Alternative to Push the Limit

By random.brown, in X-Wing

One thing I find frustrating is seeing Push the Limit in many lists for Empire.

I don't have any A-Wings (none to be had even if I wanted one), and I already own two Tie/Interceptors, so I don't want to pay $30 for Imperial aces, all for one tiny card!

Any suggestions for a suitable alternative to PTL in Imperial lists?

Predator is always active and doesn't take an action, so it is kind of like gaining a target lock, though it doesn't help you defensively for turtling or arc dodging.

If you are playing at home/with friends you can probably just proxy the PtL cards you need, and it wouldn't be a problem unless you were going to tournaments.

Daredevil can help interceptors. It's not as flexible as PTL, but still gives Fel in particular a lot of strong options.

I love Predator on Turr or the Sabre Squadron Pilot, although I don't know if you have it either. VI is also quite useful; acting last helps you arc dodge.

You can also just proxy it for home games.

Predator, but it only comes with Tie Defender.

Imperial Aces comes with two PtL cards, and four Interceptors can be fun.

Last good choice would be Outmaneuver.

Great suggestions, thanks!

Imperial Aces are more then PTL. Great pilots, and upgrades are including in the set.

Actually I have 2 Imperial Aces and just 1 Tie Interceptor exp. just because of Soontir.

Royal Guards, Kir Kanos, Carnor Jax. Targeting computer, often used with Soontir, Hull Up x2., Shield Up.x2 , PTL and of course the main one ROYAL GUARD TITLE!

So, I think the best alternative will be to actually buy one Imperial Aces. ;)

If you buy Aces as they suggest, you should get it for $20 on one of the many secondary websites.

Daredevil can help interceptors. It's not as flexible as PTL, but still gives Fel in particular a lot of strong options.

I love Predator on Turr or the Sabre Squadron Pilot, although I don't know if you have it either. VI is also quite useful; acting last helps you arc dodge.

You can also just proxy it for home games.

Does daredevil give another action? So an int with Daredevil could barrel roll with his action, then use DD for a hard 1?

No, daredevil costs an action.

You need PTL! Until you have played Soontir with PTL you have not beheld the glory of the empire! He is easily the best seat of your pants glass cannon in the game. I have had games where Soontir never gets shot at becaus he is either so annoying to even attempt a shot against with and evade and two focus or because he is arc dodging like a maniac.

I don't have any A-Wings (none to be had even if I wanted one), and I already own two Tie/Interceptors, so I don't want to pay $30 for Imperial aces, all for one tiny card!

Technically, its two PTL's. :)

PTL is the best card for Soontir Fel due to his ability. He needs stress tokens for it to work, and PTL gives him a stress (good for a free focus) on top of a second action. With the terrific green maneuvers of the Interceptor, he rarely has problems clearing stress.

Like everyone has said, it's worth it for a box of Imperial Aces. You get two PTLs, a slew of alternate pilots (including Carnor Jax and the Royal Guard TIE generic), two Hull Upgrade mods, and two of the Royal Guard TIE title that grants a second mod slot.

A "suitable alternative" really depends on what you are wanting to put it on. On Interceptors you're going to want PtL most of the time simply because of its versatility. After that you may look at Predator and Outmaneuver but there may not be a lot after that. With other Imperial ships you can run a full range of options from Draw Their Fire on a Black Squadron Pilot to VI on the named Phantoms and possibly even some Interceptors.

As for acquiring PtL Imperial Aces is almost certainly the way to go. Yes, it has a couple amazing looking Interceptors in it but it also has a host of upgrades cards that you might find yourself using any number of places. PtL and Hull Upgrades can be great and even Shield UPgrades can be nice. The Royal Guard title really lets you customize those Interceptor aces with modifications.

Imperial Aces is worth it for more than the ships. The 2 Royal Guard Pilots are awesome (22 points for ps6 and an EPT), the 2 Royal Guard title lets you put 2 different mods on a ps5+ Int (ptl, shield, and hull is crazy on a RGP), targeting computer is a perfect fit for ptl Fel. If you really like interceptors its a must buy in my opinion.

One thing I find frustrating is seeing Push the Limit in many lists for Empire.

I don't have any A-Wings (none to be had even if I wanted one), and I already own two Tie/Interceptors, so I don't want to pay $30 for Imperial aces, all for one tiny card!

Any suggestions for a suitable alternative to PTL in Imperial lists?

Really PTL is more or less the bees knees for Imperial. Focus/evade or boost/barrel roll is too strong. Get the imperial Aces pack and enjoy royal guard pilot, and royal guard title.

Edited by Kelvan

I will have to agree with others. Imperial Aces is one of my favorite FFG releases. I'm working on getting a couple more of them.

The Imperial Guard Ties are really cool to play and look at.

Lone Wolf is going to be great with Interceptors when it releases (too bad it's only in the -2400 for now.). Elusiveness is another decent one, Expert Handling can be really useful when flying against Rebels or ordinance lists, Swarm Tactics would be pretty useful on Fel, bumping your other Squint to PS for combat. A group of Squints all with Wingman from the Z-95 pack is one I've considered running, just haven't had a chance to yet. Outmaneuver, Predator, and Opportunist are also good choices.

I already own two Tie/Interceptors, so I don't want to pay $30 for Imperial aces, all for one tiny card!

And four more unique TIE interceptor pilots, the best generic interceptor pilot in the game, two more TIE interceptor minis, a couple of shield upgrades, hull upgrades and the Royal Guard Pilot title card.

+1 for proxy

-Cal

Edited by Caliber42

Saw someone selling individual upgrade cards on ebay.

Can see if you can get your hands on one.

Think it was only couple bucks

The Royal Guard Pilot from Aces is probably my second favorite Interceptor pilot. PS6 with an EPT makes it tremendously elusive and it shoots before a host of other ships.

Well, I proxied 4x Ints with 2 PTL, and I'm sold.

My son couldnt get a handle on my in-close hard 2, boost, and barrel roll to re-engage outside of his firing arcs.

A quick trip to the comic shop here in N Denver and I have the Imp Aces set.

I hope FFG realizes how much marketing value these boards have!

Thanks for the advice, everyone!

Lone Wolf is going to be great with Interceptors when it releases (too bad it's only in the -2400 for now.).

Lone wolf is a unique talent, so you will only ever need one single card.

Soon, the upcoming "Experimental Interface" will add another layer of complexity to the game, by increasing the overall usefulness of all "Action upgrades".

Interceptors benefit especially from it, as they are the only ships that can equip 2 modifications. And since it also give stress, it has the potential of breaking free Soontir Fel from PTL's chains.

Lone Wolf is going to be great with Interceptors when it releases (too bad it's only in the -2400 for now.).

Lone wolf is a unique talent, so you will only ever need one single card.

Soon, the upcoming "Experimental Interface" will add another layer of complexity to the game, by increasing the overall usefulness of all "Action upgrades".

Interceptors benefit especially from it, as they are the only ships that can equip 2 modifications. And since it also give stress, it has the potential of breaking free Soontir Fel from PTL's chains.

Lone Wolf is going to be great with Interceptors when it releases (too bad it's only in the -2400 for now.).

Lone wolf is a unique talent, so you will only ever need one single card.

Soon, the upcoming "Experimental Interface" will add another layer of complexity to the game, by increasing the overall usefulness of all "Action upgrades".

Interceptors benefit especially from it, as they are the only ships that can equip 2 modifications. And since it also give stress, it has the potential of breaking free Soontir Fel from PTL's chains.

I think PTL will still be superior for Fel, because the combination of Boost/Barrel Roll is so strong. There aren't any action EPTs that compare to that basic arc-dodge combo.

Ptl still stronger on a ship like the interceptor and it's action bar.