Am I reading C-3PO Wrong?

By catachan23, in X-Wing

I have to ask because I hear this a lot: Threepio + Falcon can give you three evades per turn.

C-3po - "Once per round, before you roll 1 or more defense dice, you may guess aloud a number of [Evade] results. If you roll that many [Evade] results (before modifying dice), add 1 [Evade] result."

The way I am reading this is that you can use Threepio for ONE attack per turn, which is pretty clear.

The YT-1300 has 1 defense die. So once per turn you guess ZERO [Evade] results (which is what seems to be the common consensus).

You roll your 1 defense dice against the attack and get a [blank] result, so Threepio kicks in because you guessed correct and instead of a [blank], you add 1 [Evade] result to the 0 [Evades] that you naturally rolled.

Coupled with spending your action for the turn to use the Falcon title to gain 1 Evade token, that will give you a maximum of TWO evade for ONE attack.

If on that attack that you use Threepio you happen to roll a [Focus] result instead of a [blank] result, Threepio will still give you 1 [Evade] result because you still rolled 0 [Evade] on your 1 natural die.

However, if you had PTL onboard and Push'd (or received one from another source) a Focus token as well for that turn, you could use it to turn that [Focus] result into an additional [Evade], thus giving you the fabled 3 Evades for that ONE attack - because C-3PO allows you to modify your dice after his ability kicks in.

From what I am reading in people's comments on the Forums, it seems to me that there are many who are using C-3PO to roll the 1 die that the YT-1300 naturally rolls, counting any [Evade] results, PLUS rolling another die for C-3PO and counting any [Evade] results they gain by guessing 0 (plus 1 more if they happen to have a Focus token to turn a [Focus] result into another Evade).

The way I read the C-3PO card is that you roll your natural dice for the ship he is on (most often the YT-1300), you guess 0 [Evade] results and roll a natural [Evade] on the 1 die that the YT-1300 gets. Threepio does NOT work and you only get the one natural Evade on the attack. Two, if you used your action to get a Evade token from the Falcon title, or possibly three if you also happen to have had a Focus token as well.

Am I C-3PO wrong? If I am not, it seems to me that the "Fat Han" is not an insurmountable mountain may seem to believe he is.

The way I read the C-3PO card is that you roll your natural dice for the ship he is on (most often the YT-1300), you guess 0 [Evade] results and roll a natural [Evade] on the 1 die that the YT-1300 gets. Threepio does NOT work and you only get the one natural Evade on the attack. Two, if you used your action to get a Evade token from the Falcon title, or possibly three if you also happen to have had a Focus token as well.

Am I C-3PO wrong? If I am not, it seems to me that the "Fat Han" is not an insurmountable mountain may seem to believe he is.

You're reading it correctly. Threepio provides, at most, one additional evade result per game round.

You get 3 Evades by guessing 1 and rolling 1, plus your Evade token. Usually for late game when the hit may finish you, or at range 3 when rolling the bonus die and have 2 shots at 1 evade (pretty fair odds). The power comes from the automatic nature of the 2 evades if you just guess "zero," with the option for more as needed, and the ability to selectively use your token (such as to avoid triggering an enemy Gunner). One on one, it is exceptionally difficult to get more than 1 damage through which, with the huge pile of hull/shields the Falcon starts with and a 360 turret to always shoot back, makes them a huge challenge which is why there is so much hatred towards them.

Who would guess '1', though? That's putting the whole game on random chance - and NOT good odds, at that - you've got a 62.5% chance of ending up with zero evades, then, and only 37.5% chance of getting 2 evades.

Bad odds!

Who would guess '1', though? That's putting the whole game on random chance - and NOT good odds, at that - you've got a 62.5% chance of ending up with zero evades, then, and only 37.5% chance of getting 2 evades.

Bad odds!

You're right in general.

But suppose you're facing an ion cannon, which after modifying dice is showing three successes (hits + crits). Your only chance to avoid the shot is to take that 37.5% chance. It's a corner case, but it is a valid reason.

I guess I have always been in the camp of the 'Kill the YT first' because it is most often the biggest threat (and worth the most points) so the strategy hasn't changed.

Ever since Outmaneuver came out in Wave 4, the durability of Falcons have been easier to kill and as a bonus, Threepio can't kick in if they are rolling no dice.

I've used the Falcon with 3PO and guessed "1 evade." Sometimes you just plain feel lucky and others just getting 1 free evade will not cut it.