'll bring them around though, but they'll resist mightily.

As for whether new-gen will like the OT? I fear they are going to think exactly as they ought: It was fun, but not that good, maybe even really bad. And here's my thinking. They grew up with awesome special effects, yes even in their PTSW. Your going to watch them sit down to OT and they are going to look at Yoda once and be like "wow, these effects are awful". The animatronics, models, and muppets, and what not were 'state of the art' and cool for us back then, not for them now. They are going to come this OT much like we came to PT, older and wiser. When they realize that Luke and Leia are siblings and Vader is their father? Oh man, they will have some interesting views on that family. Especially when they realize this is now a Disney product! These are brave new world 21st century internet raised kids. And they are going to look at us older gen guys and be all like "Twincest!? Abusive dad!? WTF!?". And we won't have ANYthing to say about that but shrug quietly. They'll get a kick out of Ewoks though....As they sit around bashing the entire Battle of Endor. I can just hear them gufawing "I was a chicken walker once, then I took a log to the knees!" And damnit I can't fault them.

I think Disney will absolutely allow it in the future. To put it in plain and simple terms, somewhat morbidly, maybe you've heard the phrase before. They are waiting for us old guys to die. I for one would rather them not wait on me. I'm a full series fan anyway. I'm in both target markets. But I am only in this one game, stuck here with all the rest.

Disney will do anything for money remember all those terrible sequels to classic animations, they force pixar to make crappy sequels to sell toys.

Yet they want nothing to do with the prequels, absorb that for a minute a company with standards low enough to force a film like planes on a studio want nothing to do with the prequels.

Star wars OT has stood the test of time already it's inspired generations, you ask someone to describe a character from the prequels they'll describe the actor not the role because it was all so very bland and unremarkable.

Id have to disagree. I think it is perfectly feasible to like a world without automatically liking everythng in it. I am all about the Rebel vs Empire war, the tropes of pulp SF and the good/evil conflict. I even like a fair bit of the EU

But that doesnt mean i have to like Jar Jar, The godawful scripts and the half assed design work by a team that isnt fit to lick Cantwell and Dykstras boots.

In fact i would even be willing to say that (assuming ones level of appreciation is what makes one a fan) since i care so much about the root worlds of SW and am completely offended at the puerile disintegration of the universe i love. That makes me a better fan than some who just blindly accept it.*L*

Its funny to me that the people who like the original trilogy dont tend to spend a lot of time complaining about the fans who like both. But the Prequel fans are almost always ready to go on the attack when someone insults their beloved JarJar

And yes. Like most things i do the above statements are slightly tongue in cheek

That would be cool, but I doubt it would happen. If they did, it would be a different game. It does say in the description that this game follows the original Trilogy.

I don't really want to pigeonhole anyone into a group of legit/non based on which trilogy you liked more, but I feel it should be recognized that liking half a thing is not really liking it.

"I don't want to jam anyone into a category of fandom, but now I'll repeat that if you don't love the prequel trilogy you're not a real fan."

It's like saying I liked the steak, but that mashed potatoes and corn weren't buttered enough. So basically then the meal on the whole was unsatisfying to you. Well admit that.

Even your own analogy doesn't work: you can absolutely have a great steak with uninspired or poorly prepared sides, in which case your conclusion about the meal would be that... the steak was good but the sides weren't. It's neither hypocrisy nor a contradiction to recognize that some things are good and some things are not.

Moreover, are you saying you love everything in the Star Wars EU? Everything? Because that's a pretty bold statement, and if you're silly enough to endorse it I hope everyone who reads this spends the rest of the day posting Wookieepedia links to terrible and ridiculous corners of the Star Wars Universe.

I can love the original trilogy while admitting that it has problems. The narrative is satisfying overall, but particularly the first third of New Hope is abrupt and makes some odd leaps. The performances are uneven, particularly from Mark Hamill. The only lightsaber duel we get is pretty feeble. The effects range from excellent (most of the space scenes) to comical (the aforementioned lightsaber duel).

And by the same token, I can be a fan of the ideas, the overall narrative, and the universe without pretending I think everything in it is equally good. That extends to many things about the prequel trilogy; overall, they're simply not as good. (They're better than most of the EU, but that's not a high bar to get over.)

...all of which has very little bearing on the fact that no, as it looks now we're not getting miniatures representing ships introduced in the prequel films.

@Hobjeebus. No they don't want anything to do with the PT at this time. Still notable they wont touch it right now, granted. But believe you me they are only waiting. And I'm familiar with your 'describe the characters without using their jobs or roles' argument. And it hits both trilogies. The only reason the argument works is because if you see the OT so much the characters deeper concepts become more readily and easily identified. Watch the PT enough and suddenly Padme isn't just 'queen', she's an empathetic, natural born leader who is ready to take charge of a situation and get the job done when the chips are down. She is the type who doesn't like to be left back on the ship when there is a world she doesn't know outside to be explored. She is also capable of bringing others to her cause with dignity and words. All just like her daughter Leia go figure. Show someone the OT once and they will still identify Luke as Jedi trainee farmboy, which according to the premise of this argument you weren't allowed to say what their 'job' was. But I'm guessing you disagree. Star Wars OT has stood the test of time in our own memories and has inspired generations your right. But, future generations will be the true test. Lets hope they are as kind, for I fear they will be quite harsh.

@Gosric. Fair enough. I'll give you that. It's a who moved my cheese defense but it is valid even outside that. But I will say I find your mention of OT fans not complaining about fans of PT categorically false. It's almost always some one wants to enjoy their PT and some OT guy comes along and says 'aw those movies were terrible'. Then the poor PT kid has to go on the defensive. Not the attack, they didn't instigate that crap. But I'm guessing that was your tongue in cheek

@Vorpal Sword. We weren't asking you to identify the pieces, we already established that. We asked about the whole thing. Put it to a yes/no response only to the question "Do you like the two trilogies that constitute Lucas's foundation of Star Wars". You like half of them, now I guess it comes down to a glass half full or half empty. Which one is it? And you've already admitted the half you like is flawed, which I commend you for, with honor and respect. Thank you for being real about them. But all that on the table, your answer is still yes I like the whole thing? Or no. But as an extraneous aside, you did like where it was going.

As for liking the primordial titanic mass of EU content? Well yeah I like it. The Vong are kind of an unwelcome sight but at least they give the Jedi a unique challenge in their lack of Force understanding and presence.

And you agree with me anyway, as it looks now, we're not getting them anytime soon. But that doesn't say anything about what will be. Difficult to foresee, the future is.