Burned out? Nooooope.

With each new release the games Meta (by "Meta" I assume you are using it to mean the current great Net-list) gets rebooted and that forces you to adapt to what your opponents are bringing.

My local group is constantly evolving with what is brought to the table and we rarely see any stagnation in the possible lists we face. And that is a good thing.

The game keeps getting better with new release and I hope that it keeps on coming.

(Maaaaybe just a wee bit slower pace though... My wallet has threatened to take out a restraining order)

I'm not burned out. I'm just really busy at the moment, traveling and away from my minis or an opportunity to play. That's why I've been pretty tepid in posting. I should be back and at it again next week (I hope).

Regarding the meta and its alleged smashedness, I think it helps for you to define your terms. If you say it's both good and bad, then it strikes me that you're probably ambivalent about it, but nevertheless willing to call being-in-denial someone who disagrees with you. Have a little more charity and doubt your own infallibility for a moment, my friend.

From my corner, the meta might even be solidified by the upcoming wave (wave 5), with the Decimator becoming the Empire's Fat Han, and a Fat Dash also being a likely expansion of the current turrets vs Phantoms (vs swarms) meta. Would I like it if there were lizards and Spocks to add to the rocks, papers, and scissors? Yes, absolutely! Maybe Scum will give us this. But from my perspective the meta is quite strong and not changing its paradigm just yet.

Burned out? Nooooope.

With each new release the games Meta (by "Meta" I assume you are using it to mean the current great Net-list) gets rebooted and that forces you to adapt to what your opponents are bringing.

My local group is constantly evolving with what is brought to the table and we rarely see any stagnation in the possible lists we face. And that is a good thing.

The game keeps getting better with new release and I hope that it keeps on coming.

(Maaaaybe just a wee bit slower pace though... My wallet has threatened to take out a restraining order)

Slower? wizkidz has monthly releases as do gw the pace ffg releases stuff is pretty slow.

I guess I should say the meta has been taken apart like Lego bricks and is slowly being rebuilt into something completely different.

And why is that a bad thing? That's called progress.

I guess I should say the meta has been taken apart like Lego bricks and is slowly being rebuilt into something completely different.

And why is that a bad thing? That's called progress.

Better change than the stagnation 40k suffers.

I guess I should say the meta has been taken apart like Lego bricks and is slowly being rebuilt into something completely different.

Okay, that's a colorful analogy, but I'm not sure what you really mean by it. Can you please expand and offer concrete examples, rather than just a blanket statement.

I guess I should say the meta has been taken apart like Lego bricks and is slowly being rebuilt into something completely different.

With the speed of recent releases, I don't really see the meta stabilizing for as long as it had in the past.

MJ either wasn't limiting entirely on the North American Championship at GenCon, which is what the designers were referring to, or the designers flat out lied, which I highly doubt.

Oh yes the stats from MJ are wider, but then again, taking one tournament as your sample for diversity is already quite limiting on itself.

Right, normally small sample sizes (one?!) are a fallacy, but this is the 2014 North American Championship. It represents the best players from thousands of other regional and local tournaments.

Okay, that's a colorful analogy, but I'm not sure what you really mean by it. Can you please expand and offer concrete examples, rather than just a blanket statement.

There are some concepts that are better described with colorful analogies.

I am not obligated to offer you any sort of concrete examples. Just try and think outside the box a bit.

No, you're not obliged to answer anything. But you're the OP trying to have debate. If you're not interested in feedback on your ideas, why post?

Also, wherefore the hostility?

The third faction burned me out a bit. I'm very excited about Rebel Aces, and I might get wave 5, but I won't buy much after that. I would buy repaints, an assault gunboat, or imperial huge ships. Other than that I think my collection is complete!

I do hope they continue to do repaints, as it seems to be the only way to get new pilots for existing ships...

I think I'll wait until Wave 6 hits the shelves before attempting X-wing seriously. There is so much content being released I want to wait until the dust settles a bit. The meta has been completely smashed (which is good and bad).

The options after Wave 6 will be staggering.

No, you're not obliged to answer anything. But you're the OP trying to have debate. If you're not interested in feedback on your ideas, why post?

Also, wherefore the hostility?

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Well, you're asking us if we're burned out, and telling us that the meta is a smashed lego set. I'm fully willing to think about what you mean, but I'm having trouble grasping your meaning. I'm also quite capable of thinking outside of my own box, but your box is eluding me.

Your reply to my request for clarification is met by some sort of appeal to the 5th amendment. That seemed a bit hostile.

Look, maybe you felt that my interrogations were hostile on my part. If so, I'm sorry. I might have been more diplomatic, but I'm not trying to be hostile. I'm just trying to understand what you mean.

Not so much.

Edit: Can you just describe in plain English, without analogy, what exactly is bothering you about the current meta? This is too cryptic.

Not so much.Edit: Can you just describe in plain English, without analogy, what exactly is bothering you about the current meta? This is too cryptic.

There is no current meta.

That's not very helpful. That's not describing, that's stating. (And I'd argue there's always a meta; there's always common strategic themes, and there are now, but that detracts from trying to get at your point.)

Do you want to be understood?

Weren't you bumping Ribann's posts in a suspicious way ?

Even if (and I will try and follow the Lego analogy) the original set has been dismantled, and we are trying to build something new out of it, (which means there is no Meta?) is that a bad thing?

If everyone has the same set of Legos, and each person has it built in the same way according to the instructions, (net-listing) does that not lead to stagnation and very boring gameplay?

Heck, since we are using the Lego analogy, the plot of the Lego Movie is pretty relevant.

The current "Meta," and arguably the Meta of the future, will favor less the "Construction Worker" and more the "Master Builder."

How's that for cryptic?

"Everything is awesome!"

That's not very helpful. That's not describing, that's stating. (And I'd argue there's always a meta; there's always common strategic themes, and there are now, but that detracts from trying to get at your point.)

Why do you need a description of what I'm saying? What exactly is it that you're having trouble understanding?

And why does it matter so much that I explain myself to you?

catachan23 has it right.

I think that's because we have a different notion of what 'the meta' is. Also, to stick with your analogy, it seems you're with 'President Business', whereas the rest of us are 'Builders', and the meta as we know it, is made up of 'mixed-and-matched' builds. The thing is, this is not by a lack of design from the designers. They know that we're going to mix and match.

Anyhow, right now some of the most popular builds - and this is fairly stable right now - are named Phantoms with Veteran Instincts as well as a Han or Chewbacca with C-3PO. Veteran Instincts does not come from the Phantom expansion, nor does C-3PO come from the Millennium Falcon expansion.

So, the reason why you're getting push-back and/or befuddlement from us is because you're using the phrase 'meta' differently than we are.

Weren't you bumping Ribann's posts in a suspicious way ?

I don't even know who that is tbh.

Ribann is a fellow who has a tendency to post controversial threads and then become sensitive about how people respond to his threads. That seems similar to what is going on here. A more suspicious person than I (DreadStar) might come to the conclusion that you are one and the same.

I'm not burned out, not by a long shot.

I'm on a continuous mission to break the meta, never settling on any single build, but continuously exploring instead. Whenever someone says "this cannot work" I make it my mission to see if I "can" make it work. Sometimes I succeed, other times I fail, but I'm having fun either way

I'm not burned out, not by a long shot.

I'm on a continuous mission to break the meta, never settling on any single build, but continuously exploring instead. Whenever someone says "this cannot work" I make it my mission to see if I "can" make it work. Sometimes I succeed, other times I fail, but I'm having fun either way

Yes, excellent! Be a builder! Don't be President Business.

Bad for your wallet.

You accepted your wallet would become empty when you bought that core set.

You accepted your wallet would become empty when you bought that core set.

...or three...and wave after wave of expansions...and the Aces packs...and huge ships... and a new faction...

I played with my Tantive IV last night and it reminded me of my wallet - Spending all kinds of "Energy" shooting and performing actions, yet it always feels like there is never enough "Energy" going back in.

My wallet cannot repel releases of that magnitude!

This whole thread makes me glad me the guys I play with care fark all about this "meta" you all speak of.

Everything is fun.

That's not very helpful. That's not describing, that's stating. (And I'd argue there's always a meta; there's always common strategic themes, and there are now, but that detracts from trying to get at your point.)

Why do you need a description of what I'm saying? What exactly is it that you're having trouble understanding?

And why does it matter so much that I explain myself to you?

Because you started a thread, but yet are largely unwilling to take part in a fair discussion. If you start a thread you should have that courtesy at least.

This while thread makes me and the guys I play with care fark all about this "meta" you all speak of.

Everything is fun.

And if you don't play with a wide set of people, then the only meta you would concern yourself with is that of your own group.