A fellow player from league (who happens to be a regional champion) has said that the game meta has shifted into more of a RPS state where having the right build is now more important then having the right plays in game. After reading the forums that appears to be the case where you got swarms beat falcon, falcon beats phantom, and phantom beats swarms.

Now some might call this balance but I tend to disagree. True while there is no unbeatable builds, I still think that builds should have a chance at winning even when at a disadvantage. Now I am not saying that certain builds should not be strong against other builds nor am I saying that builds should not have weaknesses. It is part of the theme and strategy when playing a game.

I am bringing this up because it seems like that's the state the game is in. And with a 3rd faction on its way will we see something like Imperial beats Scum, Scum beats Rebel, and Rebel beats Imperial. How do you think we can keep the balance and not have it where it depends on what faction or meta build that determines if you win before you start the game?

There's no balancing threesomes no matter which girl you start on the other gets a little upset, I find it best to let them get friendly first then join in.

I am bringing this up because it seems like that's the state the game is in.

Because you were told that, and most people when told this immediately jump to play the "broken" build, leading to an explosion in numbers. That's the problem, cries of OP are self-fulfilling prophecies.

There's no balancing threesomes no matter which girl you start on the other gets a little upset, I find it best to let them get friendly first then join in.

So...you'll throw a thread off-topic by suggesting a reference picture of a fully-armoured woman supporting herself against a wall is overly sexualised, but also throw a different thread off-topic by making a crude sex joke without even attempting to answer the OP's question?

You're a very confusing hobo, Jebus.

OP: I don't know about anyone else, but I bought the tiny plastic ships to have fun. So far, it's been working. I don't a feel a need to go on a crusade to convince people that the primary purpose of a game is to enjoy it with friends. Monopoly is broken as all higgilty, but it's still fun now and again. I have no interest in changing the minds of people who think a game's true value can only be it's utility as a competitive sport.

There's no balancing threesomes no matter which girl you start on the other gets a little upset, I find it best to let them get friendly first then join in.

So...you'll throw a thread off-topic by suggesting a reference picture of a fully-armoured woman supporting herself against a wall is overly sexualised, but also throw a different thread off-topic by making a crude sex joke without even attempting to answer the OP's question?

You're a very confusing hobo, Jebus.

OP: I don't know about anyone else, but I bought the tiny plastic ships to have fun. So far, it's been working. I don't a feel a need to go on a crusade to convince people that the primary purpose of a game is to enjoy it with friends. Monopoly is broken as all higgilty, but it's still fun now and again. I have no interest in changing the minds of people who think a game's true value can only be it's utility as a competitive sport.

If it was a woman I would not have mentioned it, it was a child.

And I was talking about twister your the one making it sexual, get your mind out of the gutter.

This whole RPS & Meta Game discussion that has occurred in multiple (like about a thousand) threads really torques me off.

People make blatant statements that simply aren't true. The OP alludes to one of my favorites. People seem to believe and talk as if a Swarm build is the only one to ever beat a Han build, and a Han build is the only one to ever beat a Phantom build, and a Phantom build is the only one to ever beat a Swarm build.

I am so sick and tired of reading this stuff over and over and over again.

Try new things ... new combinations that seem ridiculous at first ... have fun ... and learn. I have beaten this supposedly unbeaten RPS situation many, many times with many different builds. Sometimes it is luck (good or bad with dice rolling), sometimes it is better flying, etc.

But it can be done. It has been done. Get over it.

/RANT

Bah!!

This whole RPS & Meta Game discussion that has occurred in multiple (like about a thousand) threads really torques me off.

People make blatant statements that simply aren't true. The OP alludes to one of my favorites. People seem to believe and talk as if a Swarm build is the only one to ever beat a Han build, and a Han build is the only one to ever beat a Phantom build, and a Phantom build is the only one to ever beat a Swarm build.

I am so sick and tired of reading this stuff over and over and over again.

Try new things ... new combinations that seem ridiculous at first ... have fun ... and learn. I have beaten this supposedly unbeaten RPS situation many, many times with many different builds. Sometimes it is luck (good or bad with dice rolling), sometimes it is better flying, etc.

But it can be done. It has been done. Get over it.

/RANT

As far as the original topic is concerned:

As far as rock paper scissors, I actually do agree it exists, but to a certain extent. It's not so final as that metaphor tends to suggest though. It's more like 'advantaged' matchups. Swarm definitely has an advantage over Han, and Han has an advantage over phantoms. But, these are not forgone conclusions. Things happen in game. Dice. Asteroids. And unexpected player decisions.

Just keep playing. If you feel you are always losing to the big builds, its because you are not good enough at the game in some form or another. Keep playing, learn from defeats, and modify your lists if required. Come on, widely reviled models like the Shuttle are apparently good enough to win big tournaments. Just get better at the game.

There's no balancing threesomes no matter which girl you start on the other gets a little upset, I find it best to let them get friendly first then join in.

So...you'll throw a thread off-topic by suggesting a reference picture of a fully-armoured woman supporting herself against a wall is overly sexualised, but also throw a different thread off-topic by making a crude sex joke without even attempting to answer the OP's question?

You're a very confusing hobo, Jebus.

OP: I don't know about anyone else, but I bought the tiny plastic ships to have fun. So far, it's been working. I don't a feel a need to go on a crusade to convince people that the primary purpose of a game is to enjoy it with friends. Monopoly is broken as all higgilty, but it's still fun now and again. I have no interest in changing the minds of people who think a game's true value can only be it's utility as a competitive sport.

If it was a woman I would not have mentioned it, it was a child.

And I was talking about twister your the one making it sexual, get your mind out of the gutter.

She's an adult in her culture, and in mine. Also, she's drawn as an adult, and voiced by an adult. I would also hasten to add that I don't consider children using walls for balance as a sexual thing - I assume it's a balance issue when I notice it at all.

Lastly, you obviously weren't talking about twister. Your start order in Twister is decided randomly, and your contact with other people is also randomised to some extent. Also, twister is not an exculsively 3 player game that requires one man and two women. Also, 3-player twister is known as "triplet play" within the competitive scene, not a "threesome". So I know you're a hack fraud.

No, there isn't any threesome. I've watched a double phantom list beat Fat Han and Fat Chewie lists many times. I've watched swarms annihilate phantoms. I've seen Falcons beat the osik out of swarms. This is not 40K. There are no threesomes. Oh, and another thing. This isn't 40K. Think outside the box. There is no OP'ed list.

Take the 40k mentality back to 40k please. Free your mind from the concept of "builds" and think outside the box. Didn't the US National champion use a Phantom, and Interceptor, and a shuttle and defeat a Falcon list? Was it a fluke?

I think people read the forums too much and read "this beats that" and run with it. All it takes is someone to come up with a list that beats at least two of the three and you break the cycle. The problem is that too many people buy into the discussion and run with hit. I think with the new stuff coming out you might see some variation.

I'm working on a list idea, but don't get as much time to try it out:

Etahn w/ PTL and R2

Ten Numb w/ VI

Wedge w/ R7-T1

One variation I'm looking at is swapping R7-T1 for VI and R3-A2. It ensures Wedge and Ten go before any Phantoms and it keeps Wedge alive a little longer.

I also haven't tried it on a YT-1300 list yet, either. Once you get past the shields, you should crit out the Falcons. I've not done it against Swarms, either, but I think it has a chance.

I would agree that your squad selection has major impact on your success at a tournament. I however think that any squad can win. X-Wing at its core is a dice game and dice can always have an impact on the outcome of any game they are in. Although, you can play to minimize the effect the dice have on a match. people tend to fall into the ruts of the path of people who have already won. This is true in any custom deck builder or army building game. Part of the challenge is to have a good view of everything that people tend to play. If the meta is shifted towards a certain build, it gives you a target to aim at. you don't have to take the knee jerk reaction list but rather find your own solution. The work that goes into predicting and solving a games meta state is difficult at times and can consume a lot of your play time.

By default the game will become more diverse over time. The introduction of new ships and upgrades will allow some ships to rise and other to fall in popularity. It really wasn't all that long ago that most people were up in arms over the ion turrets, Tie swarms, falcons, Tie Phantoms and now the Outrider. New ships are just around the corner

There's no balancing threesomes no matter which girl you start on the other gets a little upset, I find it best to let them get friendly first then join in.

So...you'll throw a thread off-topic by suggesting a reference picture of a fully-armoured woman supporting herself against a wall is overly sexualised, but also throw a different thread off-topic by making a crude sex joke without even attempting to answer the OP's question?

You're a very confusing hobo, Jebus.

OP: I don't know about anyone else, but I bought the tiny plastic ships to have fun. So far, it's been working. I don't a feel a need to go on a crusade to convince people that the primary purpose of a game is to enjoy it with friends. Monopoly is broken as all higgilty, but it's still fun now and again. I have no interest in changing the minds of people who think a game's true value can only be it's utility as a competitive sport.

If it was a woman I would not have mentioned it, it was a child.

And I was talking about twister your the one making it sexual, get your mind out of the gutter.

She's an adult in her culture, and in mine. Also, she's drawn as an adult, and voiced by an adult. I would also hasten to add that I don't consider children using walls for balance as a sexual thing - I assume it's a balance issue when I notice it at all.

Lastly, you obviously weren't talking about twister. Your start order in Twister is decided randomly, and your contact with other people is also randomised to some extent. Also, twister is not an exculsively 3 player game that requires one man and two women. Also, 3-player twister is known as "triplet play" within the competitive scene, not a "threesome". So I know you're a hack fraud.

I mentioned nothing other than three people doing an activity you made an assumption and launched into a personal attack.

Its not my fault your mind went straight to dirty things.

You should of asked admiral ackbar he'd of told you its a trap.

There's no balancing threesomes no matter which girl you start on the other gets a little upset, I find it best to let them get friendly first then join in.

So...you'll throw a thread off-topic by suggesting a reference picture of a fully-armoured woman supporting herself against a wall is overly sexualised, but also throw a different thread off-topic by making a crude sex joke without even attempting to answer the OP's question?

You're a very confusing hobo, Jebus.

OP: I don't know about anyone else, but I bought the tiny plastic ships to have fun. So far, it's been working. I don't a feel a need to go on a crusade to convince people that the primary purpose of a game is to enjoy it with friends. Monopoly is broken as all higgilty, but it's still fun now and again. I have no interest in changing the minds of people who think a game's true value can only be it's utility as a competitive sport.

If it was a woman I would not have mentioned it, it was a child.

And I was talking about twister your the one making it sexual, get your mind out of the gutter.

She's an adult in her culture, and in mine. Also, she's drawn as an adult, and voiced by an adult. I would also hasten to add that I don't consider children using walls for balance as a sexual thing - I assume it's a balance issue when I notice it at all.

Lastly, you obviously weren't talking about twister. Your start order in Twister is decided randomly, and your contact with other people is also randomised to some extent. Also, twister is not an exculsively 3 player game that requires one man and two women. Also, 3-player twister is known as "triplet play" within the competitive scene, not a "threesome". So I know you're a hack fraud.

I mentioned nothing other than three people doing an activity you made an assumption and launched into a personal attack.

Its not my fault your mind went straight to dirty things.

You should of asked admiral ackbar he'd of told you its a trap.

A river in Egypt.

There is no Rock/Paper/Scissors situation in this game. While some squads have advantages over others, it isn't nearly enough to be auto-win. Is there tough match ups, sure. But considering the Phantom and Interceptor beat out a Falcon, it isn't insurmountable.

The only really bad situation is if you have a HWK with Blaster Turret vs Dark Curse...

There's no balancing threesomes no matter which girl you start on the other gets a little upset, I find it best to let them get friendly first then join in.

So...you'll throw a thread off-topic by suggesting a reference picture of a fully-armoured woman supporting herself against a wall is overly sexualised, but also throw a different thread off-topic by making a crude sex joke without even attempting to answer the OP's question?

You're a very confusing hobo, Jebus.

OP: I don't know about anyone else, but I bought the tiny plastic ships to have fun. So far, it's been working. I don't a feel a need to go on a crusade to convince people that the primary purpose of a game is to enjoy it with friends. Monopoly is broken as all higgilty, but it's still fun now and again. I have no interest in changing the minds of people who think a game's true value can only be it's utility as a competitive sport.

If it was a woman I would not have mentioned it, it was a child.

And I was talking about twister your the one making it sexual, get your mind out of the gutter.

She's an adult in her culture, and in mine. Also, she's drawn as an adult, and voiced by an adult. I would also hasten to add that I don't consider children using walls for balance as a sexual thing - I assume it's a balance issue when I notice it at all.

Lastly, you obviously weren't talking about twister. Your start order in Twister is decided randomly, and your contact with other people is also randomised to some extent. Also, twister is not an exculsively 3 player game that requires one man and two women. Also, 3-player twister is known as "triplet play" within the competitive scene, not a "threesome". So I know you're a hack fraud.

I mentioned nothing other than three people doing an activity you made an assumption and launched into a personal attack.

Its not my fault your mind went straight to dirty things.

You should of asked admiral ackbar he'd of told you its a trap.

A river in Egypt.

the Alexandria-Cairo Waterway?

The game is fine.

This whole RPS & Meta Game discussion that has occurred in multiple (like about a thousand) threads really torques me off.

People make blatant statements that simply aren't true. The OP alludes to one of my favorites. People seem to believe and talk as if a Swarm build is the only one to ever beat a Han build, and a Han build is the only one to ever beat a Phantom build, and a Phantom build is the only one to ever beat a Swarm build.

I am so sick and tired of reading this stuff over and over and over again.

Try new things ... new combinations that seem ridiculous at first ... have fun ... and learn. I have beaten this supposedly unbeaten RPS situation many, many times with many different builds. Sometimes it is luck (good or bad with dice rolling), sometimes it is better flying, etc.

But it can be done. It has been done. Get over it.

/RANT

A fellow player from league has said that the game meta has shifted into more of a RPS state where having the right build is now more important then having the right plays in game.

40K mentality (such a statement is all too often true there), and forum hysteria.

The game's fine.

I am bringing this up because it seems like that's the state the game is in.

Because you were told that, and most people when told this immediately jump to play the "broken" build, leading to an explosion in numbers. That's the problem, cries of OP are self-fulfilling prophecies.

Wad? I thought we were talking about threesomes.

Two players at 50 or 100 pts vs One at 100 or 200 pts is more ideal.

I don't know if its better to have the more skilled palyer be the One or be one of the Two. I tried the One, seems like being a Two is more balanced.

Wad? I thought we were talking about threesomes.

Two players at 50 or 100 pts vs One at 100 or 200 pts is more ideal.

I don't know if its better to have the more skilled palyer be the One or be one of the Two. I tried the One, seems like being a Two is more balanced.

Thanks for the comments to point otherwise. Still with Scum & Villainy do you think there's a risk of it being weaker to one faction while stronger than the other creating that RPS build strategy or not?