Wait until lando plus experimental interface starts becoming popular. Played against it the other day and it was super annoying.

Wait until lando plus experimental interface starts becoming popular. Played against it the other day and it was super annoying.

...and SUPER effective?

With how he was rolling? Yes. But it is super luck dependent...

And C-3PO isn't?

He rolled double evade with lando 3 times. Combined with the MF title he ate my 4 ship reb build alive.

And C-3PO isn't?

No 3PO isn't luck dependant at all you guess no evades, if it's a blank you get an evade if it's an evade you get an evade.

It's 100% assured to give you an evade.

Yeah its only luck dependant if you're trying for two evades by guessing one.

It's all well and good until he takes the stress only to roll blanks. Or double Focus (which is bad on a defensive roll of a 1 Agi ship).

OK....C-3PO isn't luck based if you play it like that, but I guess having 1 evade garunteed doesn't seem that bad to me. I usually mass firepower on the Falcon and 1 hit per shot isn't that bad.

OK....C-3PO isn't luck based if you play it like that, but I guess having 1 evade garunteed doesn't seem that bad to me. I usually mass firepower on the Falcon and 1 hit per shot isn't that bad.

Except at range three it can be one evade from 3PO plus an evade token and a chance for a third dodge.

With Hans ability plus gunner there are certain times when taking evade late game may be more beneficial than a focus or a boost.

With things like hull upgrade and shield upgrade they negate a hit once and are discarded, 3PO is giving you the same hit each turn he's used.

3PO can extend the life of a falcon quite a bit.

Except when you actually roll an Evade. I really do wish people playing against Threepio would keep track of when he actually triggers. I mean, it would be annoying for the Falcon to roll an evade whenever I attack, but that isn't what Threepio does.

It's all well and good until he takes the stress only to roll blanks. Or double Focus (which is bad on a defensive roll of a 1 Agi ship).

I don't think Lando will catch on in competitive lists because he's terribly inconsistent: 14% of the time you're spending an action to get nothing at all, and another 47% of the time he's just an extra action*. So at least with the Falcon, when you roll you're fishing for focus/evade or evade/evade, which together happen just 33% of the time.

Or, to put it another way, the cases where he makes a big difference are (a) really annoying when they come up in play, (b) aren't common enough that competitive players will want to count on them coming up, particularly at 6 points and filling up both a crew slot and a mod slot, and © come inextricably attached to the possibility of getting a stress with no benefit.

I could end up being horribly wrong on this point, but I really don't expect to see Lando lists proliferating--certainly not the way we see Threepio lists now.

He rolled double evade with lando 3 times. Combined with the MF title he ate my 4 ship reb build alive.

Sounds like you're basing this off one match with hot green dice, with the relative skill levels of you and your opponent being unknown and the dice gods on their side.

Unlike its currently infamous Engine Upgrade cousin, Experimental Interface Falcon leaves the Falcon permanently stressed if used every turn, hampering its mobility, and making it very easy to bear all guns on. And much easier to block.

Yeah, those times where Lando comes up blanks is going to turn people off from playing him, much like those who have had unfortunate results with Interceptors are hesitant to play them.

My thing with him on the Falcon is that he is either very good defensively, or somewhat good offensively. And it will just be too inconsistent for many players. If you need to turtle, but roll double Focuses, you are in trouble. If you need the offense, but roll double Evades, screwed again. Lando can be very good, but the way he swings will be too much of an factor for him to be consistently good.

Yeah, those times where Lando comes up blanks is going to turn people off from playing him, much like those who have had unfortunate results with Interceptors are hesitant to play them.

My thing with him on the Falcon is that he is either very good defensively, or somewhat good offensively. And it will just be too inconsistent for many players. If you need to turtle, but roll double Focuses, you are in trouble. If you need the offense, but roll double Evades, screwed again. Lando can be very good, but the way he swings will be too much of an factor for him to be consistently good.

This isn't about Landis swinging, in fact there are a pair of dancers on bespin that highly recommend him on this other forum I post on.

What about a full turtle buildout: 3P0, Lando, M.F. title, Ex.Int. for 9 pts (I think, 3, 3, 1, 2?)

Having a defensive like this would make it a tough nut to crack, but I'll take a stressed falcon over a Boosting Falcon anyday.

I'll choose Lando because he's hot and 3p0 is so very very not. Dweeb card for sure.

And C-3PO isn't?

No 3PO isn't luck dependant at all you guess no evades, if it's a blank you get an evade if it's an evade you get an evade.

It's 100% assured to give you an evade.

Yes, when you roll an evade you get an evade. Just like every other ship in the game, this has nothing to do with C3PO.

C3PO averages at 5/8's of an Evade once per turn for 3 points. PTL/EI (for example) gives you an entire extra action of your choice (and not 5/8th of a fixed action) at the cost of a stress. 3PO is overrated, Falcons have always been awesome.

I'll choose Lando because he's hot and 3p0 is so very very not. Dweeb card for sure.

I hear goldenrod likes the D adaptor.

What about a full turtle buildout: 3P0, Lando, M.F. title, Ex.Int. for 9 pts (I think, 3, 3, 1, 2?)

Having a defensive like this would make it a tough nut to crack, but I'll take a stressed falcon over a Boosting Falcon anyday.

For one thing, it's far easier to shut down: any list with Rebel Captive or R3-A2 is suddenly a major stumbling block. (Not incidentally, this is already true for the PTL variety of the current Fat Falcon.)

I'm running Lando and EI on Dash in the TC Open. I have a particular way I want to use him, but I agree that it's very expensive and what Vorpal Sword said is correct, that additional stress is going to cause him to struggle. For example, in my opening match, I was only able to use Lando once because my opponent had a nice counter list for him. Kyle is a cheaper and more reliable option.

Overall, it does make me think that people really need to figure out how to incorporate stress generating mechanics into their lists these days as action oriented builds become more fashionable and important, especially as we see a decreasing number of ships in lists.

Another version of this is the Jan (crew) with PTL. It can give you a reliable 3 evades (with C3P0, Millenium Falcon) on turns that you want to tank up and can afford to PTL. It also give you more flexibility, since you can use the PTL to get different actions when needed.

But.... you can have both Dash HLC Outrider, AND Lando C-3P0 crew!

Dash + HLC + Outrider

Chewie + C-3P0 + Lando + Millennium Falcon + Experimental Interface

It just somehow... feels wrong. So very wrong.

Another version of this is the Jan (crew) with PTL. It can give you a reliable 3 evades (with C3P0, Millenium Falcon) on turns that you want to tank up and can afford to PTL. It also give you more flexibility, since you can use the PTL to get different actions when needed.

Drop 3PO for Kyle Katarn. When you clear stress, trigger Jan to convert Kyle's focus to an evade. MF evade as an action, then PTL for something else. Gives you two guaranteed evades plus dice while still having an action left over. And against Rebel Captive, R3-A2, etc., you can still double evade (or single evade + another action).

What about a full turtle buildout: 3P0, Lando, M.F. title, Ex.Int. for 9 pts (I think, 3, 3, 1, 2?)

Having a defensive like this would make it a tough nut to crack, but I'll take a stressed falcon over a Boosting Falcon anyday.

and team him up with Biggs just for good measure